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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:59:00 - [61]
 

May we all live in interesting times.

Henricus Gaufridus
Amarr
Angry Spaceships
Posted - 2009.02.05 17:10:00 - [62]
 

BoB was, at one point, viewed as an unstoppable juggernaut that would simply grow until it enveloped all of 0.0 space. I remember the rumors circulating about the reasons for BoB's seemingly unstoppable growth.

Eve is wonderful in that nothing is truly unstoppable. Something unexpected can always take you down. Alliances are born and die. Huge, powerful, long-established alliances collapse often. Love Goons or hate them, what they did was legitimate (it wasn't "nice") and the universe won't stop functioning because of it.

Originally by: Kiyamoh
Love BOB or hate BOB. It doesn't really matter. I just hope we won't be looking back fondly in the near future thinking "BOB's downfall was the end of Eve".

P.S. Good news for CCP is that they don't have to reenforce their nodes anymore. I suspect there's not gonna be any epic fights coz there's now an all-powerful Goonswarm.

Gamer4liff
Caldari
Metalworks
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2009.02.05 17:15:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: nether void
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
There is a large cultural victory here.

And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.

And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.


One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture.


The point though is that he preferred the friendship of goonswarm members more than that of his own alliance. That was the driving force behind his decision, to my knowledge.

Feral Lady
Team America World P0lice
Posted - 2009.02.05 17:20:00 - [64]
 

In the larger sense, CCP are careless game designers for constructing an interface that lets this happen. No vote, no cooling off period, nothing. Pathetic


nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.02.05 17:21:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Gamer4liff
Originally by: nether void
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
There is a large cultural victory here.

And then a bunch of smaller lesser victories.

And then the opposite of a victory that is this thread.


One guy switching sides is not a cultural victory. One man does not make a culture.


The point though is that he preferred the friendship of goonswarm members more than that of his own alliance. That was the driving force behind his decision, to my knowledge.


When you backstab your old friends, and your new friends are ok with that, are they really your friends? Kind of like when a chick cheats on her current dude to be with you and then leaves him for you. Don't you think she'll be cheating on you soon enough?

Gina Torres
Posted - 2009.02.05 17:49:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Gina Torres on 05/02/2009 17:49:46
Originally by: Kiyamoh


Doesn't this bother anybody? And when the same thing happens to Goons, then what? Who will be the hero and who will be the villain then?




tl;dr anything else here.

But, to this point, Goons pretty much require your Social Security Number before you are ever put into a position of power like that. BoB got sloppy, lazy, and didn't take care of their own. The alliance was a mess and it was only a matter of time anyway.

Strel Samodelkin
Caldari Nationalist Party
Posted - 2009.02.05 17:57:00 - [67]
 

Sounds to me like they had it coming, with the whole BPO scandal and being granted support from a former employee of CCP to give them an unfair advantage. This will be celebrated by the majority of Eve players.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.02.05 19:20:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Brodde Dim
This drama is no reason to quit.

The goal for goons in eve, is to make people quit. (Same goes for every other game where they have any organized activity).

Since eve is pretty harsh compared to other online games, the people who enjoy it are not so easily discouraged by griefers. There will be tears, a couple of rage quits, but this is every day life in eve.

This has made it really hard for goons to achieve anything.

Its not that they havent tried, it just hasnt resulted in anything particular.
  • They have tried to dominate 0.0 by zerg tactics and superior numbers, and failed badly every time.

  • They openly try to scam/rob/grief everyone, supporter or not. But this is how eve works, and nobody cares. No matter how hard they try, its not getting them the attention they seek.

  • They have tried ganking miners in high sec, with very little result, except for an increased awareness of the lack of security in high sec, and a small boost to the geddon and hulk markets.

  • They have tried every meta gaming tactic possible, including attacking CCP, eve-online forums, other corps and alliances sites and forums, etc. This has had mixed results. Giving them some sympathy in a few cases, and losing it in others. Mostly it is just ignored or forgotten very soon.

  • Every kind of exploitable bug/game mechanic has been used thorougly offcourse. Often for a long while before it becomes general knowledge and gets fixed.

  • They even tried evolving the alliance, and becoming serious, playing the game. Even trying to deny the heritage from SA and their intentions to ruin the game. This has lead them to become boring, and stale. Rumour is many goons got bored and moved to other games instead for a while.

  • This list could use a couple of posts on its own.

  • The only thing they really have achieved is setting the standard for the CAOD forum.


Offcourse they will take the credit for when a BoB director decides to make a dramatic exit from the alliance. There is a lot of attention to get here. Even if goons didnt take part in it, they are sworn enemies of BoB, (who crushed them atleast once). And connecting the corp theft to goons did offcourse increase the drama.

In the end I dont think this will matter much either. Goons are still no threat to eve. BoB will have a tough time setting everything up again, with the amount of logistics and administraion involved. And they will have to fight off real threats like PL, TCF etc. who will with no doubt use this opportunity. Stirring things up a bit in sov. 0.0 is a good thing. It has been stale for a while.

Maybe this will lead CCP to rework how corps/alliances are administrated. Maybe introducing optional safety, making it less easy for 1 character to do this kind of damage. Maybe requiring a board of directors input, some kind of vote, or even a predefined policy for the alliance/corp. on how to handle huge changes. Maybe nothing will change.

TL;DR: Goons wants you (and everyone else) to quit, this thread is goon ****ography. Goons achieve nothing, but are quick to take credit. This drama is sweet attention.

I hope I dont upset any low level goons who havent been introduced to the goon agenda.


Just quoting this because i might have posted something similar.

Cereah
Posted - 2009.02.05 20:03:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Rastigan
they've reaped what they've sowed.


And to the guy making the MacDonalds vs. Burger King reference.... This would be like some director on the board on either company disbanding the company without a shareholders vote/approval from the board and then claiming the brands for himself.


Given the power to do so, it would happen. Thats the point. I Cant just up and disband my whole alliance, I DONT HAVE THE POWER TO DO IT. You have to be appointed, promoted whatever to get to the point where you can do something such as that. You dont just get invited to a corp, be made grand poohba of alliance decisions and thats it. This is not real life so real life comparisons, especially one of senators of the USA. In this game, to get promoted to something you have, or at least SHOULD, trust the person you are giving the power to. If you dont trust them, or dont really know them then who's the stupid one. Quit saying its a screwed up game mechanic, its a screwed up person's mechanics. Consider it stealing, whatever. Its the person, not the game.

Benny Broadband
Benny and the Jets
Posted - 2009.02.05 20:11:00 - [70]
 

Whats the point of playing the game, that was the question right.

I play because my girlfriend ran of with my best friend and she also took the dog.....but now she has come back, well sort of, she comes over 3 times a week for an hour or 2 and has some fun, and she brings cakes and cookies and stuff, and it kinda interferes with my game play a bit and then yesterday when she was here and I was afk one of the directors in my alliance made some changes and then ............ wait, what was the question again....

mcnuggetlol
Amarr
Via Crucis Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.05 20:11:00 - [71]
 

wah wah ****ing wah don't come back

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.05 20:38:00 - [72]
 

For a game that claims to be as hardcore as it gets, featuring no-holds barred piracy and intrigue, there could not be a better way to advertize that fact than what just happened in the EVE community.

The vultures are feeding on the corpse as we speak. For the first time since I began playing EvE I wanted to get involved in nullsec activities today.

Pater Peccavi
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:04:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Whats the point in anything!

*kills self*



*silently takes Rhatar's stuffz*YARRRR!!


Oh god, how this made me laugh! Way too much seriousness abounding online today.

That said, the first time I ever heard about EVE was in a PC Gamer article detailing the GHSC assassination of some corp. Granted, that was lots of man hours destroyed by lots of man hours (although still not equivalent man hours), whereas this was lots of game hours destroyed by ****ing off the wrong person. Yes, mechanics could be changed to prevent this, but while the mechanic existed, I would avoid giving anyone that much power, and if you do give someone that much power, send them cookies or something every once in a while to keep their morale up. Otherwise, you're risking a lot, and risk in EVE is generally associated with huge losses (something that's always been true).

Then again, I'm a noob, and a nobody. Maybe I'm wrong in assuming that risk management is part of EVE.

Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:13:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Kiyamoh
So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore?


Becoz we alle liek to take sutuff? SurprisedYARRRR!!

Lochmar Fiendhiem
Caldari
International Multi-Player Consortium
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:13:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Lazuran
Originally by: Rotnac

Got to agree. Not that we haven't been douches on occasion. But BoB got so hurf blurf serious that they would exploit every minor issue with every game mechanic to get a leg up. We just happened to essentially beat them at their own game this once. So, ha. And the land grab coming up will be hella exciting.


EVE online, a game about metagaming and patting yourself on the back on the forums.





Eve online, a game about having your own tricks used against you and then crying on the forums with alts about it.

NOM NOM NOM NOM your tears are so sweet.

Crackuji
Gallente
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:20:00 - [76]
 

SINCE YOU'VE BEEN GONE! SINCE YOU'VE BEEN GONE, OUT OF MY HEAD CAN'T TAKE IT

Sirez Cartwright
Caldari
Kuat Drive Yard
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:29:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Sirez Cartwright on 05/02/2009 21:31:28
Originally by: Cereah
You get hired by McDonalds. (bout the most you can handle I know)
They say you cant work for anymore fast food joints because thats a conflict of interest. You will tell them our secrets!!!!
You go ahead and fill in your part time hours with more part time at burger king. OMG burger king now has mcdonalds secrets.

Put that up to management. Or even corporation level (ie EVE). Vice President in charge of nuggets sells out to BK. Gives up the secret sauce recipe because he's best friends with the sauce guy, helps make it secret sometimes too.

THAT is a more real world example than congress disbanding apart LOL


Please do us a favor and never, ever attempt to make real world comparisons again. I just about broke my desk from the sheer amount of times I slammed my forehead into it from that atrocious attempt at making a point.

Not saying comparing BoB to the United States of America is much better, but... just wow.

Kids, it could happen to anyone, corporate espionage happens. Give enough power to a single person, and who knows what the hell could happen. There's no such thing as completely safe.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:33:00 - [78]
 

Point of playing the game?

This makes me want to come back.

EVE doesn't need an expansion to show that it is alive and kicking.


As for broken administrative procedures, if they really are broken they will be fixed due to this huge event. You know, like how these things get fixed in real life.

ddr800
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:33:00 - [79]
 

So basically They destroyed BOB and in thier little foresight and for-planning have destroyed the goons too.

The goons will never hold together with out bob to make enemies friends.
The only thing that has held the goons together for so long a simple motto
ďAn enemy of my enemy is a friendĒÖ

I guess thatís out the window now and exactly what will you do begin to squabble amongst yourselves. I donít see the goons holding it together for 6 months with out bob to keep them in a pact of hatred.

I tell you this though i am wearing a Kevlar poncho to the next fan fair...LoL if I was ccp I would invest in those expensive airport grade metal detectors and some riot gear....ya know tear gas and few stun guns....

I am going to laugh my ass off as the goons fall apart because of this

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:52:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: DrAtomic
This would be like some director on the board on either company disbanding the company without a shareholders vote/approval from the board and then claiming the brands for himself.


Do i smell a change to make shares actually useful?

Big changes need shareholder approval. 75% minimum.

nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.02.05 21:57:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: ddr800
So basically They destroyed BOB and in thier little foresight and for-planning have destroyed the goons too.

The goons will never hold together with out bob to make enemies friends.
The only thing that has held the goons together for so long a simple motto
ďAn enemy of my enemy is a friendĒÖ

I guess thatís out the window now and exactly what will you do begin to squabble amongst yourselves. I donít see the goons holding it together for 6 months with out bob to keep them in a pact of hatred.

I tell you this though i am wearing a Kevlar poncho to the next fan fair...LoL if I was ccp I would invest in those expensive airport grade metal detectors and some riot gear....ya know tear gas and few stun guns....

I am going to laugh my ass off as the goons fall apart because of this



Actually this is a very interesting point, if taken differently. Back when I used to play turn based strat games, one of the tactics I used was to eat one of the allies when we all SHOULD have been eating the planned prey. This way there was one less ally to deal with after the war was over.

Maybe TCF should just kill Goons while they all go play in Delve. lol That's what I would probably do. Attack when it's least expected.

Red Desire
Republic Military School
Posted - 2009.02.05 22:35:00 - [82]
 

Guys, stop being stupid please.
Read the thread and check the audio file , ffs " he doesn't have a mic" repeated several times.
Nobody got a hold of the spy ... the "disgruntled" director,who mysteriously returned to the game and got the forum passwords by bypasing the voice security{no mic of course}.
And above all he should be in the army training ... not horsing around with his alliance.


In my mind, I'm almost sure it's an identity theft, who know what simple user/pass he used.
And yea, you are all puppets controlled by a pathetic and hardly inventive puppeteer.
Give it a few days, the truth will be reveal ... and surely we will get a nicely made braging post, from the "mastermind".

And this day will be remembered, not as the slightly abused little minds screamed with endless manga tears jumping from their eyes : "we won Eve, we won Eve".
But as "the day they thought again that they won Eve" "but failed again"

ShardowRhino
Caldari
Torque Theory
Posted - 2009.02.05 23:37:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Pater Peccavi
Originally by: ShardowRhino
Originally by: Rhatar Khurin
Whats the point in anything!

*kills self*



*silently takes Rhatar's stuffz*YARRRR!!


Oh god, how this made me laugh! Way too much seriousness abounding online today.



I appreciate you recognizing my genius. by the way, would you like to buy a corpse?YARRRR!!

Fortune Foru
Posted - 2009.02.06 00:28:00 - [84]
 

This is the best thing to happen to this game. It proves to all the new players that anything can happen.

So they disbanded. big deal. They will be back in another name and be just as interesting.

I wish all the former BOB guys all the best but know they dont need it.

They werent BOB because of luck, remember that.

Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2009.02.06 00:51:00 - [85]
 

You bastard, you just made me lose the game!Mad

EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
Posted - 2009.02.06 00:56:00 - [86]
 

The point of playing the game is playing the game.

Rz JACKANAPES
Posted - 2009.02.06 00:59:00 - [87]
 

this poem sums up this up.

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

all alliances/empires will eventually fall/split if the power of decision to betray any alliance is in the hands of 1 man. time to fix this ccp only a board of directors vote should only be allowed to end an alliance.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2009.02.06 01:03:00 - [88]
 

Betrayal is a legitimate deciding factor of war.


As are many other tactics... if they work you win.


End game....




BTW what is left of BOB will survive. Check the maps its already starting Wink

Mordrake
Freelance Economics Astrological resources
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2009.02.06 01:07:00 - [89]
 


Erica 'cowpig'Lafehr
Gallente
Posted - 2009.02.06 01:17:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Kiyamoh
So BOB got rolled over by a director. And Goons is patting themselves on their back for a job well done. Is it really? Did they destroy BOB through tactics? strategy? straight up fighting? No. It was one BOB director who "jumped the fence" and destroyed an alliance.

Doesn't this bother anybody? And when the same thing happens to Goons, then what? Who will be the hero and who will be the villain then?

There was no victory here today. Just some player who will remain infamous for being a turncoat in a GAME. So he destroyed BOB (not goons). Big deal. Coz if there's no BOB to hate, who are you gonna fight next? I suppose Goons is the new villain in the game? And how will you feel WHEN it happens to you. After all, if it happened to BOB, it can happen to you as well. Turncoats are aplenty in this game which has no mechanics whatsoever to prevent such things from happening. Also, is this victory really all that pleasing? You go to sleep one night, wake up the next day, and your enemy ceases to exist... all because a thief stole everything and gave it to you.

I have read in numerous places in the forum of how much BOB players hate Goons and vice versa. I always thought that there was at least a measure of mutual respect between the parties recognising each other as a force to be reckoned with. But it would seem, this isn't the case. So much for the "gf" messages in local after a fight. Forget about all these false messages of respect. Maybe "stfu" after each fight is a more true expression after each fight, eh? Be honest :)

I could not help but smile whenever I pass a Goon pilot shouting "we won eve! we won eve!". Think about this: you won eve? good for you. And since you won eve, there's really nothing to play in eve anymore, is there? I mean, since you won, the game is over, rite?

So I now ask myself yet again... why play this game anymore? For small peeps like me who enjoy playing the game as a game, all this real-life political espionage and server hacking and such is really sad. Most people play this game to get away from all that real-world nonsense.

The fault really lies with CCP who has not done anything to put a stop to all this nonsense. Why should they? Drama draws more players... until people start leaving because of all the drama. A great game is headed out the window. A very unfortunate ending.

Love BOB or hate BOB. It doesn't really matter. I just hope we won't be looking back fondly in the near future thinking "BOB's downfall was the end of Eve".

P.S. Good news for CCP is that they don't have to reenforce their nodes anymore. I suspect there's not gonna be any epic fights coz there's now an all-powerful Goonswarm.


Oh please. The downfall of Eve over the downfall of BoB? Hmm, on second thought, you may have a tiny point. It seems the tech 2 market flourished from the exploit of moon mineral mining that BoB had access to so yeah, maybe they are all 'that' to the game. Where were you about that fiasco? If you ask me BoB had it coming. At least there is some retribution being paid back to the cheaters of the game.

Can I have your stuff?


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