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Karnus Solus
Posted - 2009.01.30 01:47:00 - [1]
 

Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission in the 3rd room and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting. He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks. He didnīt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnīt a thing we could do about it as itīs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.

Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner. I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!

Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canīt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks) Wink


XTheVorteX
Gallente
Royal Hiigaran Navy
Posted - 2009.01.30 01:48:00 - [2]
 

I agree, we should most definitely nerf the falcon.

Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.01.30 01:56:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 30/01/2009 01:58:03
MAAAAAWWWWWWMMMMMMMM!

HE VIOLATED MY PERSONAL SPACE!

suck it up, buttercup!

Lana Torrin
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.01.30 01:56:00 - [4]
 

Shocked
Whats wrong with the falcon?

FatFreddy
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2009.01.30 02:01:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Karnus Solus

Sitting there working hard to kill things Wink




I feel you man, all this sitting in front of the screen, left-clicking and watching virtual spaceships pop while farting and scratching your sack is really fatiguing.

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.01.30 02:12:00 - [6]
 

In before Tchell.

Oh, wait.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2009.01.30 03:03:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Karnus Solus
PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!


I wish this would happen as well. I would love to see the number of tears when a CNR blows up a salvager and a couple of corpmates warp in and blow up the CNR.

Leiara Knight
Gallente
The Oblivion Guard
Posted - 2009.01.30 03:11:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: FatFreddy
Originally by: Karnus Solus

Sitting there working hard to kill things Wink




I feel you man, all this sitting in front of the screen, left-clicking and watching virtual spaceships pop while farting and scratching your sack is really fatiguing.

I don't scratch at all. That's my butler's job.

Sanka Cofie
Amarr
The Yaar Offices of Pointe Webb and Podemall
Posted - 2009.01.30 03:15:00 - [9]
 

We should start a fun game:

Guess how long it takes for CCP to change it so salvaging brings flags.

Then guess how long before the "waaah salvaging doesn't cause agro" crowd turns into the "Waaah I lost my CNR for aggroing a ninja-salvager" crowd.

Lady Karma
Posted - 2009.01.30 03:23:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Lady Karma on 30/01/2009 03:25:54
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Karnus Solus
PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!


I wish this would happen as well. I would love to see the number of tears when a CNR blows up a salvager and a couple of corpmates warp in and blow up the CNR.


Luckily the bears fail to understand agro mechanics as much as you do.

Corp agro would only be achieved if they looted the wreck. What usually happens in loot thief scenario, is the salvager warps away (unless you fit scram on your mission BS) then he comes back in BS and pew pews you to dust.

I would love to see salvaging cause flagging, bears are so possessive Twisted Evil


Jesslyn Daggererux
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.01.30 03:30:00 - [11]
 

hey Tchell this seems oddly reminiscent of the last thread asking exactly this in which a gm already told the guy "STFU Noob, stop crying" ...or something like that. don't you agree?

Iyhi Baal
Gallente
Blue Republic
Posted - 2009.01.30 03:33:00 - [12]
 

Dude !
You are doing it wrong. If you have 2 wingmen then you can run through the missions so fast that stopping for salvage does not make sense.

Here's what to do;
1) never accept missions that require you to return an item.
2) never accept missions that requre require killing faction navies.
3) 2 shoot while the third turns in/ gets next mission.

benefits;
1) never have to change resist.
2) ammo cost is collectively very low
3) no need for pimp faction ship
4) have lots of friends
5) lots of lp and isk
6) if the planets align and you get 2 missions you dont like the Dodixie region has plenty of agents with reasonable standing.

You will find yourself rolling in LP, isk, and implants in no time.
Believe it!Cool

Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.01.30 03:39:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Lady Karma
Luckily the bears fail to understand agro mechanics as much as you do.

Is it a mechanics comprehension "problem", or is it a question of philosophy?

The OP's thinking is most likely that if ninja salvagers will get flagged, they will avoid ninjaing salvage. The "logic" being that, like the OP, the ninja is the kind that would rather avoid a fight.

Of course, the carebear in Eve learns that we - the ones who seek out and enjoy fights - don't think the same way.

Ignition SemperFi
No Falcons Allowed
Posted - 2009.01.30 04:30:00 - [14]
 

I for one am here to let your know karnus, that you do not have to worry... as I steal everything in a mission, you are free to shoot me as you please.

Silent Sins
Deliciously Vicious
Posted - 2009.01.30 07:15:00 - [15]
 

Salvage flagging = more dead bears. 'nuff said.


Petronous Fabel
Posted - 2009.01.30 07:47:00 - [16]
 

a possible solution would be to configure the salvager to work like the tractor, which cannot be activated on another player's wreck.

of course, this doesn't stop them from looting the item(s) you need to complete the mission or use the next gate.

Nexus Kinnon
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.01.30 08:01:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Petronous Fabel
a possible solution would be to configure the salvager to work like the tractor, which cannot be activated on another player's wreck.

of course, this doesn't stop them from looting the item(s) you need to complete the mission or use the next gate.


Yes, let's remove content from the game.

Shadow Lightbringer
Nightghosts Inc
Posted - 2009.01.30 08:23:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Silent Sins
Salvage flagging = more dead bears. 'nuff said.

Alia Xii
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:30:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Karnus Solus
Yesterday while running a level 4 mission with a couple of guys from my corp, and after clearing the first 2 rooms, a complete stranger in a tech 1 frigate warped into our mission



You are about to be ninja'd!

Originally by: Karnus Solus

.....and began salvaging all of our wrecks while we were busy fighting.



You are currently being ninja'd - please hold the line.

Originally by: Karnus Solus

our wrecks



Not _your wrecks_ they are public domain, just like trash and real wrecks at sea.

Originally by: Karnus Solus

He ignored conversation requests, of course, and just carried on stealing our wrecks.


Shame... I would have accepted the convo, and then taunted you mercilessly.

Originally by: Karnus Solus

He didnīt loot the wrecks, just salvaged - so there wasnīt a thing we could do about it as itīs not technically stealing. In the eyes of most people, however, it IS stealing.


Smart guy, he's knows his stuff. It's not stealing, see previous quote.

Originally by: Karnus Solus

Salvage is extremely valuable and a major source of income for any mission runner.


Get a night time job too!

Originally by: Karnus Solus

I understand that having missions invaded is a part of the game, like it or not, but CCP if you are listening, PLEASE MAKE PEOPLE SALVAGING OTHER PEOPLES WRECKS FLAGGED AS THIEVES just as they would be if they stole loot!


Why? You just need to take more simple precautions. If you don't know what I'm talking about then please send me all your stuff.

Originally by: Karnus Solus

Sitting there working hard to kill things, watching someone else steal from you, knowing that you canīt touch them is the most rediculous and annoying thing in this game by far. Give us the chance to at least blow them into tiny pieces for being parasetic scum. (then salvage their wrecks) Wink



Isn't life a *****? But consider this also - you can easily run another L4, and you've just provided this guy with _his_ income. Think of it as charity work and doing your bit to help others. After all, he was only in a frigate and there were 3 of you in nice big ships - be friendly, where's your generosity? Cool

PS - Mission runners who shoot back are the best type, because you can then warp in your PvP setup gang and gank a PvE setup... so shoot back, go on, I dare ya! Twisted Evil

Alia Xii
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:33:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Petronous Fabel
a possible solution would be to configure the salvager to work like the tractor, which cannot be activated on another player's wreck.

of course, this doesn't stop them from looting the item(s) you need to complete the mission or use the next gate.


Get out!

Blackjack Turner
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2009.01.30 11:50:00 - [21]
 

See salvager? Shoot yer wrecks!! You still get bounties and LP's, he gets nada. Twisted Evil

Leiara Knight
Gallente
The Oblivion Guard
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:05:00 - [22]
 

Why don't you like carebears?

H Lecter
Gallente
The Black Rabbits Academy
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:23:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Leiara Knight
Why don't you like carebears?


I don't generally dislike carebears - I was one of them for the first 9 months.

However, it's useless complaining about game mechanics that you do not like. I'm sure it was not a mistake on CCP's side, not to give kill rights for salvaging your wrecks.

The next request will be to have dedicated pvp servers, then getting your ship and pod back when you are killed and finally CCP will have to deal with people who want to have orks and elves in this game instead of spaceships.

If you don't want to drive a sports car because the hard suspension hurts your back, then get a limousine.

I.e. GB2WOW.

/thread

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:27:00 - [24]
 

To the OP....

Do you actually know what the word 'salvage' means. Have you looked it up before coming here crying like a little girl who lost her dolly.

Try dictionary.com

Here I have quoted a section from Maritime Law for you -

Quote:
A derelict-a vessel found entirely deserted or abandoned without hope or intention of recovery-is, however, fair game for anyone who comes across it.


There are many ways to avoid having the salvage taken before someone else legaly yoinks it....

Salvage as you kill
Have a Salvage alt
Assign a 'salvager' corp mate in your missioning group.

So wipe away those tears, blow your nose and reach into your trousers and see if you can find a pair!

This has been delt with.

RedSplat
Posted - 2009.01.30 12:58:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Nexus Kinnon

Yes, let's remove content from the game.


The kind that is a bug or a feature?

Oh and nerf falcons/cloaks/regional gates/pulse/Ammar/-10enteringempire/highsecmissions/BoB

sxndy
Gallente
Spiritus Draconis
Posted - 2009.01.30 13:19:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jint Hikaru
To the OP....

Do you actually know what the word 'salvage' means. Have you looked it up before coming here crying like a little girl who lost her dolly.

Try dictionary.com

Here I have quoted a section from Maritime Law for you -

Quote:
A derelict-a vessel found entirely deserted or abandoned without hope or intention of recovery-is, however, fair game for anyone who comes across it.


There are many ways to avoid having the salvage taken before someone else legaly yoinks it....

Salvage as you kill
Have a Salvage alt
Assign a 'salvager' corp mate in your missioning group.

So wipe away those tears, blow your nose and reach into your trousers and see if you can find a pair!

This has been delt with.


Dad is that you?

Malusae
Caldari
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Violent Society
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:04:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Malusae on 30/01/2009 14:04:34
When this happens to me, I typically a couple things depending on the situation..

If I had no intention of salvaging this mission (some just...aren't worth it), then I leave them be and let them at it.

If I am going to salvage the mission I'll warp out and let the rats go after them momentarily. Warp back in, and do this a few times till either he gives up, or I get frustrated enough that I just pop the wrecks.


Although, tbh, this hardly ever happens to me anymore since I have an alt that salvages for me while I run missions. This whole game is about adapting to the latest change and the latest challenge.

Much safer that way.

Oh, and just to note, I think the current system is fine. At least it gives a little more excitement during these level 4's.

Salliene
Gallente
Paktu Sjet Armada
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:27:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Salliene on 30/01/2009 14:28:26
I recently bought a Vexor and stuck 5 T2 mediums and 5 T2 light drones on it. Now instead of mucking about with Ninja Salvage I just warp into missions and start popping anything cruiser size and above while you tank the aggro for me.

The wrecks are still counted as yours though, but don't worry - I bookmark everything and come back later and steal some of the loot too (100MN MWD are almost a million ISK), and salvage if it was an Angel mission.




Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:29:00 - [29]
 

This will be dealt with. I, too, am a gay Templar, the Amarr Fighter.

Wat

Yashiri
The Scope
Posted - 2009.01.30 14:34:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
In before Tchell.

Oh, wait.




My name is Tchell Dahhn and I approve of this message
Cool


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