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Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.01.31 14:19:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Stalina
BTW whats the system you are doing missions and what ship are you using?


This.

Very Happy

farfromarealalt
Posted - 2009.01.31 15:23:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Tchell Dahhn


*lame self-justification rant*




You've got to be kidding me. While Pirates are busy playing with other players, you stupid Ninjas are too busy playing with yourselves!

That's what Ninja Salvaging is, right? It's an MMO without the need to interact with other people.

"Look at me! I'm a big, bad Ninja Salvager, and I like to press a few keys, watch the non-existant NPC AI Wrecks go 'poof' and collect my salvage. Oh, but because I have to do it near another active player, it somehow justifies me as participating more in the game universe than Mission Runners!"

Pft. You people make me sick. Twisted Evil

*insert pre-lulz at usual 'post with your main or GTFO' chest-thumping e-peen waving BS here*

RedSplat
Posted - 2009.01.31 15:44:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: farfromarealalt
Originally by: Tchell Dahhn

Pft. You people make me sick. Twisted Evil

*insert pre-lulz at usual 'post with your main or GTFO' chest-thumping e-peen waving BS here*


So, out of curiosity,

Why aren't you posting with your mainQuestion

Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
Posted - 2009.01.31 17:16:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Excuse me as I am very new to the game.

In case you don't like someone grabbing the wrecks, can't you just say your 2 friends to bump the guy forever and you salvage or even kill the wreck in his face?


Not if he's faster than you.

Chomin H'ak
Integrated Takeovers
Posted - 2009.01.31 17:23:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: farfromarealalt
That's what Ninja Salvaging is, right? It's an MMO without the need to interact with other people.


Cause ****ing you off isn't interacting?

farfromarealalt
Posted - 2009.01.31 17:42:00 - [66]
 

Please. Salvagers no more 'interact' with other players than a miner does when locking a laser onto an asteroid another miner is firing at. It's others who interact with them or not as they choose to do.

And really, calling them Ninja Salvagers is rather inappropriate. Let's call them what they are. Carebear Scavengers. Scavengers who prey upon their own.

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.01.31 19:39:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: farfromarealman
Boo hoo.


Cry more. Your tears sustain me.

Jared D'Uroth
Minmatar
ElitistOps
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.01.31 19:49:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: farfromarealalt
Please. Salvagers no more 'interact' with other players than a miner does when locking a laser onto an asteroid another miner is firing at. It's others who interact with them or not as they choose to do.

And really, calling them Ninja Salvagers is rather inappropriate. Let's call them what they are. Carebear Scavengers. Scavengers who prey upon their own.


The problem is, you're starting off with the idea that the wreck is yours, just because the loot is.

YOU'RE WRONG.


Le Poupon
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2009.01.31 20:07:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Le Poupon on 31/01/2009 20:09:03
Originally by: farfromarealalt
Please. Salvagers no more 'interact' with other players than a miner does when locking a laser onto an asteroid another miner is firing at. It's others who interact with them or not as they choose to do.



I spell FONETIKALEE.
Its still interaction mate.

Karnus Solus
Posted - 2009.01.31 22:31:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Karnus Solus on 31/01/2009 23:05:59
Edited by: Karnus Solus on 31/01/2009 22:48:17
All Iīm asking for is to be able to shoot people who steal my stuff, including my wrecks.

Who cares if he goes to get a bigger ship or his entire corp? My corp will be there too, and if we know that pvp is a possibility in missions, weīll prepare for that. At least we have the oportunity to stop them doing it.

You just want to be able to keep taking stuff belonging to others without them being able to do anything about it... how about giving the rest of us the chance to be able to blow your heads off if you try it? I think thatīs fair, donīt you?

EDIT: on a side note, how does this make me a bear? You just donīt want this nice comfortable `professionī of yours to incur some risk. You know fully well that when you do this, you canīt be hurt by other players without concord jumping in to save you. If I was able to at least shoot you, win or lose, then fair play to you. There is no risk for people who do this at all... save the rats themselves, but thatīs hardly an issue.

Karnus Solus
Posted - 2009.01.31 22:36:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Ehranavaar
had this happen a few times. my response is to just finish killing whatever npc's are about and then to methodically blow up any of the wrecks the thief approaches closely enough to activate a salvager on.

the trick is to make sure he is actually activating his salvager on the wreck before it pops. this maximizes his frustration. the smack from the loser is pretty priceless too.Laughing



hehe might do that thanks for the tip

farfromarealalt
Posted - 2009.01.31 23:30:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
Generic "I can't think of a better arguement" response.



There, cleaned it up for you a bit. Laughing

Now, all insult sniping aside, let me say I really don't care about so-called ninja salvaging. It's a fair part of the game, just like high-sec mission running, gatecamping, NPC corps, canflipping, POS warfare and all the other things we do to each other(intentional or not)in EvE that make us come on the forums and extoll the virtue of EvE's sandbox nature out of one corner of our mouths and complain about the parts of it we don't like from the other.

That's what it all comes down to. People play EvE in a way you don't like, but you can play EvE in a way that messes with the way they like. Fair is fair. So keep on running those highsec Missions, folks! If you stopped, guys like Tchell would have to go out and get real jobs in EvE. Wink

farfromarealalt
Posted - 2009.01.31 23:41:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Karnus Solus

EDIT: on a side note, how does this make me a bear? You just donīt want this nice comfortable `professionī of yours to incur some risk. You know fully well that when you do this, you canīt be hurt by other players without concord jumping in to save you. If I was able to at least shoot you, win or lose, then fair play to you. There is no risk for people who do this at all... save the rats themselves, but thatīs hardly an issue.


And just to show I'm a fair-minded sort in lampooning peoples' silly opinions...

EDIT: on a side note, how does this make you a bear? I just donīt want this nice comfortable `professionī of mine to incur some risk. I know fully well that when I do this, I canīt be hurt by other players without concord jumping in to save me. If you were able to at least shoot me, win or lose, then fair play to me. There is no risk for people who do this at all... save the rats themselves, but thatīs hardly an issue.

Sorry OP, but I could not help flipping it back around and making it mostly fit. Twisted Evil

Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.02.01 00:00:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: RedSplat
So, out of curiosity,

Why aren't you posting with your mainQuestion


This question but to all of C&P as well.

Ignition SemperFi
No Falcons Allowed
Posted - 2009.02.01 00:16:00 - [75]
 

main reporting ;-p

farfromarealalt
Posted - 2009.02.01 00:20:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: RedSplat
So, out of curiosity,

Why aren't you posting with your mainQuestion


This question but to all of C&P as well.


Speaking for meself, it's more fun when I know there are no consequences. I think that's well within the EvE mentality, personally. Razz

I imagine most others will have a variation on that sentiment, but I'll let them post. Would Not Do to speak out of turn. Laughing

farfromarealalt
Posted - 2009.02.01 00:27:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: farfromarealalt on 01/02/2009 00:34:52
Originally by: Jared D'Uroth

The problem is, you're starting off with the idea that the wreck is yours, just because the loot is.

YOU'RE WRONG.



Oh, yeah, almost forgot.

The problem is, you're starting off with the idea that I think the wreck is mine, just because the loot is.

YOU'RE--(sigh. Do I REALLY have to finish this? Hmm...considering the apparent IQ of some posters around here, better safe than sorry)WRONG. ugh

Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.02.01 00:58:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: farfromarealalt
Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: RedSplat
So, out of curiosity,

Why aren't you posting with your mainQuestion


This question but to all of C&P as well.


Speaking for meself, it's more fun when I know there are no consequences. I think that's well within the EvE mentality, personally. Razz

I imagine most others will have a variation on that sentiment, but I'll let them post. Would Not Do to speak out of turn. Laughing


Yes, EVE is all about your actions having no consequences whatsoever.
Next.

Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
Posted - 2009.02.01 01:07:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

Yes, EVE is all about your actions having no consequences whatsoever.
Next.



I thought that was fun at first, but then I realised chasing people who wardecced me around in my velator even more fun.

Consequences ftw

Kaya Divine
Gallente
Kittens Factory
Posted - 2009.02.01 02:02:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Karnus Solus
Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks) Wink



Just warpout. Make yourself a cup of tea, return...and there is a chance when you return that you will see his or hers wreck...repeat if necessary.

Steel Tigeress
Gallente
R0GUE ENTITY
Posted - 2009.02.01 06:56:00 - [81]
 

I've always thought that while missions were still active, wrecks inside the pockets should be flagged to the owner and could not be salvaged by other people.

But after the mission is turned and the area isnt deadspace anymore anyone could salvage.

To do this though they'ld have to fix probes to be able to scan for wrecks. Salvaging could still be a profession, as there are alot of people who dont salvage, but the person who owns the mission would still get first crack at the wrecks if they wanted them.

Bellum Eternus
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.02.01 08:03:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Karnus Solus
Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission in the 3rd room and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting. He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks. He didnīt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnīt a thing we could do about it as itīs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.

Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner. I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!

Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canīt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks) Wink




If you were a real man and missioned in lowsec, you could shoot anyone you like, any time you like.

Silent Sins
Deliciously Vicious
Posted - 2009.02.01 09:04:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Nexus Kinnon
Originally by: RedSplat
So, out of curiosity,

Why aren't you posting with your mainQuestion


This question but to all of C&P as well.


My main is too pretty for C&P.

Salvage flagging = more DEAD BEARS.

Rico Minali
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2009.02.01 10:45:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Rico Minali on 01/02/2009 10:47:59
I agree with the original poster, salvaging SHOULD flag you up, then when you blow up my T1 frigate alt, me and my mates warp in and we actually get some pvp, maybe pick up your faction/officer mods from your faction mission boat (hopefully a gang of you for even more loot) and everyone goes home happy!

This way everyone gets exactly what they asked for and there wont be any more complaining, ever, about anything.

True story.

Ive never ninja salvaged in my life, but if this comes in I will definitely start!

Morsus Argent
Posted - 2009.02.01 11:19:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Rico Minali
Ive never ninja salvaged in my life, but if this comes in I will definitely start!

Yeah! But if only there was a way all these people who really honestly want to get flagged could do it already, like, I don't know, taking the loot? Rolling Eyes

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.02.01 11:57:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Salliene
Edited by: Salliene on 30/01/2009 14:28:26
I recently bought a Vexor and stuck 5 T2 mediums and 5 T2 light drones on it. Now instead of mucking about with Ninja Salvage I just warp into missions and start popping anything cruiser size and above while you tank the aggro for me.

The wrecks are still counted as yours though, but don't worry - I bookmark everything and come back later and steal some of the loot too (100MN MWD are almost a million ISK), and salvage if it was an Angel mission.






Better yet, put your drones on whatever battleship the mission runner is shooting. You've got a pretty good chance of getting the final blow in and therefore getting the bounty.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.02.01 12:00:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Excuse me as I am very new to the game.

In case you don't like someone grabbing the wrecks, can't you just say your 2 friends to bump the guy forever and you salvage or even kill the wreck in his face?


Asking mission runners to make any effort whatsoever to protect themselves or secure what is "rightfully" theirs makes you worse than a certain mad unitesticled Austrian dictator.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.02.01 12:08:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Karnus Solus

EDIT: on a side note, how does this make me a bear?


Because you're making good ISK in an almost 100% safe environment, and then complaining that you, from your position of 100% safety, aren't allowed to shoot someone who's annoying you.

Go mission in lo-sec or rat in 0.0, and then you can shoot anyone at all, "just because".

PS: I do hi-sec missions myself when I need a little ISK, but I don't kid myself that it's a profession that's anything other than broken when it comes to risk/reward. Tchell's lot and those others like him go a very very small way to redressing the balance. As it is, for most missions, it's actually better ISK/Hr to just turn it in and get another one than it is to salvage. Just saying.

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2009.02.01 12:13:00 - [89]
 

In all honesty the OP actually made a polite and whine free request so all the "STFU GB2WOW" sort of comments on the original post itself don't make a lot of sense. Not to say I agree with him.

It's actually quite interesting how low sec is in so many regards safer than high sec, for so many forms of carebearing. Mostly because majority think high sec is safe and are scared to death to see how well would they do out in the "harsh reality" of low sec where you actually got to be careful to survive, not just whine about concord response time on forums when one of 600 people in local randomly smartbombs you. Thus low sec is mostly desert-like area, and quite safe if you know what you're doing.

Of course stuff happens and danger is always there, but I've been mission running for a year or so in several low sec systems and yet have to learn what the HELL a ninja salvager is. Laughing

Lacri 13
Posted - 2009.02.01 22:03:00 - [90]
 


I do not know what system you are in the solar system but Lustrevik is a real chaos.
I did and petitions and I attached the picture and steal when they say that everything is ok.
True nor staying so much to play and I thought the option to steal it.
But I can not create any inconvenience to others.
Wait and hope that our complaints will not remain without echo.
I would hate to give that much time I invested in this game and I like to do missions.


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