open All Channels
seplocked EVE Information Portal
blankseplocked New Dev Blog: I can totally run that on my Amiga
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 8 9 10 11 [12] 13 14 15 16 ... : last (39)

Author Topic

AbudSeab
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:22:00 - [331]
 

Edited by: AbudSeab on 14/01/2009 05:23:25
Eve is the first game a ever see with two different graphic contents for same things instead of a detail level control.

Everyone who see me playing EVE in classic client already says it's beutifull... Why have you created premium graphics at all ?

The cooler of my notebook (an Asus F8Sseries) run as crazy when I simply start EVE. Even in station with no 3D graphics it's that way. It doesn't happen with counter-strike, unreal, quake, etc...

A lot of people I know (myself included) run EVE during his working time but keeps it in backgroup (autopiloting, checking orders, mining, or running mission semi-afk) so remember that it's not a question of how is the maximum capability a modern computer.

The main question is that EVE can't be an application that bother others most of time to a lot of people. I will stop to play if I can't run in a low end computer or if it bother my work.

I can easily find a lot of people that if polled about what content to finish will pick classic end finish with premium.

abud

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:25:00 - [332]
 

Dunno where you get these stats that 95% of people will have SM3 support. Doesn't seem that way to me.

That move will be mildly annoying.

Gaius Proeliator
Caldari
Echelon Aerospace Systems
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:28:00 - [333]
 

Please, please, PLEASE do not remove ShaderModel 2.0 support. While my desktop is more than capable of running premium content, my laptop does not have ShaderModel 3.0 support (it has an ATI Mobility Radeon X700). While I like the idea of Premium Lite, I believe removing ShaderModel 2.0 support would be a big mistake.

Aldiree Antima
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:29:00 - [334]
 

Edited by: Aldiree Antima on 14/01/2009 05:56:41
Edited by: Aldiree Antima on 14/01/2009 05:36:58
Dropping classic Client and SM 1.x is OK for me. I wouldn't like loosing my Laptop as eve-client! So SM 3.x is not OK.

Laptop with SM 2.0/128 MB Confused
Desktop with SM 4.1/256 MB Cool

I agree with economical/developer standpoint that two clients create more problems than benefits for EVE! MMOs needs to evolve, new technology should replace the old. The potential of EVE being a better game will rise.

IMHO dropping SM 2.x so fast is not a great move. The benefit seams to be much smaller and the restrictions for game designer and devs are not clear at this time.

Another stepping stone for dropping SM 2.x is the AGP/PCIe-Barrier for Desktops. Upgrading only the graphics card make often for this type systems not much sense, hence bang for your buck ratio is low and a total upgrade might not be feasible.

The change of minimum specs in December could generate a much larger uproar then this announcement, since new player need to upgrade only half a year they bought eve. I wouldn't like it for sure.

My wish list @CCP:

~ make a survey to gather enough samples to decide wisly
~ make the gathered information in right portions aviable to us. We seek to gain enlightenment for peace of our souls.
~ please delay dropping 2.x to summer 2010 or later
~ make mobile experience more fun. an eve-portable without 3d for skill switching, chat, eve-mail, trading and guild management.
~ invest some of your future resources for improvement of the IGB or kick this damn thing! It's slow like hell. It's no fun to wait 30 sec to render a simple eve optimized page. Practical unusable! Twisted Evil

Minud Distr
Minmatar
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:31:00 - [335]
 

Edited by: Minud Distr on 14/01/2009 05:32:39
Sure, my desktop have SM 3.0... but it also lags like hell with premium content. More specifically, I get decent FPS, but a lot of hiccups, making it unplayable. Now, this is not the right thread for trying to solve this, and I tried everything already anyway, but my point is: can we test that premium lite client soon? Right now I'm pretty skeptical about this. Having a machine with SM3 doesn't mean the client is going to run as well as classic.

Oh, and btw, this is just single-client. What about people dual (or more, eheh)-clienting ? Will that run well too ?

Ariel Acterus
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:34:00 - [336]
 

Originally by: Kessiaan
The flaming going on here is just silly.

Personally, I am a PC gaming enthusiast. I have a purpose-built, reasonably current gaming desktop and a cheap little laptop for on-the-go computing that gets the job done. These changes have zero overall impact on me.

But I realize not everyone has the same hobbies as me and for normal people spending $1000 or more every year on computer hardware isn't some they're going to be enthused about. They might (gasp) only see a need for a single computer and not want to upgrade it until it's so old that throwing it out and getting another one is a better deal. They might not even (again, GASP!) understand how to upgrade their systems piecemeal and not buy into overhyped products in order to save themselves some money.

This is why it's important for Eve to remain playable on as many systems as possible. While I'm 100% positive Eve has a much higher proportion of PC gaming enthusiasts among their population than, say, World of Warcraft, it's not reasonable to expect *everyone* to be that way.

In the end, we all play Eve to have fun. If CCP says they want to cut SM1 support because it's expensive and only 3% of the population will be forced to upgrade systems that even they have to know are hopelessly obsolete, I can get on board with that. Dropping SM2 though, especially when lots of low-end computers still ship with graphics that don't support SM3, is just not a good idea though, IMO.


You, sir, win the most rational post of day! :)

Marleau LeRoi
Caldari
Praetorian Freespace
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:42:00 - [337]
 

To everyone who can't or won't upgrade, what game are you going to play instead? Is there anything out there worth playing that actually supports such ancient stuff?

If dumping support for hardware that every other game manufacturer did long ago means that I get more updates (ie new planet/moon textures, fancy effects), then, well... sorry to see you leave.


Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:45:00 - [338]
 

Great you release this today after I paid for a year of service 2 days ago.....

I'm not sure my computer can run the new system had I known this before hand I would have paid by the month until I was sure.

I doubt my computer can run EVE after March 10th, and I doubt I can afford another computer :(. It's a 4 year old Dell :(. Sadly I'm at work and can't remember what video card it has.

If that's the case though I'm gonna have to demand a refund since you changed things with an announcement 2 days after I paid for a year subscription.

Edwardius
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:47:00 - [339]
 

So .....

I use my laptop to play eve, its holds an Intel G965-chipset.
Can anyone tell me what that means?
Will I be able to pley till March, till the winter, or longer?

Ed

Lorelei Lee
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:47:00 - [340]
 

Short: Please provide an option to turn textures off. Completely. End of request.

Long:
If you're messing with textures, can you please add this option, or as close to it as you can do without a major coding effort? I would love to have solid colors for each polygon, no lighting, no shading. If it makes a difference in FPS, I will even settle for wireframe, Elite-style. I have been asking for this since before there was a Premium client.

I have a GeForce 8600M GT driving a 1920x1280 monitor. This is a laptop, one year old. Technically it can support the fancy ShaderModel, but whenever I zoom in to my ship being shot at by a roomful of NPCs, my FPS drops below 5 (FIVE) -- with the Classic client and no other load on the machine. The 5 FPS includes the GUI, which means I have to fight while zoomed out far enough that I can't see what's going on.

The Candidate
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:48:00 - [341]
 

Edited by: The Candidate on 14/01/2009 05:51:23
Originally by: rValdez5987


To make better use of your analogy, I'm saying that I don't want people driving around old beaten up cars that cant follow the regulations set forth. I don't have a problem with people using old pcs so long as they understand that to continue to enjoy EVE they are going to have to upgrade.



Well, if you're going to say that... then might i point out that the regulatory laws SPECIFICALLY EXCLUDE old cars from certain requirements that were added on after the car's production year. best example i can think of right now is the seatbelt law. If you're not wearing a seatbelt, and a cop pulls you over, you get ticketed... unless your car was built before 1960s or 70s(forgot exact date).

EDIT: grammar, typo

Sean Roach
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:49:00 - [342]
 

Is your truck up to the newest California Emissions standards?
If not, take public transportation or walk.

EVE is a game. If it becomes something that a percentage of the playerbase have to shell out cash to continue enjoying, and that is the only reason to do so, they are likely to quit playing instead.

As for laptops being only for business... Computers are only for business, and big business at that. Just ask a string of ex IBM execs. I bought this laptop with the intention of playing EQII on it. I just can't justify spending more to replace it right now, and I don't want to anchor myself to a desk again. I use this thing everywhere. When my internet connection gets cranky, I log on from the library. When I'm in town, and don't want to drive 30 minutes home just to drive 30 minutes back for something else in town, I have my trusty, primary computer, laptop there.


In the end, yes, it's CCP's game, and they can exclude who they choose, but those here are basically saying they should reconsider that second move, as a lot of people are going to be inconvenienced more than they will tolerate. Some because they will no longer be able to use secondary machines for quick updates, or second accounts. Some because they will no longer be able to run multiple accounts on one machine. Some because the one computer they can afford, a major cash outlay, won't be able to handle the proposed changes for a monthly fee game, a periodic minor cash outlay.

Note, proposed changes, not the ones they said they will do, the ones they say they might do.
I skipped over a lot of posts in the middle, but it looks like the consensus is 1.0 can go, but please keep 2.0 around a bit longer.

Am I worried? Indirectly. My rig will handle 3.0, but it puts me that much closer to the edge.

The Candidate
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:51:00 - [343]
 

Originally by: Edwardius
So .....

I use my laptop to play eve, its holds an Intel G965-chipset.
Can anyone tell me what that means?
Will I be able to pley till March, till the winter, or longer?

Ed


You're all set for PS 3.0 :) no worries! tho... intel integrated graphics is almost always inferior to dedicated graphics cards... if you have a desktop, try getting a cheapo graphics card :P

TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:51:00 - [344]
 

I refuse to see CCP bullied into making an inferior graphics client, an inferior game.
CCP needs to move forward no matter how badly you want to go backward.

CCP cannot expect anyone to pay for a graphically inferior game.
People like bright shiney fluffy things. If you want wireframes and map less graphics play Asteroids and Wolfenstein 3d.


Seriously, its a NETbook.
Not a GAMEbook.

Ccp cannot help you wasted your money on hardware not intended for gaming or graphics accleration of anytype.

The only reason your NETbook has this graphics accleration in the first place is to support flash and activex on websites. You sir, bought the bare mininum hardware for surfing a webpage.

In all honesty, it is flipping amazing that eve runs perfectly fine on my PII500 with a Geforce Mx200.
Im willing to bet ISK it will even loadup and operate on a Pentium Pro.

The sad thing is the scam they used to sell you this wonderful netbook is the same scam you see in Jita all day long. Caldari Navy Raven 260mil isk!


Ultimately CCP will pickup more gamers than they will lose simply from a major graphics upgrade. These days to many people the "engine" running a game is more important than the game itself.

And to repeat the point already covered several times. You can upgrade any pc less than 5 years old to play new premium! For less than 100bucks!



Originally by: Xennith
posting from my acer aspire one, while lying in bed and just before i quickly change a skill over.

am i going to be able to skillchange with my netbook once you do this, or are you considering allowing us to change skills via api if not?

Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:56:00 - [345]
 

Originally by: Edwardius
So .....

I use my laptop to play eve, its holds an Intel G965-chipset.
Can anyone tell me what that means?
Will I be able to pley till March, till the winter, or longer?

Ed


I believe that has Shader 3.0 so I think your okay, but not 100% sure. You should be fine for the March change in any event.

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:58:00 - [346]
 

Edited by: Kessiaan on 14/01/2009 06:04:18
Also, the premium client uses your GPU. The classic client, for the most part, is a software renderer.

Therefore it stands to reason that if the upgrade from Classic to Premium Lite is done intelligently the low-end systems that even Classic runs like a dog on will see some performance improvement.

Personally, if I were CCP, it wouldn't call it premium-anything, I would have just said "We're dropping SM1 support from the classic client and implementing some performance improvements from the Premium Client" and left it at that.

As for all the people saying "You can upgrade or build a new PC that can run the current premium client cheap!" - you're absolutely correct that it can be done, but if you tell someone to open their PC you're already beyond the skill level of the majority of PC users. Telling someone to build a new box from scratch just isn't going to happen, and Dell and HP aren't going to sell them a budget system that will run Eve well - they don't make $$$ doing that. They'll sell you a budget system that can sort of run Vista and Office, and they'll sell you a $3000 gaming system that you can build yourself for half that that can run everything under the sun at the moment, but you're not going to find much inbetween.

The Candidate
Posted - 2009.01.14 05:58:00 - [347]
 

Originally by: TripodAl
I refuse to see CCP bullied into making an inferior graphics client, an inferior game.
CCP needs to move forward no matter how badly you want to go backward.

CCP cannot expect anyone to pay for a graphically inferior game.
People like bright shiney fluffy things. If you want wireframes and map less graphics play Asteroids and Wolfenstein 3d.


Seriously, its a NETbook.
Not a GAMEbook.

Ccp cannot help you wasted your money on hardware not intended for gaming or graphics accleration of anytype.

The only reason your NETbook has this graphics accleration in the first place is to support flash and activex on websites. You sir, bought the bare mininum hardware for surfing a webpage.

In all honesty, it is flipping amazing that eve runs perfectly fine on my PII500 with a Geforce Mx200.
Im willing to bet ISK it will even loadup and operate on a Pentium Pro.

The sad thing is the scam they used to sell you this wonderful netbook is the same scam you see in Jita all day long. Caldari Navy Raven 260mil isk!



Right... that exactly why every netbook advertisement says "MADE FOR GAMING!!!!!!111111"

most people buy netbooks for simple tasks, not necessarily gaming... but EVE, being one of the more enjoyable games still run-able on netbook hardware, it is understandable that they would like to keep that function. Yes, the buyers were aware of their limitations, but no, it doesn't mean they can't try to play a game you play with your gaming hardware.

And seriously?
Originally by: TripodAl
I refuse to see CCP bullied into making an inferior graphics client, an inferior game.
CCP needs to move forward no matter how badly you want to go backward.

Would you prefer Crysis style graphics, where no one can run? Hey, CCP shouldn't be bullied into making an inferior graphics client, says you...

Tho, it has occurred to me that this was probably a troll anyways...


TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:02:00 - [348]
 

Originally by: Threv Echandari
Originally by: Digital Anarchist
If you want to force us to use new hardware, at least give us an option to run wireframe graphics. No need to fork and maintain 2 codebases, just the option to strip more graphics stuff if we want to.


THIS ^^
I have a an HP 1100 tablet that I use when I'm traveling and at the office to change skills and chat and maybe mine or haul with for my second account. The Classic client is the only thing that runs on the GeForce GO integrated video. I think you are going to have a lot of laptop users who are stuck with ****ty Intel Video that can barely run the classic client even on newer hardware. So yeah, while this change won't affect my main rig, many road warriors out there who can't upgrade are going to get screwed.

So Yes wireframe mode please we dont need no fancy graphics...




Hey! If you can afford a $2000 tablet pc, you can afford a $1300 acer with a geforce 9800 and a 17" lcd.

TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:05:00 - [349]
 

This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.

Regards,
The EVE Online Moderation team

Nyterra
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:05:00 - [350]
 

While I think its neat that my netbook (Atom N270 and GMA 945 pushing a 1024 x 600 LCD; an Dell Inspiron Mini 9 for those that care) can run the classic client, and want to continue to be able to do skill changes using it even if most everything is too big to dispay on the screen properly, I understand the need to drop low end support.

I agree with dropping < SM2, but I think SM2 support should be maintained for at least all of 2009, if not most of 2010. Things change fast in the computer hardware world, so something might happen to make this discussion moot, but at the same time I wouldn't hold my breath on it, and I believe that SM2 systems will still be in the a large chunk of the player base a year from now.

Alxea
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:08:00 - [351]
 

Edited by: Alxea on 14/01/2009 06:19:39
Seriously, even Geforce 6's... are midevil old tech. I can't imagine using some hardware that old thats not even close to standard onboard video anymore. You can buy ram for $20 2Gig's of ram, a cpu for $30 or $50 for a dual core and a mobo with onboard video that will laugh at a Geforce 5 video card. Standard onboard video is HD 3000/2000 and Geforce 7/8 series graphics. And this game doesn't take much to run. Not even that. Those are about $50 boards.

If you can afford to pay for this game with 2 or more accounts its hard to believe you cant spend about $100 to upgrade your desktop that would run laps over your past hardware. Computer parts are so cheap now they are practically giving away parts. Even a ATI 1K is a really old card series those cards on ebay don't cost much of anything anymore. I don't see why people are "B"ing about CCP making the standard min requierments higher when they are trying to run Eve on EOL parts that died off like 7 years ago.

Its not CCP's fault, like most game companies you can't play the newest games on stuff that came out 7 years go. GL on something like crysis on your dino parts, the dino will just choke. LOL

Try playing City of Heroes on antiques and then whine about EVE, seriously, EVE's sys reqs are not going to be that bad.

Karl Birkensen
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:10:00 - [352]
 

Quatro NVS 140 with Shadermodel 4 support on a laptop. CCP I'm looking forward to seeing the new 'lite' client and I expect that I will use it almost all the time as I currently run the classic client almost exclusively. Thanks for the great game and amazing graphics.

Jeune
The Scope
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:14:00 - [353]
 

It's interesting to note how people are complaining about a five year old game not running on 2 year old hardware. Eve is evolving... and will have to continue to do so to survive. If Eve doesn't evolve we won't have to worry about this discussion in a couple years time. Any 5 year old game that has survived with a decent player base has increased its minimum requirements during that time. Some may say "WoW hasn't." To that I say: "WoW looks like crap because of it and has for some time now. Even the mighty, unbeatable WoW has increased the minimum requirements with recent expansions."

CCP is running a business. Whether we like it or not they have to make decisions that will advance Eve as a game and possibly MMO's as a whole. They already have one of (if not THE) most advanced gaming clusters on the planet.

With the loss of SM1 they stand to lose a few current subscribers, but that is easily offset by simplified development and reduced overhead. This alone should make for less bugs in updates and more content.
SM2 is a tougher pill to swallow. I agree that CCP should poll either via a forum poll or through the client before making that decision. At least let SM3 penetrate the market more.

I don't say this because I'm worried about minimum requirements. I say it because I don't want CCP to screw over a large portion of their current and potential player base.

Asus P5Q-E
E8400 @ 4.2 GHz
8GB DDR2
2x Sapphire 4870 790/1100 (Please fix CrossFire support)
2x VelicoRaptor 150
2x WD7500AAKS

Ron Bacardi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:18:00 - [354]
 

Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 14/01/2009 06:20:27
1. rvaldez...i love you
2. to ccp...sounds awesome
3. to whiners...play less Eve, get another/better job, use extra $ to buy new computer or graphics card, play more Eve.
4. and to the peeps playing 8 accounts simultaneously, jesus christ, I would expect you to have a gaming rig.

TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:19:00 - [355]
 

Originally by: The Candidate[quote=TripodAl
I refuse to see CCP bullied into making an inferior graphics client, an inferior game.
CCP needs to move forward no matter how badly you want to go backward.

Would you prefer Crysis style graphics, where no one can run? Hey, CCP shouldn't be bullied into making an inferior graphics client, says you...

Tho, it has occurred to me that this was probably a troll anyways...





Seriously, crysis works on current hardware. kthx

Pliauga
Gallente
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:28:00 - [356]
 

First of, sorry tl;dr.

My main gaming rig can pull premium just fine.
But I do have a laptop problem. You see I use a laptop to flip skills when away from home (that is most of the time), and fliping skills is all (all eve related) I do with that laptop. So if I can't run eve on it, I won't be able to flip skills.

Suggestions:

A special version of the client for skill flipping without ANY advanced graphics.
Skill queue.Very Happy


And just a final thought: I realise that what CCP do, they do for the improovment of EVE, but alienating even a minor part of the playerbase due to TECHNICAL LIMITATIONS is a big no no.

Yours trully
Pli.


Jean Dessaut
DEATHFUNK
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:39:00 - [357]
 

Edited by: Jean Dessaut on 14/01/2009 06:50:10
Edited by: Jean Dessaut on 14/01/2009 06:49:17
Originally by: Digital Anarchist
If you want to force us to use new hardware, at least give us an option to run wireframe graphics. No need to fork and maintain 2 codebases, just the option to strip more graphics stuff if we want to.


Signed.

Half the reason for lag in big fleet battles is the client struggling to keep up with all the models floating around. We need to be able to strip down to the bare minimum for critical PvP.

To put this in perspective: My laptop, bought less than a year ago, has a GeForce 8400M GS. It does Pixel Shader 4, so compatibility isn't the worry. However, I already find I have to drop all graphics settings to the minimum on the classic client for combat (and especially some complexes) to keep the frame rate above 40.

TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:42:00 - [358]
 

Originally by: Mikalya
Originally by: rValdez5987
oh christ from reading this thread, I can already see the fail in it. This will be the last time I post in here because Im seriously getting ****ed off.

Its not CCP's fault that your stupid *** bought a laptop rather then a desktop which is CHEAPER and can be upgraded.

Its not CCP's fault that your married, have children, and your wife has you wrapped around her finger. TBH if thats how your living, quit eve, its not something you can realistically afford.

It's not CCP's fault that money is tight for you. If its really that tight that you cant upgrade your pc at any given time, please stop gaming. Its a hobby that you frankly cannot afford.

Im sorry to be rude like this, But Im sick and tired of people *****ing and trying to stop progress of everything because they are too lazy, too stupid, or lack the control over their own life to take charge, do whats gotta be done, and get a working and up to date box to game on.


Wow, you seriously should take some anger management classes Cool

The laptop is 1.5 years old, a "gift" from my position at work. It wasn't cheap, it wasn't junk. It is plenty powerful enough to run about anything I need/use it for. But it, like almost all laptops more than a year old, DOES NOT support shader 3. You would be fascinated how many desktops don't either Wink

So the question remains: Does CCP want to be even a more niche game requiring hardware components that a large number of their potential clients cannot meet, or will they understand that the economy is in the tank and people aren't going to upgrade equipment just to play a game? Obsidian took the "You need XX specs to play" with NWN 2 about 2 years ago; its sad that NWN1 is STILL outselling NWN2, and has almost 10 times the number of players online at any time. Sad considering its an 8 year old game compared to a 2 year old game....

And yes, prettier graphics is why Obsidian did it. Pretty graphics mean nothing if you can't play and can't afford to replace the equipment to allow you to.



1. Neverwinter Nights 1 was a better game.
2. You got a work laptop for work. Buy a gaming laptop for gaming. These are not the same.


When I bought my laptop I did the research to make sure I got the newest possibly graphics technology I could afford. and 4 years later my Laptop still plays EVE beautifully. All for the tidy sum of 1300.

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:51:00 - [359]
 

Quote:
(along with being an awesome game on a single server)


Ah, that explains alot. I mean that SINGLE SERVER stuff because last nite in lowsec, normal and equal 64 man blob engaged our 20 man blob and lag was unbearable! So you admit that you run on SINGLE server? I got some old Xeon servers, where can I donate them?

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2009.01.14 06:53:00 - [360]
 

The big issue for me is that the Classic client gets 3 hours of battery life on my laptop (Lenovo T61p w/ NVidia Quadro), while premium mode will suck my battery dry in 40 minutes, in fact the current draw for the high end graphics catches the OS by surprise and I don't even get a 'save your work now' prompt, it just dies without getting a chance to suspend to disk.

Oh, and when it's running in premium mode I have to be careful because it can easily get too hot, whereupon it'll either
a) burn me
b) shut down
c) spew corrupted graphics over my desktop


Anyway, while this is an extreme example, the fact is that laptop sales are holiding up better than desktops, and many laptops are still shipping with grpahics hardware that isn't up to the task of running SM3 graphics engines.




Pages: first : previous : ... 8 9 10 11 [12] 13 14 15 16 ... : last (39)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only