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Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:20:00 - [1]
 

Due to the drop in VAT in the UK are we due a refund of the VAT we have been paying on our Eve sub?

5pinDizzy
Amarr
Pillow Fighters Inc
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:21:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 25/01/2009 20:38:55
*misspelled stupid, oops. * Embarassed

I'd rather they never dropped the VAT in the first place.

As that's the point, retailers aren't changing their bloody prices anyway.

Loss in billions of tax revenue, for either no purchase change, or a pittance.

Stupid Government of ours.

HermanGelmet
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:24:00 - [3]
 

Yes, you get money back. There's a thread about it somewhere.

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:25:00 - [4]
 

quick to the forums to ask for pennys back!

Estel Arador
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:25:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Bosie
Due to the drop in VAT in the UK are we due a refund of the VAT we have been paying on our Eve sub?

Companies in countries in the EEA (or whatever it's called these days) can charge the VAT rate of the country they're based out of instead of the VAT of the country where the customer lives. You're paying Icelandic VAT.

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:27:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Bosie
Due to the drop in VAT in the UK are we due a refund of the VAT we have been paying on our Eve sub?

Companies in countries in the EEA (or whatever it's called these days) can charge the VAT rate of the country they're based out of instead of the VAT of the country where the customer lives. You're paying Icelandic VAT.


According to HMRC you pay the VAT rate of where you live not the company that supplies you.

Lothris Andastar
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:30:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Bosie
Originally by: Estel Arador
Originally by: Bosie
Due to the drop in VAT in the UK are we due a refund of the VAT we have been paying on our Eve sub?

Companies in countries in the EEA (or whatever it's called these days) can charge the VAT rate of the country they're based out of instead of the VAT of the country where the customer lives. You're paying Icelandic VAT.


According to HMRC you pay the VAT rate of where you live not the company that supplies you.
For physical good.

EVE is Digital Goods with no Real World Tangibale value.

Also, "Her Majesty" can go stick it where the sun don't shine.

VIVA LA REPUBLIC!

Estel Arador
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Bosie
According to HMRC you pay the VAT rate of where you live not the company that supplies you.


As has been said, that only applies to physical goods. You can read here that "VAT on services is paid at the place where the service has been supplied. This will most often, but not always, be where the service supplier is established."

Bosie
THE C0RP
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:43:00 - [9]
 

Eve is an Electronically Supplied Service and as such is subject to VAT. UK law goes on to state that the place of supply of services is the plalce where a service is treated as being supplied. This is the place where it is liable to VAT. As the servers that run the game are in the UK, does this mean we do get charged 15%?

Estel Arador
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:49:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Bosie
Eve is an Electronically Supplied Service and as such is subject to VAT. UK law goes on to state that the place of supply of services is the plalce where a service is treated as being supplied. This is the place where it is liable to VAT. As the servers that run the game are in the UK, does this mean we do get charged 15%?


Two things:

1) Please provide a link. I linked to a site from the European Commision, a link which was also used by Wrangler here. You have provided nothing to support your claim.

2) CCP is providing their service from Iceland. Where they get the stuff to provide that service (UK/US/China) is irrelevant.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2009.01.25 19:51:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: 5pinDizzy
As that's the point, retailers aren't changing their bloody prices anyway.


Don't even get me started. Neutral

Splender Jones
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:11:00 - [12]
 

Retailers are dropping prices and it's a pain in the rear.

I'm sick of buying stuff that costs 3.73 and being left with pockets full of coppers.

HermanGelmet
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:13:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Splender Jones
Retailers are dropping prices and it's a pain in the rear.

I'm sick of buying stuff that costs 3.73 and being left with pockets full of coppers.


Luckily it takes minimal effort to drop those coins in the street.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:33:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Splender Jones
I'm sick of buying stuff that costs 3.73 and being left with pockets full of coppers.


Well if you don't want them, can I... Embarassed Sad

Doctor Penguin
Amarr
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.25 20:37:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 25/01/2009 20:43:06
Sod the 2% you'll get back - because the Euro's gone down from 1.11 to the pound to 1.04 to the pound, you're actually going to be paying 6% more for your subscription this month! That mean's you'll be paying about 1 more than last month (even assuming an absolutely ideal exchange rate, it's 91p). Even if CCP refunded you, the effective saving for you in VAT for this month (again on an ideal exchange rate) would be 1p.

1p.

Dreamwalker
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2009.01.26 00:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Bosie
does this mean we do get charged 15%?


My lord, you pay tax of 15%!!!!

That is ****ING CRAZY, wow that really sucks for you. I like my country better because we let the population keep their money so they can spend it on hooker and blow.

USA for the win

Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
Posted - 2009.01.26 00:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Dreamwalker
Originally by: Bosie
does this mean we do get charged 15%?


My lord, you pay tax of 15%!!!!

That is ****ING CRAZY, wow that really sucks for you. I like my country better because we let the population keep their money so they can spend it on hooker and blow.

USA for the win



Right...


Anyway, forget about trying to get any money back OP. Just go to your local Zavvi, look at the "in administration" sign and weep sweet, sweet tears of loss Crying or Very sad

Napro
Caldari
Simplistic Syndicate
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2009.01.26 09:32:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Dreamwalker
Originally by: Bosie
does this mean we do get charged 15%?


My lord, you pay tax of 15%!!!!

That is ****ING CRAZY, wow that really sucks for you. I like my country better because we let the population keep their money so they can spend it on hooker and blow.

USA for the win


You've GOT to be joking.

Where do you think the 1 Trillion spent on the military the past 2 years came from?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2009.01.26 09:38:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Dreamwalker
Originally by: Bosie
does this mean we do get charged 15%?


My lord, you pay tax of 15%!!!!

That is ****ING CRAZY, wow that really sucks for you. I like my country better because we let the population keep their money so they can spend it on hooker and blow.

USA for the win


On the other hand we actually have some kind of consumer protection laws here.

Sade Onyx
Posted - 2009.01.26 09:44:00 - [20]
 

I might be wrong, but since CCP doesnt charge UK players in UK Sterling and instead use Euro, then our VAT Rate has nil impact on price.

But should have an impact on the price its charged at in the shops, however many retailers arnt passing on the vat reduction.

Camilo Cienfuegos
Earned In Blood
Posted - 2009.01.26 09:55:00 - [21]
 

Quote:
CCP is providing their service from Iceland. Where they get the stuff to provide that service (UK/US/China) is irrelevant.


This is false. CCP provide their service from London in the United Kingdom regardless of where their offices are; something tells me that the arrangement to host one of the biggest gaming clusters in the world is more than a simple colo...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2009.01.26 09:58:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 26/01/2009 09:59:00
Unless the drop is retroactive (which would be a historical thing), no.
You paid for and received the service at the going price, so why would you get a refund?

Dr Slaughter
Minmatar
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2009.01.26 09:58:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dreamwalker
USA for the win

Naturally you may require medical services after your hooker and blow.. how much does that cost you because here in the UK it's pretty much free.

Not that I like paying VAT or anything, but, USA != WIN for the reason of sales taxes.

Paxam Leratharn
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.01.26 11:10:00 - [24]
 

On a 15 euro /mnth subscription, change would be less than 32 euro cents.

I very much doubt that CCP are going to be changing their prices to reflect this. They'll probably up their price a little bit just to keep the overall number at the same level. That's what most shops do.

The change is not retroactive, so any charges made previous to 1st December last year will remain unchanged.

And to whoever said about 15% tax, no... we pay (currently) 15% on the majority of things we buy, and about 22-25% on our earnings. Sucks, no?

Georgina Eldridge
Posted - 2009.01.26 11:18:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Paxam Leratharn
On a 15 euro /mnth subscription, change would be less than 32 euro cents.

I very much doubt that CCP are going to be changing their prices to reflect this. They'll probably up their price a little bit just to keep the overall number at the same level. That's what most shops do.

The change is not retroactive, so any charges made previous to 1st December last year will remain unchanged.

And to whoever said about 15% tax, no... we pay (currently) 15% on the majority of things we buy, and about 22-25% on our earnings. Sucks, no?


You mean, we pay 15% VAT on goods and up to 45% tax on our earnings.

SentryRaven
KIA Corporation
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2009.01.26 11:20:00 - [26]
 

Sounds like Germany.... 19% VAT and up to 43% income tax? c/d?

Paxam Leratharn
Lone Star Joint Venture
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.01.26 11:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Georgina Eldridge
You mean, we pay 15% VAT on goods and up to 45% tax on our earnings.


Let's emmigrate to the Isle of Man? :D

Estel Arador
Posted - 2009.01.26 22:03:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos
Quote:
CCP is providing their service from Iceland. Where they get the stuff to provide that service (UK/US/China) is irrelevant.


This is false. CCP provide their service from London in the United Kingdom regardless of where their offices are; something tells me that the arrangement to host one of the biggest gaming clusters in the world is more than a simple colo...


Again a very definitive but completely unsourced statement. "Something tells you" that I'm wrong, while I simply quoted the European Commission. Note that the very short quote I provided clearly says "where the service supplier is established." Now please provide some credible source (other than your guts) which says that a server cluster is an exception to that rule.


 

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