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Posted - 2009.01.13 18:36:00 - [1]
 

EVE Online: Apocrypha is more than just wormholes and Tech 3 customizable ship technology. Our newest expansion is yet another step towards making sure EVE Online stays at the bleeding edge of available graphics without making unacceptable performance sacrifices.

With EVE Online: Apocrypha, we want to phase out our Classic client for the new Premium Lite version, an improved, lower-end client that will make sure players with lower-end machines can enjoy the same beautiful visuals as others. We would like you to read our newest blog on the matter, and then provide us feedback in this thread. Your input will help us map out the future of EVE Online graphics.

PJRiddick
Gallente
Posted - 2009.01.13 18:40:00 - [2]
 

Amiga 4000 / 040 16 meg of ram / cybergraphisc,...will that run it?

Just joking,...im an AMIGA user.
>R<

Ryuga VonRhaiden
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.13 18:50:00 - [3]
 

I've got a ZX Spectrum, will it be able to run 2 clients or i'm stuck to a single instance? Razz

Gerome Doutrande
Posted - 2009.01.13 18:57:00 - [4]
 

Are you also considering laptops when looking a sm 2/3 support? What would be the implications for those when going to sm 2 and especially sm 3? (Imagine a generic remark about laptops selling better than "proper PCs" here.)

Kaya Divine
Gallente
Kittens Factory
Posted - 2009.01.13 18:59:00 - [5]
 

"making ShaderModel 2 (GeForce FX (5 series) or ATi R300 series cards or compatible) the minimum requirement and discontinue the "Classic client" version of EVE, replacing it with "Premium Lite""

Yet another CCP failure. I do hope that you will get alot of new players, because you will for sure lose huge chunk.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:00:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Batolemaeus on 13/01/2009 19:09:09
Actually think i might make a long reply later, but for now, this will be enough:

<3

Reason why i post this is mostly the utter confusion about classic, premium, and premium running classic (!, not the same as classic!) among people. And if even i can afford a sm2 capable card, so can probably everyone else. (The price of even a sm3 capable card is currently less than a 60d gtc)

Eve might not run on some laptops though..

Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:02:00 - [7]
 

My second account runs on a P4 2.4ghz with a GeForce 4 ti2400 card. If the GeForce 4 series no longer works, I'll have to see if I can borrow my neighbor's old Fx-5200 that he has collecting dust on a shelf.

Asharee Intrefer
Their Damnedest Day
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:02:00 - [8]
 

I was happy to find that I could have one account sitting on the old Radeon 7500-equipped Thinkpad I just got for free. Guess that didn't last too long.

Couldn't you make an option to run the client without textures and stuff... you know, to get a bit of that Elite feel. Laughing

mr bighelmet
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:03:00 - [9]
 

It's true that SM2 been around for some time but there quite a few people who run Eve using onboard carg and if i remember right SM2 become the standard only 3 years ago.

Andrue
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:05:00 - [10]
 

If we could just render the inside of a station with environment loading disabled it would be useful. That way people relying on slightly crappy laptops can still chat to friends from their hotel room and change skills.

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:06:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Gone''Postal on 14/01/2009 19:25:00
but my amiga can't run eve :(


Checking the hardware I have, this nolonger sounds goodCrying or Very sad

1 desktop running 2 clients (classic as pre looks like **** and has **** poor framerates) it's the only game that appears to stress my rig)

2 laptops IBM R61's with 1 client each, right now, I can kiss 3 clients bye bye with this.

thanks.. You saved me some cash.

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:07:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Andrue
If we could just render the inside of a station with environment loading disabled it would be useful. That way people relying on slightly crappy laptops can still chat to friends from their hotel room and change skills.


This option would be nice tbh.

Digital Anarchist
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:08:00 - [13]
 

If you want to force us to use new hardware, at least give us an option to run wireframe graphics. No need to fork and maintain 2 codebases, just the option to strip more graphics stuff if we want to.

Jai Cee
M. Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:10:00 - [14]
 

Pretty big fail to me, I can't upgrade my laptops graphics card so I guess I'm not able to sub after March 10th? I might be able to get a spare laptop about however that won't be supported after December so why keep up the sub?

To think I had just been tempted back after the 5 day offer too :(

Aethrwolf
Caldari
Podrratu
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:13:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: mr bighelmet
It's true that SM2 been around for some time but there quite a few people who run Eve using onboard carg and if i remember right SM2 become the standard only 3 years ago.



laptop user here.. mines about 4 years old now and there is no way I'm gonna be ABLE to upgrade any time soon.. talking years here. CCP needs to take a look at how the economy worldwide is affecting their customers too. I realize you guys need to cut costs, but requiring what could end up being a significant portion of your player base to upgrade their hardware just wont work.. too many ppl are financially strapped atm.

with ghost training gone the way of the dodo and now making it harder for ppl to run multiple clients, how many of your players are gonna just say no to having multiple accounts?

John Quicksilver
Caldari
The Caldari Confederation
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:13:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Digital Anarchist
If you want to force us to use new hardware, at least give us an option to run wireframe graphics. No need to fork and maintain 2 codebases, just the option to strip more graphics stuff if we want to.




I would be interested in seeing a wireframe version of EVE.


Someone make it happen!

Gidgiddonah
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:15:00 - [17]
 

I'm just a single datapoint, but probably representative of a lot of users: Athlon XP 2700, 1 GB of RAM, Geforce FX 5200, and running on Ubuntu 8.10. I run the native Linux client with Classic graphics, and my friends are amazed at how good it looks; I can't wait to see what Premium Lite looks like. It's nice to have a heads-up from CCP regarding what hardware will be supported, I'm glad that it looks like my existing hardware will still run Eve, hopefully at no less than my current 4 fps during missions :)

CCP Zulu

Posted - 2009.01.13 19:17:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Gerome Doutrande
Are you also considering laptops when looking a sm 2/3 support? What would be the implications for those when going to sm 2 and especially sm 3? (Imagine a generic remark about laptops selling better than "proper PCs" here.)


We are in fact considering laptops, most new onboard Intel cards support SM2 or SM3 (the GMA series as per here)


Belliana
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:18:00 - [19]
 

Video cards are cheap as hell, and laptops keep dropping in price. It's also been common knowledge for years that if you want to play games on a laptop then you need to spend a little money and get a good one.

The tears on here about not being able to play a graphics based game on ancient hardware are so sweet. Spend a little money and get up to date and quit the crying. You've got at least 10 months to do so.

Spindeln
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:18:00 - [20]
 

If "Direct cost of maintaining old junk" + "Indirect cost of players with good **** getting worse experience due to limitations imposed by backwards compatibility and/or resources not spent on sexeh upgrades" > "Revenue from players using old junk" then drop support for old junk.
Else wait 6 months and try again.

I've been on the bad end of the stick myself with crappy computers, and I know it sucks. But in the end technology moves forward, and so will both the preferred and minimum specs of any game that intends to live on.

Shader 2.0 AGP cards cost the equivalent of roughly 2 months of EVE time, 3.0 around 5. If this becomes reality in a year they will be even less. And then I haven't looked at ebay or similar places for non-new stuff.

Meat Missle
Amarr
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:19:00 - [21]
 

Why doesn't CCP form a list of everyones system specs?

Build a small second program that will automatically take the DirectX Diagnostic output and place it into a .txt file that dumps to the users desktop. Then either have them email the contents or have the same program send the data to a server for processing?

If you want an example, the Guild Wars game client has a debug button that, when clicked, gathers a massive report on all system specs to send to ArenaNet. The client is available for free download off www.guildwars.com ( no im not trying to advertise another game, just providing help ).






Jalxan
Caldari
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:19:00 - [22]
 

My laptop has an Intel 950 graphics card. Right now my laptop will not run Premium, and if Lite won't work either, then you're going to lose me as a subscriber (which would be a real shame).

Personally, I'd keep Classic. Or else, reconfigure Lite to work on even lower shader levels so that way older cards can compete. This system has enough trouble as it is running two clients, so I really hope this doesn't take my laptop out of the running.

However, if this does come to pass, is there any chance that the Classic art assets could be released to the public domain? This could do two things:

1. Give people the chance to mod (say Homeworld 2 or Star Trek Armada as an RTS example, or Freespace 2 for an X-Wing-ish simulation example) or some other space based game. This would make producing an Eve-based mod blatantly easy. This would give Eve an unprecedented free advertising advantage (not to mention give you an idea how good or bad Eve would translate into another genre). A lot of magazines and websites would pick up their creation, and get people interested in the mods, and through that, the actual Eve client itself.

2. Give Eve fansite builders the ability to create new high-quality 2D website assets without resorting to screenshots.

I think it's a great idea. As they are not needed anymore, I say, why not?

Sprobe
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:19:00 - [23]
 

just reading the title makes me remeber very very good old days

... and a top noth OS

Amiga forever

Phantom Slave
Universal Pest Exterminators
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:22:00 - [24]
 

Will overview settings be removed from classic client users? Or will they transfer over to Premium lite without issues? If not, what steps can be taken to ensure a smooth transition without having a portion of the population to have to redo everything on their UI?

Morgan La'Chance
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:22:00 - [25]
 

DO NOT DISCONTINUE SUPPORT OF SM 2.0 LATER

Just when we get acceptable large fleet battles due to less server lag, you're gonna make them into slideshows?

Ambassador Delenn
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:24:00 - [26]
 

While I expect a very small minority will vocally oppose this change the majority of the player base will be impressed when the change happens.

Most Eve players play other games as well and have hardware that far exceeds the minimum spec and would love to see more attention focused on improving the graphics for them. I also appreciate the premium light client for running multiple clients

A well intentioned change, with a very clear explanation of the thought process behind it, exactly the way CCP should do it.

Sprobe
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:26:00 - [27]
 

WTF - will I still be able to use my Acer Aspire netbook to watch the market and switch skills?? Don't make me throw away my netbook!

Omber Zombie
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:27:00 - [28]
 

I'm in the somewhat lucky position to have a laptop capable of running premium, but I run classic atm anyway. The reason for that is classic eats the battery fairly heavily as it is, I shudder to think how bad premium would be. Yes, I could just 'plug it in' but I'm one of those stubborn people that think laptops are for using while not sitting at your desk...

Phantom Slave
Universal Pest Exterminators
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:27:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Jalxan
My laptop has an Intel 950 graphics card. Right now my laptop will not run Premium, and if Lite won't work either, then you're going to lose me as a subscriber (which would be a real shame).

Personally, I'd keep Classic. Or else, reconfigure Lite to work on even lower shader levels so that way older cards can compete. This system has enough trouble as it is running two clients, so I really hope this doesn't take my laptop out of the running.

However, if this does come to pass, is there any chance that the Classic art assets could be released to the public domain? This could do two things:

1. Give people the chance to mod (say Homeworld 2 or Star Trek Armada as an RTS example, or Freespace 2 for an X-Wing-ish simulation example) or some other space based game. This would make producing an Eve-based mod blatantly easy. This would give Eve an unprecedented free advertising advantage (not to mention give you an idea how good or bad Eve would translate into another genre). A lot of magazines and websites would pick up their creation, and get people interested in the mods, and through that, the actual Eve client itself.

2. Give Eve fansite builders the ability to create new high-quality 2D website assets without resorting to screenshots.

I think it's a great idea. As they are not needed anymore, I say, why not?


Intel GMA950 supports SM 2.0, so you will be able to run Premium Lite.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.01.13 19:31:00 - [30]
 

Step 2: In the Winter Expansion 2009 we are considering discontinuing support for ShaderModel 2 and make the minimum specification ShaderModel 3(GeForce 6 class cards or ATi x1300 or compatible)


this seems silly CCP, why would you make older laptop unable to run anything?

as I see it now, this change might have a sliver lining you aren't thinking of. Being able to remove normal maps will increase fleet fight fps. NOw I for one run prem at 100 fps, but anything I can turn off for fleet fights is a HUGE yes please.

So honestly, don't give us something like the ability to turn off settings while still using our graphics card. (right now classic gives me LESS fps wtf) It sounds like this new prem lite would give me more fps.

Also don't forget the whole ATI thing, some ATI cards which can run games like bioshock, don't have SM3 due to a stupid contract thing. You'll have to keep SM2 support until those cards are too old to matter anymore.

Finally, does this mean we'll get an SM4 version for those sexy normal maps someday?


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