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Arco Aristo
Posted - 2009.01.23 15:26:00 - [1]
 

Abaddon hands down but im just biased so that means I want to hear your thoughts

So post awayExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamationExclamation

Go Amarr

Jalif
Minmatar
Snuff Box
Posted - 2009.01.23 15:33:00 - [2]
 

Mealstrom, because I know how to :)

Caffeine Junkie
Alpha-Strike
Posted - 2009.01.23 15:34:00 - [3]
 

Assuming close range setups, max'd skills and T2 active tanks I think probably the Maelstrom because an Abaddon cannot sustain its cap. Even more so if the Maelstrom pilot has Crystals.

However plated Abaddon vs active Maelstrom I think the Abaddon would probably win.

Very hard to say without working out setups as Neuts would play a big role either way.

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.01.23 15:55:00 - [4]
 

In a 1 vs 1 situation, with both ships fitting specifically for each other?

Mael. It can change damage types, and tank much better than an Abaddon, even more so with crystals and other fun implants.

Out in space somewhere with normal PvP builds, probably the Abaddon, as you may have enough buffer to outlast the Mael's cap boosters.

Letifer Deus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.23 16:13:00 - [5]
 

as said above, active vs. active abaddon would lose in the end because it consumes cap boosters far more quickly. Passive vs. active is harder to say. Depends a lot on whether abaddon pilot has slaves and whether mael pilot has crystals or blue pill.

Graalum
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.23 16:36:00 - [6]
 

most likely the abaddon

Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2009.01.23 16:50:00 - [7]
 

most likely the mael.

/Riv

Ash Bringer
Posted - 2009.01.23 17:35:00 - [8]
 

Abaddon wins or warps away.

If Mael has tank it wont have point. If have point Abaddon will chew his tank :)

Letifer Deus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.23 17:35:00 - [9]
 

why don't you go on SISI and test it? =)

Amma Kudalkar
Amarr
Transcendents of New Eden
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2009.01.24 11:44:00 - [10]
 

The buffer fitted Abba will torture the Mael and kill it.Twisted Evil
The Abba can have a EHP of more than 450000 (Full Slave set) and can do a DPS of 550.
I really would pity the Mael pilot facing such a monsterous beast. It will be a slow painful way of losing his Mael.Crying or Very sad

DarkonRhoe
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.24 13:03:00 - [11]
 

1 vs 1 Is a close one between these two talking form experience.

Abaddon main problem is cap therefore running more than 1 rep is just not a good thing. I flew a plated fit with a single rep. 2 HS.

I this duel both ships where t2 fitted t1 rigged. The Mael won deep into structure and both ships where out of cap boosters. the mael storm used overheating a a blue pill. the abaddon only overheating (abaddon had the first 4 hg slave fitted though for a extra 4-5k armour)

I say these two and pretty well matched just make sure if you fly the abaddon to overheat your web and stay at that 13-15k range to reduce the damage output of the mael.


Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.01.24 13:38:00 - [12]
 

Mael hands down in any situation.

Nahzgul
Greater Order Of Destruction
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.01.25 00:51:00 - [13]
 

Mael wins a sparing match with no ewar. I took on my buddies mael when he didn't have bs V or t2 guns yet but everything else t2 and I couldn't beat him with a dual rep abaddon or buffer abaddon his tank and dps were just to good even at my optimal of 15k. Mael can't fit tackle and still beat an abaddon though and if the abaddon gives up tackle for Td's he should win.

The Djego
Minmatar
Hellequin Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.25 01:00:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: DarkonRhoe
1 vs 1 Is a close one between these two talking form experience.

Abaddon main problem is cap therefore running more than 1 rep is just not a good thing. I flew a plated fit with a single rep. 2 HS.

I this duel both ships where t2 fitted t1 rigged. The Mael won deep into structure and both ships where out of cap boosters. the mael storm used overheating a a blue pill. the abaddon only overheating (abaddon had the first 4 hg slave fitted though for a extra 4-5k armour)

I say these two and pretty well matched just make sure if you fly the abaddon to overheat your web and stay at that 13-15k range to reduce the damage output of the mael.




This, actualy many battles between fully skilled and solid fitted BS(including some Imps) are won by the Player that manges Modules, Overheating, Cap and Range/Transversial better in the end.

Petyr Baelich
Valar Morghulis.
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2009.01.25 05:03:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Nahzgul
Mael wins a sparing match with no ewar. I took on my buddies mael when he didn't have bs V or t2 guns yet but everything else t2 and I couldn't beat him with a dual rep abaddon or buffer abaddon his tank and dps were just to good even at my optimal of 15k. Mael can't fit tackle and still beat an abaddon though and if the abaddon gives up tackle for Td's he should win.

How can either of them "win" without tackle? Wouldn't you just run away? ugh

Spaztick
Terminal Impact
Kairakau
Posted - 2009.01.25 05:07:00 - [16]
 

Battleships should be flying with support like in real navies. Actually I wonder if anyone's tried real life navy tactics in game (a destroyer line protecting battleships for example).

Apoctasy
Lethal Injection.
Hedonistic Imperative
Posted - 2009.01.25 05:24:00 - [17]
 

Whoever has the falcon alt

Xzar Fyrarr
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.01.25 09:10:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Apoctasy
Whoever has the falcon alt

^

Stefan F
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.01.25 12:06:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Apoctasy
Whoever has the falcon alt


Curse would also do it, so would a logistics, so would a 2nd BS, etc.

nakKEDK
Gallente
Diabolus Ex Machina
The Amazing Onjoi and his Educated Rodents
Posted - 2009.01.25 12:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Stefan F
Originally by: Apoctasy
Whoever has the falcon alt


Curse would also do it, so would a logistics, so would a 2nd BS, etc.


but falcon would do better.

Xori Ruscuv
Multiversal Enterprise Inc.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2009.01.25 14:35:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: nakKEDK
but falcon would do better.

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2009.01.25 15:09:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Stefan F
Originally by: Apoctasy
Whoever has the falcon alt


Curse would also do it, so would a logistics, so would a 2nd BS, etc.


But this is the forums and we've got the whine about Falcons only!

Gavin Darklighter
Ministry of War
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:05:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 25/01/2009 17:08:39



I've yet to lose to an abaddon in my maelstrom, and that is with web/point fit. Thats with a LG set, with most of the abaddon pilots using HG slaves.

Originally by: Amma Kudalkar
The buffer fitted Abba will torture the Mael and kill it.Twisted Evil
The Abba can have a EHP of more than 450000 (Full Slave set) and can do a DPS of 550.
I really would pity the Mael pilot facing such a monsterous beast. It will be a slow painful way of losing his Mael.Crying or Very sad



Thats the wrong way to fight a maelstrom in an abaddon. If all you can do to the maelstrom is apply 500dps and wait, you will be slowly picked apart as he will tank you all day. You either need neuts or you need 3x heatsink and overloaded guns, but the gank approach will only work on a sup-par mael pilot.


Geddons normally give me a bit more of a challenge with their ability to combine DPS, HP, and a Neut.


Originally by: nakKEDK
Originally by: Stefan F
Originally by: Apoctasy
Whoever has the falcon alt


Curse would also do it, so would a logistics, so would a 2nd BS, etc.


but falcon would do better.


Pilot with falcon alt kills pilot with curse alt, logistics alt, or bs alt. You can't beat the falcon without more falcons.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2009.01.25 17:21:00 - [24]
 

You need to add some more factors, especially:
Do they know the fight is about to happen and have time to harden against the other.
What is the initial range?
etc.

Off hand the Abaddon has the better starting point so will probably win a random encounter, but could go either way, excellent ships both.


Nahzgul
Greater Order Of Destruction
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.01.26 03:47:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Petyr Baelich
Originally by: Nahzgul
Mael wins a sparing match with no ewar. I took on my buddies mael when he didn't have bs V or t2 guns yet but everything else t2 and I couldn't beat him with a dual rep abaddon or buffer abaddon his tank and dps were just to good even at my optimal of 15k. Mael can't fit tackle and still beat an abaddon though and if the abaddon gives up tackle for Td's he should win.

How can either of them "win" without tackle? Wouldn't you just run away? ugh



Stranger things have happened, not everyone pays attention to the icons and just assumes they are pointed it's quite funny to. But as I illustrated before in the case of fitting tackle the abaddon wins and some ppl just do friendly fights with corp mates for fun in those case I don't think there is a need to tackle their ship.

Spoon1
Gallente
Industry and Investments
Posted - 2009.01.26 03:53:00 - [26]
 

*sigh* because everyone fights 1v1 now days :)

Amma Kudalkar
Amarr
Transcendents of New Eden
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2009.01.26 06:54:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Amma Kudalkar on 26/01/2009 07:15:40
Edited by: Amma Kudalkar on 26/01/2009 07:12:04
Originally by: Gavin Darklighter
Edited by: Gavin Darklighter on 25/01/2009 17:08:39



I've yet to lose to an abaddon in my maelstrom, and that is with web/point fit. Thats with a LG set, with most of the abaddon pilots using HG slaves.

Originally by: Amma Kudalkar
The buffer fitted Abba will torture the Mael and kill it.Twisted Evil
The Abba can have a EHP of more than 450000 (Full Slave set) and can do a DPS of 550.
I really would pity the Mael pilot facing such a monsterous beast. It will be a slow painful way of losing his Mael.Crying or Very sad



Thats the wrong way to fight a maelstrom in an abaddon. If all you can do to the maelstrom is apply 500dps and wait, you will be slowly picked apart as he will tank you all day. You either need neuts or you need 3x heatsink and overloaded guns, but the gank approach will only work on a sup-par mael pilot.


Geddons normally give me a bit more of a challenge with their ability to combine DPS, HP, and a Neut.




The setup which I suggested for 550 Dps (without overheating), is with 2 Heavy Neuts in High.
Twisted Evil
Thats why I said the Abba will torture the Mael. With 0 cap and not very high DPS from Abba, the Mael pilot would really feel the pain, as his ship goes down slowly and he can do nothing about it (assuming no help is at hand).
Wink

Originally by: nakKEDK
Originally by: Stefan F
Originally by: Apoctasy
Whoever has the falcon alt


Curse would also do it, so would a logistics, so would a 2nd BS, etc.


but falcon would do better.


Pilot with falcon alt kills pilot with curse alt, logistics alt, or bs alt. You can't beat the falcon without more falcons.



Well the BS alt(Assuming he knows the Mael has Falcon Alt) would have the following setup -

Rokh (Falcon Killer)

Highs: 8 425 mm Prototype Gauss Guns

Mids: 1 Sensor Booster (Targeting Range)
3 ECCM Gravitometric 2
2 Tracking Computer (Optimal Range)

Lows: 1 Signal Amplifier 2
1 DC 2
1 Explosive Armour Hardner
1 Kinetic Armour Hardner
1 EANM 2

Rigs: 3 Trimarks

Bye Bye Falcon; atleast from this matchup.
Razz
And the Rokh would be far from the Mael so that it cannot be targeted.
Arrow



314159265
Posted - 2009.01.26 07:02:00 - [28]
 

without neuts, the maelstrom.
if they're both using neuts, well, probably the abaddon if it's bufferfitted...

Kayosoni
Caldari
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.26 08:10:00 - [29]
 

This is a really dumbass thread made by a dumbass poster.

OBVIOUSLY it depends on the setup used, pilot sp, pilot ability, other crap in and near the system...

Jesus.


 

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