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Dreamwalker
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.02.04 11:33:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Jainia Soltella


During the re-inf time:
3) Everything of value will be removed to a station, so unless you are being paid, you won't get anything other than the modules when the tower dies. (Maybe a few hundred mil if they are faction AND you are willing to spend hours repping them up)



Nope, sorry. Anything that uses CPU will be unusable until the tower gets back over 50% shield. That means any labs or corp hangar arrays left on the field (and anything within them) when the tower goes into reinforced will still be there when it comes out.


In the 24 hours war dec, they will pull down the labs and online or put up more guns.

Commodore Bill
Posted - 2009.02.04 15:35:00 - [32]
 

So, am I to understand that by building this POS a handful of rich carebears can now operate in near total safety?

There is no way a dozen or so empire war operators can take that POS away from these twerps?

Even when dec'd they can just stay at their Death Star, do whatever it is they do and no one can really touch them?

Well, that sucks.

I suppose the setup of this POS would tell that they seem to know what they're doing, in addition to having way more isk then they deserve.

DTson Gauur
Caldari
Blend.
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2009.02.04 16:29:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Commodore Bill
So, am I to understand that by building this POS a handful of rich carebears can now operate in near total safety?

There is no way a dozen or so empire war operators can take that POS away from these twerps?

Even when dec'd they can just stay at their Death Star, do whatever it is they do and no one can really touch them?

Well, that sucks.

I suppose the setup of this POS would tell that they seem to know what they're doing, in addition to having way more isk then they deserve.


SURE it can be taken away, it's just the question of are you willing to lose literally billions of ISK doing it. If let's say BOB or Goons wanted to kill a POS like this in highsec, they could do it. They got the manpower AND the ISK backbone to support the operation.

Dreamwalker
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.02.04 17:51:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Commodore Bill
So, am I to understand that by building this POS a handful of rich carebears can now operate in near total safety?

There is no way a dozen or so empire war operators can take that POS away from these twerps?

Even when dec'd they can just stay at their Death Star, do whatever it is they do and no one can really touch them?

Well, that sucks.

I suppose the setup of this POS would tell that they seem to know what they're doing, in addition to having way more isk then they deserve.


If you want to hurt them dec them, attack the POS just so it generates the mail. Then attack and lock down the system. Every week keep it up and you will get them to quit over time.

Irish Blend
Posted - 2009.02.04 18:02:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Commodore Bill
So, am I to understand that by building this POS a handful of rich carebears can now operate in near total safety?


I suppose the setup of this POS would tell that they seem to know what they're doing, in addition to having way more isk then they deserve.


You need a reason to be playing EVE, because its clear that you don't have one now, being mad that others are having fun or more wealth then you.

Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2009.02.04 18:14:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Commodore Bill


Well, that sucks.


That's the way smart carebears play. You get less out of them than you put in. Doesn't mean you can't make them squeal, but you need to put the work in and pay the price.

Pwett
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
Posted - 2009.02.04 18:19:00 - [37]
 

It's as fair as building fully insured t1 gank battleships at a total cost of 3 million isk to catch untanked haulers in Empire.

Girabaldi D'Protagonist
Minmatar
Quantum Theory.
The Device.
Posted - 2009.02.04 19:18:00 - [38]
 

If the owners of this POS have their sh** in the same sock they will have several piolts with the Starbase Defence skill and they will wipe the floor with whatever you bring..

Concentrated firepower of this monster will take down ship after ship.

If they don't have the operators then they don't have their sh** in one sock.

It also depends on the configuration of their weapons systems.. how to approach where the defense guns are located in relation to their hardeners,

A good POS plan will work these things through to put everything within optimal of each other and optimal to nail attackers..




Arnold Kruger
Superior Systems
Posted - 2009.02.04 21:36:00 - [39]
 

Brass balls. And A LOT of beer.

foobarx
Posted - 2009.02.05 00:30:00 - [40]
 

If they don't have the operators then they don't have their sh** in one sock.

You put sh** in your sock? Is that a Brit thing?

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2009.02.05 10:10:00 - [41]
 

About 50 battleships should do the trick. If they are competent you will take losses tho if they anchor warp disruptors. If they do not then they are not competent and you can do it without any losses as long as you are competent.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2009.02.05 12:43:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Complete newbie question (please forgive me I am sure I am going to ask something stupid): why would you want to kill an hi sec POS, expecially one so well defended?

I mean, I can see how some kill others' ships just because, but in this case there has really to be some pretty heavy reason. Do they steal you your market?

(Sorry again, I am sure this is a dumb question Sad)

If it is 10 advanced labs you have 1.5b worth of goodies to steal, a good reason if any.

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2009.02.05 13:32:00 - [43]
 

Just harass them with wardecs until they can't use their labs anymore and they'll end up removing the POS.

Sure, you won't get any benefit out of it. But where did you get the idea that you were supposed to get one in the first place?

Eve works that way. You can harass people, but you have to pay for it.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.02.05 14:28:00 - [44]
 

If that list of online modules is correct, you need dreadnoughts to take it out. Even then you would probably lose one or two dreads.

No corporation without at least 3-4 gunners available would set up a POS like that. Note the focus on medium guns, 3-4 artillery units will one volley most plated BS (damage mod of x67 before tower bonus).

My advise is to forget it is there and move on Very Happy

Dreamwalker
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.02.05 16:44:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana

If it is 10 advanced labs you have 1.5b worth of goodies to steal, a good reason if any.


Its high sec so they would have 24 hour notice, which if they are active they will pull the labs down so there would be no labs to profit from.

Strategos Constance
Posted - 2009.02.06 17:34:00 - [46]
 

Not only would you have to do all of that, but you would have to lock down a high sec system for 24hours (as soon as the wardec is up). If you do that you run a chance of getting any person trying to get to the POS. Or if you REALLY want that POS. WarDec and lock down the system till the fuel runs out... the cost, and time would be stupid to do... but you can do it, if you have the fortitude. Also that is assuming that the parent corp of whoever put that up doesn't come and wardec you.

As previously stated, a major alliance could do it, but a corp? Keep dreaming. If they got the money to put that up, they have the money to hire mercs to blow you away.

Zombie Kenny
RDK Research Inc.
Posted - 2009.02.06 17:59:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Strategos Constance
Not only would you have to do all of that, but you would have to lock down a high sec system for 24hours (as soon as the wardec is up). If you do that you run a chance of getting any person trying to get to the POS. Or if you REALLY want that POS. WarDec and lock down the system till the fuel runs out... the cost, and time would be stupid to do... but you can do it, if you have the fortitude. Also that is assuming that the parent corp of whoever put that up doesn't come and wardec you.

As previously stated, a major alliance could do it, but a corp? Keep dreaming. If they got the money to put that up, they have the money to hire mercs to blow you away.
Neutral alt in a badger could fly in, jet the fuel inside POS sheilds, a corp member could stick it into the tower.

nether void
Caldari
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.02.06 20:25:00 - [48]
 

Battle report yet?

Lucia Wilber
Minmatar
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2009.02.07 02:57:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Lucia Wilber on 07/02/2009 02:57:52
Originally by: Commodore Bill
So, am I to understand that by building this POS a handful of rich carebears can now operate in near total safety?

There is no way a dozen or so empire war operators can take that POS away from these twerps?

Even when dec'd they can just stay at their Death Star, do whatever it is they do and no one can really touch them?

Well, that sucks.

I suppose the setup of this POS would tell that they seem to know what they're doing, in addition to having way more isk then they deserve.


Wow, you cry more than most carebears I know. More isk than they deserve? How do you come to that ******ed conclusion? They don't deserve isk because they stay in high sec? What kind of warped logic are you relying upon to make your point? Sounds like you're just jealous because the kid next door has a shinier bike than you do and you're mad because you can't beat him up and take it away.

Yikes.

Edit: Spelling!

Madam Squishy
True Argons
Posted - 2009.02.07 04:38:00 - [50]
 

Hey does POS ECM target only the race's ships it should?

Venduras
Posted - 2009.02.07 12:09:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Commodore Bill
So, am I to understand that by building this POS a handful of rich carebears can now operate in near total safety?

There is no way a dozen or so empire war operators can take that POS away from these twerps?

Even when dec'd they can just stay at their Death Star, do whatever it is they do and no one can really touch them?

Well, that sucks.

I suppose the setup of this POS would tell that they seem to know what they're doing, in addition to having way more isk then they deserve.


So the 2-3 billion ISK + standing + fuel + logistics + other costs and all the Blueprints they must have to make it worthwhile don't count into it? Any POS in high-sec must mean people who put them up are lazy rich carebears afraid of big bad people?

Seriously, get a clue. If a corp has gone through this much trouble to get a POS in high-sec and get it equipped like this, don't you think that maybe...just maybe they deserve having it very hard to bring down? It's still not impossible to do by the way, just very very hard. Otherwise high-sec POSes would be a comedy killmail altogether.

It is still just a single POS, the only thing they can do there is Blueprint research, which you can't do anywhere else because all the public slots have a 3-4 week queue line. If people want a Death Star in high-sec, let them, it's theirs to buy, equip and maintain so it should be a formidable opponent.

Also, it isn't total safety, even if their entire corp stays in their POS, they would be able to do absolutely NOTHING else, all they could do is watch people fly by or camp the gates, meaning their entire corp is stuck doing nothing so the POS doesn't really help in that. The guns are probably more to defend the actual POS and the investment itself rather than making it an easy kill.

Dors Venabily
Posted - 2009.02.08 02:17:00 - [52]
 

LoL at the OP

More isk then they deserve hahahaha i never laughed that hard LaughingLaughing


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