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Ranerd
Posted - 2004.08.03 06:34:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ranerd on 03/08/2004 06:57:24
To my suprise i found out that besides EVE and Earth and Beyond, there are other MMO space simulation games.

2 brought to my attention are Dark Space and Jumpgate. Ofcourse these are cheaper less adverdised games, but i read up on Dark Space and Jump Gate at mmorpg.com, and players say its better than EVE.

So im going to try it, see if its any good. Anybody else hear of any good space MMO games?

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.08.03 07:51:00 - [2]
 

Unfortunately, they are all crap.

I wish game makers would make more space MMORGS, I'm sick of fairies and elves.

Alexis Machine
Minmatar
Asmoday Entertainment
Posted - 2004.08.03 08:03:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Miso
Unfortunately, they are all crap.

I wish game makers would make more space MMORGS, I'm sick of fairies and elves.


Jesus christ me too. I played D&D as a young gamer, but personally, the whole magic/elves/swords&bows thing is played out.




Luc Boye
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.08.03 08:36:00 - [4]
 

The main reason I wont be playing WoW is the setting with orcs/elves/human thing. Who cares. If the made starcraft mmorpg, on the other hand =) Who wouldnt want to be a ghost or dark templar?

IZON
Gallente
Posted - 2004.08.03 08:37:00 - [5]
 

I beta'd jumpgate for almost a year. It was brilliant, better than the point and click lag fest in eve. You could even get 'round the galaxy and back home in time for tea years before the paint dried. YARRRR!!

Alexis Machine
Minmatar
Asmoday Entertainment
Posted - 2004.08.03 08:45:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Luc Boye
The main reason I wont be playing WoW is the setting with orcs/elves/human thing. Who cares. If the made starcraft mmorpg, on the other hand =) Who wouldnt want to be a ghost or dark templar?



Firebat all the way baby! Cool

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.08.03 09:11:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Miso
Unfortunately, they are all crap.

I wish game makers would make more space MMORGS, I'm sick of fairies and elves.



Oh yes !

No more warriors, mages, necromancers, guilds, orcs, dragons and all that crap ever please.

UO killed of the fun of that for me allright, was good for a bit but it gets incredibly boring to hear everyone screma thee and thou and lord at eachother all day. I wish more roleplayers could dispense with the damn silly wordings and I might even start it too.

Just cause for me getting all worked up bout this now the first guy I see with Lord in his name (allies excepted) gets it tonight.

Silly buggers.

Miso
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.08.03 09:13:00 - [8]
 

I swear to god, if i see another ****ing mmorg released set against a fantasy backdrop with elves, dwarfs, goblins and all that other hippy ****, I'm going on a rusty breadknife rampage to some software firms. Twisted Evil

mahhy
MASS
Posted - 2004.08.03 09:36:00 - [9]
 

Signed! No more silly fantasy games! Very Happy

I used to read tons and tons of "fantasy adventure" stuff years ago... all orcs and goblins and dragon and magic etc. my tastes have changed since then into much more sci-fi based stuff. seems my game tastes have followed pretty closely, as i can't stand fantasy type games anymore... anyone else find the same sort of trends in their reading vs. gaming habits?

Rod Blaine
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.08.03 10:11:00 - [10]
 

Oh, and while we are griping about other games and their annoying little mannerisms, let me add that anyone calling me a 'toon' get some torps up the ass starting today.

Plim
Gallente
Everything Financial
Posted - 2004.08.03 13:49:00 - [11]
 

I want a mmorpg about about games developers who fight with nerf guns, alas it will never happen Sad

Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.03 13:56:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: mahhy
Signed! No more silly fantasy games! Very Happy

I used to read tons and tons of "fantasy adventure" stuff years ago... all orcs and goblins and dragon and magic etc. my tastes have changed since then into much more sci-fi based stuff. seems my game tastes have followed pretty closely, as i can't stand fantasy type games anymore... anyone else find the same sort of trends in their reading vs. gaming habits?



Certainly. I'm working my way through O'Brian's Aubrey-Maturin series, and I'd literally dismember someone for a decent game involving naval warfare in the late 18th/early 19th centuries. Hey, EVE is great, but lasers are lasers. There would be nothing like laying a 14 gun sloop alongside a 32 gun xebec-frigate, carrying her by some stroke of luck, and sending her in as a prize to Mahon. Wink

With regard to fantasy, honestly, most of the stuff I read in my youth is absolutely painful to read today. Tolkien is about the only fantasy I can still bear to read, and I dare say the average 'fantasy' author isn't even in the same genre as Tolkien.

I'm tired of elves, dwarves, orcs and trolls. Tolkien did them well, and even he was pushing the unoriginality envelope. Now, nearly half a century later, I'm sorry - having elves and dwarves that don't get along politically, well, someone should beat you to death with a hardcover copy of the Silmarillion.

Originally by: Rod Blaine
Oh, and while we are griping about other games and their annoying little mannerisms, let me add that anyone calling me a 'toon' get some torps up the ass starting today.


Where can we send donations of torpedos and/or isk to? Very Happy

KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2004.08.03 14:54:00 - [13]
 

I want a Wild West Rpg. You can get different guns, shotguns, sixers, rifles. Then there would be the special guns. You could have Posse's instead of having corps. Make it a cross between SWG and EVE, only with cowboys.

Jael Markinsen
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.08.03 15:22:00 - [14]
 

Myself personally, I will be getting this one as my next MMO: upcoming mmorpg. This one seems to capture my interest the most out of all the upcoming mmo's, especially after reading through some of the stuff on the features page. It's gonna be tough playing this one as well as eve at the same time, but I know I'll manage it somehow lol.

Frost88
Caldari
Venal Rangers
Posted - 2004.08.03 18:03:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: KrakizBad
I want a Wild West Rpg. You can get different guns, shotguns, sixers, rifles. Then there would be the special guns. You could have Posse's instead of having corps. Make it a cross between SWG and EVE, only with cowboys.


Yea I though about this, you can have the whole thing being set around settling the west and so on. Estabilished towns get trains e.t.c. that work like shuttles in SWG, horses instad of speeders and what not, could be good. And Red Dead Revolver was such a cool game from a tired genre because it was a western.

Celistine
Caldari
Nightmare Holdings
Posted - 2004.08.04 09:08:00 - [16]
 

I'm defo leaving eve for atleast 2 months to play the matrix online.

Spia Piccola
Posted - 2004.08.04 09:49:00 - [17]
 


Coromandel
Caldari
Binary Star
Posted - 2004.08.04 10:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Anatolius
I'd literally dismember someone for a decent game involving naval warfare in the late 18th/early 19th centuries. Hey, EVE is great, but lasers are lasers. There would be nothing like laying a 14 gun sloop alongside a 32 gun xebec-frigate, carrying her by some stroke of luck, and sending her in as a prize to Mahon.


Anatolius have you checked out Pirates of the burning sea, it looks like it might offer what your after ?

Linkage

fras
Amarr
Posted - 2004.08.04 10:37:00 - [19]
 

yeah pirates of the burning sea has an excellent setting. Has any1 tried that superhero mmorpg? Any good?

JoCool
Caldari
Posted - 2004.08.04 11:16:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: JoCool on 04/08/2004 11:55:42
Jumpgate is a completely skill based space fighter simulation played mainly with Joystick.

If you want to take a look at how it could be, check out the Steel Vipers Jumpgate video, the only Jumpgate video with actual combat scenes directly from the game as far as I know.

http://www.dms2003.com/SV/Video/sv1.rar

PvP Combat begins after the first half of the video and shows just one short scene of a large scale engagement, unfortunately. The rest are smaller fights but definately worth a look to get known to some space mmog history! Smile

It's combat is completely based on almost real space physics (apart from not being able to fly and drift indefinately fast and long). That made piloting the vessels very skill requiring, only the best of the best would fly though asteroid fields to shake off an attacker or could hit the docking tube quickly and exactly under pressure of an attack.
Duels would usually end two people cycling each other or the ship of higher mass being cycled by the others which ended that the one with a better aim would usually win those fights. Actual space combat was different and very much included and required estimation of range to your opponents and mates and a really really big portion of situational awareness and coordination to be succesful as one ship could kill another one in 9 seconds if the attacker had perfect aim. Two pilots with perfect aim flying in a close formation (which is hard in real space!) could kill in 4 to 5 seconds, and three in 3 to 4 seconds.
There were also turbos called flashfires lasting 10 seconds each that were like an mwd without penalty (but only 1 use - ships carried from 3 to 4 of those). These two things allowed you to actually build small wings of real elite commandos that could take out fleets two times their size and there were around 3 to 4 of real good small 'assassin' teams in the game with some ultimate individuals. I was part of one those, the best victories we would claim were taking out 7 quantar factionalists armed to the teeth with just 3 of us and killing 5 solrain radicals flying the best ships in the game (talking of ccp, everyone has problems with balance!) with just the two of us in less than average ships another day. The scenes in the videos include longer fights of less skilled pilots, high end combat as you might call it was fast paced and ninja style and the most kills I got i.e. were around 3 in 15 seconds, again in a 3 man team (as almost always).
The biggest fleet fights in Jumpgate were with around 30 people on each side and were basically very uncoordinated or unprecise but definately fun. Unlike in Eve online you usually had wings of 4 to 5 people having a wingleader giving out targets (because you would waste firepower aligning 20 ships for one) and one bigger general-like commander in a fast running ship.
There was no 'show pilots on map' so if you moved a big fleet, you would have to use some scouts or talk to other commanders of the opposing force around which sector your fleets would meet (which happened quite a few times between fair sports).

There were fast reconnaissance ships, fast lighter fighters often used by pirates and the wings I talked of, heavier better armed fighters often used by factionalists, heavy bombers carrying devestating weaponry, freighters and miners (!) all with many different load outs. Colourful like Eve. Unfortunately Jumpgate is dead now, after 4 years most players had enough because there was hardly any new content added apart from some new ships, player owned stations and badly thought out dungeons for PvE in an expansion pack like Shiva. The death of Jumpgate was when there were new Rules of Conduct included that made you shoot noone else in empire space (there was no npc police) and many people were randomly banned by a GM team based on biased volunteer carebears (Quote: no PvPers allowed in the team). I'm glad that CCP acts way more professional, is about to include much more content and keeps the content flow coming (as that is the most important thing about a mmog).

Barth3zzzNL
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Posted - 2004.08.04 12:31:00 - [21]
 

I played Darkspace for a few years before joining Eve.
DarkSpace got screwed by the last patch though.

And its a small game, only 2 or 3 Devs working on it. The last patch took a year to complete and it ruined the game.
Every decent combat weapon which made the game fun was nerfed because skills n00bs kept whining about them in the forums. (Sounds familiar?)

Actually being able to pilot your ship was cool though Smile

fras
Amarr
Posted - 2004.08.04 12:41:00 - [22]
 

Did anyone play Terminus? I used to play that loads.. now that in a mmorpg setting would be a game to behold.

meowcat
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.08.04 15:14:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: fras
Did anyone play Terminus? I used to play that loads.. now that in a mmorpg setting would be a game to behold.


i did... very good game with REAL PHYSICS, or at least close - and it was multi-platform

the Bee was a great ship

IZON
Gallente
Posted - 2004.08.04 16:13:00 - [24]
 

@ JoCool

It's sad to see the demise of JG, a winning formula that was hacked to pieces by the devs. I don't think they'll ever know just how close they came to making JG big. Just a few key code changes and it could have been a classic (still might be). Like you say, NetDevil never addressed the issue over the absence of NPC-police in Empire space, they dragged their heels on so many important issues, in the end as players left in droves they started to rush them out, too little too late. But the space combat was second to none, worthy of the title 'Elite'.

Daemodrad
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2004.08.05 03:35:00 - [25]
 

I know, its sad about Jumpgate. The language barrier was another problem with it, and having 2 servers instead of one. (One European, one American). The Us was mostly dead, and the euro one was very mixed language. They should have combined them long ago, to keep the player count higher. Dammit tho, I miss fraggin them flux.

Anatolius
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2004.08.05 09:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Coromandel
Anatolius have you checked out Pirates of the burning sea, it looks like it might offer what your after ?

Linkage


Shocked

Gonna have to keep my eye on that one. Very Happy

Maud Dib
Caldari
The Bleeding Heart Cult
Posted - 2004.08.05 16:25:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Anatolius
Originally by: Coromandel
Anatolius have you checked out Pirates of the burning sea, it looks like it might offer what your after ?

Linkage


Shocked

Gonna have to keep my eye on that one. Very Happy


There are a lot of EVE players who are keeping an eye out for when the beta starts.

Agenor Deteis
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
Posted - 2004.08.05 19:29:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: JoCool
Edited by: JoCool on 04/08/2004 11:55:42

http://www.dms2003.com/SV/Video/sv1.rar

I'm wandering who are the artists of the song played in this movie? I know the song but i can't recall the band. Plz help :)

Slithereen
Amarr
Posted - 2004.08.06 04:57:00 - [29]
 


Darkspace is very different from EVE. More of a real fleet battle concept. It's more like Starfleet Command made into massive multiplayer. Its still around, chugging along with a small playerbase. I tried it but it didn't catch me though.

Then there is Mankind. Its been ruined lately and going downhill but in its heyday, it was way bigger than EVE. The scale is much larger than EVE though, less of a role playing game, more of a civiliation-RTS type game gone multipleyer with persistance. For example, your bases and ships will continue to persist in the universe even after you logged off. So you better log in back if your bases or fleet gets attacked. Master of Orion done massive is another way to describe this game.

My first ever space game, and massive multiplayer too was Allegiance, killed by its smack talking, stat ***** minded player base and the sheer incompetence of Microsoft itself, which used the game to experiment its DirectPlay APIs. But the combat in the game, at its very best---way better than EVE can aspire too. Best way to describe it is like Tribes or Battlefield 1942 or Planetside with space ships, but it has a much more complex RTS development and strategy style.

I think Allegiance captures the feel of Star Wars style space combat than any other game. In Allegiance, a cruiser is a really big ship, not something just for a single pilot. You get people to actually man the turrets of the ship.



Kennian
Gallente
Chosen Path
Posted - 2004.08.06 08:40:00 - [30]
 

while it's not a mmo, they're doing a remake of the clasic Pirates! mister sid is working on it personaly and it looks amazeing...got a e-mail from atari asking if i was avaluable for beta testing when it got to game play


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