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Clairvaux
Caldari
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2009.02.05 10:25:00 - [1]
 

I know you're tempted.

Kami Rikiushi
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.05 10:26:00 - [2]
 

Yes ccp, if you do that, then just switch the whole 0.0 sov to bob, get it over with and stuff

Sawk Backer
Caldari
Kinakka Innovations
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:05:00 - [3]
 

it wouldn't surprise me if ccp would help the bobs again.

Jovoich
Gallente
Trans-Solar Works
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:07:00 - [4]
 

I wouldn't want them to help bob. But other than goons, does any one else want goonswarm to be a major 0.0 player without anyone to counter them?

Kami Rikiushi
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:19:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Jovoich
I wouldn't want them to help bob. But other than goons, does any one else want goonswarm to be a major 0.0 player without anyone to counter them?


Uhm have you checked the sov map lately, they already have a hard time holding their own space atm, every entity in eve can be countered, some just need to have some stuff used against them that they did to all their enemies :P

KarI Agathon
Minmatar
The Executives
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:22:00 - [6]
 

I, too, fail to understand game mechanics

Reverand Pastor
Caldari
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:23:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Kami Rikiushi
Originally by: Jovoich
I wouldn't want them to help bob. But other than goons, does any one else want goonswarm to be a major 0.0 player without anyone to counter them?


Uhm have you checked the sov map lately, they already have a hard time holding their own space atm, every entity in eve can be countered, some just need to have some stuff used against them that they did to all their enemies :P


Agreed. Human nature is to fight. Then when thats solved find something else to fight. Someone else will fill bobs shoes although it may take years. Heck it may be ex bob members themslelves. A quick solution would be to join -A- but im not sure so many egos can fit into one alliance

Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Eternal Ascension
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:23:00 - [8]
 

I don't see CCP lifting a finger to help BOB, all of this stuff is all over game forums news sites etc on the internet right now, if news gets out that CCP intervenes it will bring a heap of bad publicity to a company that many members of the wider mmo community already perceive as having biased devs (from t20 incident). If you read comments on sites like slashdot etc whenever a story about eve is published there is always a dozen people saying "I've heard about Eve but I stayed away because I heard the devs were corrupt".

Only reason I can see CCP intervening is if there is proof that illegal methods were used, from everything I've heard this was not the case entire thing was done using approved game mechanics, ergo if CCP do intervene without damn convincing proof something illict was done, I can see mass rabble on the forums theadnaught mk II etc, such actions will bring nothing but more bad publicity to CCP and confirm rumors about biased devs etc.

When CCP gave their tacit approval for metagaming, they effectively opened the Pandora's box that led to this happening.

BOB were one of the heaviest metagaming alliances in the game, using spies to offline towers, hacking enemies TS, denial of service attacks on websites, spamming fc's cell phones etc. So for BOB themselves to be destroyed by metagaming seems like a nice case of justice being served.


Fyrkraag
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Strategic Operations Brigade
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:37:00 - [9]
 



This is supposed to be the sandbox, the game of player decided destinies. Any intervention from CCP would fly in the face of their core game philosophy.

If the account was hacked (brute force, et. al), well, then I suppose its more complicated.

At the end of the day, the best action for CCP to take is perhaps to allow more controls in the alliance setups and interfaces that could allow players to turn on mechanisms that prevent a single player from disbanding an entire alliance, should that alliance have those mechanisms turned on.


Bastaardicious
Caldari
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Norwood Franskly
I don't see CCP lifting a finger to help BOB, all of this stuff is all over game forums news sites etc on the internet right now, if news gets out that CCP intervenes it will bring a heap of bad publicity to a company that many members of the wider mmo community already perceive as having biased devs (from t20 incident). If you read comments on sites like slashdot etc whenever a story about eve is published there is always a dozen people saying "I've heard about Eve but I stayed away because I heard the devs were corrupt".

Only reason I can see CCP intervening is if there is proof that illegal methods were used, from everything I've heard this was not the case entire thing was done using approved game mechanics, ergo if CCP do intervene without damn convincing proof something illict was done, I can see mass rabble on the forums theadnaught mk II etc, such actions will bring nothing but more bad publicity to CCP and confirm rumors about biased devs etc.

When CCP gave their tacit approval for metagaming, they effectively opened the Pandora's box that led to this happening.

BOB were one of the heaviest metagaming alliances in the game, using spies to offline towers, hacking enemies TS, denial of service attacks on websites, spamming fc's cell phones etc. So for BOB themselves to be destroyed by metagaming seems like a nice case of justice being served.




+1

eliminator2
Gallente
Vindicated Blast.
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:46:00 - [11]
 

i dnt want them to help bob if it was there fault sure but if some1 stole the ceo char or sumert and broke EULA then yea help them

but tbh who wants goon to be in charge of 0.0 i mean there not hence the other allainces but now its all the ones that was against bob v each other as all contracts have now been deleted since they were active just to beat bob

Willem Revolati
Minmatar
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2009.02.05 11:47:00 - [12]
 

yup it's all just a part of game mechanics from the sounds of it, it is not really an illegal act, all be it a cowardly one. This kind of thing happens quite often to other alliances so if CCP somehow get in vovled and 'undo' the allaince deletion then its going to **** off ALOT of people, and I'd like to think CCP wouldnt give special treatment, but we'll just see... ugh

Bibi
Minmatar
Basic Tritanium Mining North
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:31:00 - [13]
 

alot of people seems to be afriad of ccp helping bob get the stuff back I hope they do really. Its been fun to see over the years how people fail to kill them

Al3x3i
Caldari
ROMANIA Renegades
Legiunea ROmana
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:33:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Bibi
alot of people seems to be afriad of ccp helping bob get the stuff back I hope they do really. Its been fun to see over the years how people fail to kill them

True

amarrcommander
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:36:00 - [15]
 

Most things belong to the corps, so other than Sov and all that gets lossed with SOV what else did they lose?

Yes they can be attacked, but again as of right now other than the alliance name they have not lost anything have they?

Wollari
Caldari
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nation
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:38:00 - [16]
 

Bob lost all sovereignty systems now.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/changes/2009-02-05

And the map of Delve is also looking strange empty.
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/Delve

btw. does anyone has moon scans available, so i can update my moon mining database.

Kyanzes
Amarr
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:39:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: amarrcommander
Most things belong to the corps, so other than Sov and all that gets lossed with SOV what else did they lose?

Yes they can be attacked, but again as of right now other than the alliance name they have not lost anything have they?


Well, when you lose sovereignty over systems wouldn't you basically lose all stuff in the stations?

Ni Gaplees
Minmatar
Universal Business Systems
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:50:00 - [18]
 

Who the hell would want to fuel so many towers

thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:53:00 - [19]
 

/me spots someone who has just bought some cheap new shippies ugh

Raul Watanabe
Gallente
NQX Innovations
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:34:00 - [20]
 

I havent seen a single intelligent comment on how everybody plans to take down BoB's huge cap fleets. They have lost cyno jammers but to my understanding this means that now BoB can be attacked more openly by people who have consistently failed to beat them in fleet warfare.

Alliances are made up of people and BoB is made up of a huge amount of high SP, high wealth, highly experienced PVP'ers so it will be interesting to see where this goes.

As an outsider who is enjoying this whole shebang i will throw up a scenario that i think is most likely, BoB get attacked on all fronts and subsequently deal out some of the greatest slaughter EVE has ever seen ugh

I got my popcorn and a nice cool drink so lets see some action people.

Raphael Scoria
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:43:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Raul Watanabe
I havent seen a single intelligent comment on how everybody plans to take down BoB's huge cap fleets. They have lost cyno jammers but to my understanding this means that now BoB can be attacked more openly by people who have consistently failed to beat them in fleet warfare.

Alliances are made up of people and BoB is made up of a huge amount of high SP, high wealth, highly experienced PVP'ers so it will be interesting to see where this goes.

As an outsider who is enjoying this whole shebang i will throw up a scenario that i think is most likely, BoB get attacked on all fronts and subsequently deal out some of the greatest slaughter EVE has ever seen ugh

I got my popcorn and a nice cool drink so lets see some action people.


Dude while you're back there in 2005 can you pop round to my house and tell me not to get drunk before that job interview?

Taram Caldar
Caldari
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:48:00 - [22]
 

TBH I really hope this means the "Great War" is over and we'll get out of this insane super-alliance mentality and get back to where alliances fight each other instead of living in giant napfests from hell.

Unfortunately I think BoB will reform under another ticker (rumor has it they are already starting to) and regain their sov (though they'll have a hell of a fight to do it) then we'll be back to business as usual :(


Hurricane Carter
Minmatar
0ccam's Razor
Corcoran State
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:52:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Taram Caldar
TBH I really hope this means the "Great War" is over and we'll get out of this insane super-alliance mentality and get back to where alliances fight each other instead of living in giant napfests from hell.

Unfortunately I think BoB will reform under another ticker (rumor has it they are already starting to) and regain their sov (though they'll have a hell of a fight to do it) then we'll be back to business as usual :(




ye my hope also is that a bit more pandemonium will spring up, make things more fluid again, but probably not going to happen.

My predictions:
Goons/NC/Whoever take Delve/PB/Querious and then it'll "just" be another part of the meganap.

Don't get me wrong, i'm blue to goons and such, but the fact that if I kick your shins you'll bring friends 5 regions away is not what I'd call fun. (effective though)


 

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