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WheatGrass
Silent but Friendly
Posted - 2009.01.12 08:56:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: WheatGrass on 18/01/2009 19:25:44
Edited by: WheatGrass on 12/01/2009 09:26:52
What's the first thing a person must do once the Windows 7 Beta (64 bit) is installed? Install Eve-Online Premium, of course! Very Happy

I'm not sure why but Premium looks even more premium on this new OS. Serious! I don't know why but it's absolutely Great! (Edit: Perhaps DirectX10 has something to do with it.)

The Eve install went ok. There were the typical Windows authorization warnings at an annoyance level somewhere between XP and Vista.

I did have difficulty launching Eve once installed. At first I tried launching it from the "All Programs | Games" menu. That didn't work. I then clicked on the Start Menu Games link. A "Set up game updates and options" dialog appeared which, once completed, allowed Eve to run from the "All Programs | Games" menu, a desktop shortcut, and also via the Games link.

I'm using dual ATI 3870 video cards in crossfire mode. Problems were encountered getting them to work correctly with the Windows Update. To resolve this, the Windows Vista driver was downloaded directly from AMD and installed. After a reboot and enabling of crossfire in the catalyst control center, the graphics worked fine and apparently even better than on Win XP Pro x64.

Other annoyances included the Windows 7 installer not recognizing either of my SCSI/SATA/RAID controllers. As a result, the OS is installed on a slow IDE drive rather on a SATA drive or on my four disk SATA 3Gp/s RAID 0. After the OS install, the eSATA controller was enabled via Windows update. Now that I've gathered the drivers via the device manager, they will go onto a floppy. That way I can reinstall the OS at least to a single 3Gp/s SATA drive by feeding the drivers to the installer during installation.

MS could take some tips from the Ubuntu folks regarding device support but they definitely are ahead of the pack in terms of graphics.

Edit: Updated image links

Yuko Anekohji
Epsilon Lyr
Tau Ceti Federation
Posted - 2009.01.12 21:50:00 - [2]
 

Im also running eve on Windows 7 now and im telling you it is indeed stellar.

Didnt have the same problems as you had though, weirdly enough. Installed properly, and starts up properly.

Windows 7 is pretty much awsome.

Esphere
Posted - 2009.01.12 22:46:00 - [3]
 

Well I tried it out but the premium client was looking for some directx 9 files ..

John McDuff
Caldari
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
Posted - 2009.01.13 00:47:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Esphere
Well I tried it out but the premium client was looking for some directx 9 files ..


Same here, i copied the dx9 premium client from my XP partition and its clearly not suitable for dx10.

Quote:

Failed to find an install of d3dc9_35.dll. An attempt was made to run the installer for this file but this doesn't seem to have addressed the problem. Possibly the current user does not have privileges to install software onto this computer. Do you want to continue?



"Yes" throws the same error. Got full user rights.

Is there a way to make a dx9 client compatible with Windows 7 (or Vista i'd expect for that matter) without having to download the whole client installer again?

Khlitouris RegusII
Posted - 2009.01.13 05:18:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Yuko Anekohji
Im also running eve on Windows 7 now and im telling you it is indeed stellar.

Didnt have the same problems as you had though, weirdly enough. Installed properly, and starts up properly.

Windows 7 is pretty much awsome.


same here but as w7 is just an enhanced vista not surprising.

Phantom Slave
Universal Pest Exterminators
Posted - 2009.01.13 06:05:00 - [6]
 

I had issues with Win 7 and eve. The game would freeze up while doing mundane things like trying to warp, dock, undock, and even sometimes when somebody jumped through a gate I was getting ready to jump through or warp away from. I uninstalled Win 7 shortly thereafter. Can't give up my eve!

Khlitouris RegusII
Posted - 2009.01.13 08:12:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Phantom Slave
I had issues with Win 7 and eve. The game would freeze up while doing mundane things like trying to warp, dock, undock, and even sometimes when somebody jumped through a gate I was getting ready to jump through or warp away from. I uninstalled Win 7 shortly thereafter. Can't give up my eve!


theres no need to eve works flawlessly with windows 7.

Lagkills
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.01.13 12:25:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Lagkills on 13/01/2009 17:58:06
Edited by: Lagkills on 13/01/2009 12:34:26
To solve much problems with EVE and another DX9 games in Windows 7 Beta x64
Premium graphics and nvidia quadro fx1600 mobile (HP 8710W)

Install DX9 WebSetup

and it might work little better Twisted Evil

EDIT:

Now installed Windows 7 x64 for my primary computer.
NVidia GF9800GTX+ / QuadCore Q6600 / SB Audigy 2 ZS Pro...

Needed install that DX9 websetup.. And eve worked like charm.

Only problems i have countered this far was only with TeamSpeak.
Those was fixed with modded SB Audigy drivers.
Default Windows 7 audigy drivers seems to be from year 2006. Shocked

Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.01.13 21:28:00 - [9]
 

Windows 7 64bit here 7000 build.

geforce 7300 (laptop so impossible to upgrade but hey works great anyway)

Installed the beta, installed EVE. Both run perfectly with zero glitches in windowed or full screen, classic or premium enabled.

As for the OS, loving it.

Aero Zolic
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.14 17:21:00 - [10]
 

Is it possible to do upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7?
Too lazy to backup stuff and format the drive to test out beta.

Sherazade Le'Slut
Posted - 2009.01.14 17:22:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Sherazade Le''**** on 14/01/2009 17:25:42
Edited by: Sherazade Le''**** on 14/01/2009 17:23:55
Quote:
Is it possible to do upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7?
Too lazy to backup stuff and format the drive to test out beta.

at least setup offered me an upgrade on vista64 when inserting the dvd. unsure if it works, i installed on a 3rd partition.

after i redistributed dx9 it finally worked and i could start it

i use xp64, vista64 and seven64, and i can't tell where the magic is, but it runs way way waaaaay smoother than with the older OSes (though 60fps there too). stuff looks more plastic than before and the whole image is more 'quiet' than before, if you get me

edit: heh. dam board censors my name :)

Aero Zolic
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.14 17:33:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Sherazade Le'****
Edited by: Sherazade Le''**** on 14/01/2009 17:25:42
Edited by: Sherazade Le''**** on 14/01/2009 17:23:55
Quote:
Is it possible to do upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7?
Too lazy to backup stuff and format the drive to test out beta.

at least setup offered me an upgrade on vista64 when inserting the dvd. unsure if it works, i installed on a 3rd partition.

after i redistributed dx9 it finally worked and i could start it

i use xp64, vista64 and seven64, and i can't tell where the magic is, but it runs way way waaaaay smoother than with the older OSes (though 60fps there too). stuff looks more plastic than before and the whole image is more 'quiet' than before, if you get me

edit: heh. dam board censors my name :)


I got Vista Business x64 atm and I'm having problems with it and I'm also sick of it. I think I'd rather go with Windows 7 than XP now.

Sherazade Le'Slut
Posted - 2009.01.14 18:02:00 - [13]
 

but it won't let me move the windowed fullscreen eve to my lcd's borders anymore, it jumps back to the default position.
should give evemon a try then.

on upgrading:
i'd rather install this to another partition than upgrading the current vista os.
if you havent another partition, resize your system disk with diskpart,
and create one in the new space that you freed up.

it has a GUI on vista, open startmenu then type diskmgmt.msc into the searchbox

Maestro Ulv
Phaze-9
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.01.15 00:16:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Aero Zolic
Is it possible to do upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7?
Too lazy to backup stuff and format the drive to test out beta.


You can yeah but I seriously advise against it.

I did an upgrade myself in an effort to test what I suspected would be as screwed as usual in MS software and... yeah two BSOD later (within the hour, and it took five hours to install) and I clean installed.

Clean install took 15-20 minutes, everything ran great after that and still is.

The MStech forums are full of issues from upgrading also so... your choice but Sad

WheatGrass
Silent but Friendly
Posted - 2009.01.17 02:45:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: WheatGrass on 17/01/2009 02:47:15
If you experience problems with Windows 7, you might wish to consider using the "Send Feedback" link found to the right on application title bars.

Edit: I'm about to try improving my "Windows Experience Index" by moving Windows 7 to the RAID 0. Wish me luck. Very Happy

Zeko Rena
Caldari
Tankt
Posted - 2009.01.17 10:38:00 - [16]
 

Dont forget that an OS always runs awsome when you have just installed it XP and Vista both run great for the first week or so on a clean build, but once you start installing legions of windows patchs and the files get a bit fragmented it can slow down.

Let me know how its running in a month or so :)

RogueWing
Tools Of The Trade
Southern Connection
Posted - 2009.01.17 22:09:00 - [17]
 

Anyone know where I can find the settings folder under Windows 7?

Bohoba
Caldari
Burning Technologies
Atlas.
Posted - 2009.01.18 04:40:00 - [18]
 

what program are you using to extract the image to DVD ??


WheatGrass
Silent but Friendly
Posted - 2009.01.18 19:43:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Bohoba
what program are you using to extract the image to DVD ??


I used a version of Nero since it was included with my hardware.

I noticed that burning an iso to disc is a context menu option in Win7. I'm not sure if that's the case with Vista since I skipped that OS. If you need a burning app quick, you can easily find something at any of a number of download sites such as softpedia. I've had good luck with the timed trial version of "Cute CD DVD Burner" and a product from SlySoft. Of course if you have linux, you might already have a burning utility.

WheatGrass
Silent but Friendly
Posted - 2009.01.18 20:04:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: WheatGrass on 19/01/2009 01:49:59
Edited by: WheatGrass on 18/01/2009 20:41:42
Edited by: WheatGrass on 18/01/2009 20:40:44
Edited by: WheatGrass on 18/01/2009 20:08:01
Originally by: Zeko Rena
....but once you start installing legions of windows patch[e]s and the files get a bit fragmented it can slow down.

Let me know how its running in a month or so :)

Well, that's probably even more the case with a Beta product. Smile

I finally got Windows 7 installed on the RAID after shrinking the XP partition. (That was done via the Windows 7 install while it was on the IDE drive.) Would you believe that the "Windows Experience Index" for the primary hard drive actually decreased from 5.1 to 3?! Rolling Eyes There's obviously a problem with the integrated benchmarking. I've put some photos of test results at photobucket. It's apparent that the Redmond folks are still somewhat separated from reality. Wink I tried to benchmark with 3D Mark Vantage but it doesn't see all of the DirectX files it needs on Windows 7. Crying or Very sad I also noticed that the HD Tune people are now charging for their latest version of the tool. The new free version seems to have less functionality than the old one.

The only other difficulty I've had with Windows 7 beta, so far, is with the Other beta. (Ahh. Life on the bleeding edge.) That is to say that I have not been able to get the AMD Windows 7 beta driver to install (via Windows Update or direct download from AMD.) So, I'm using the latest Vista driver instead.

Meanwhile, I'm happily getting Debian GNU/Linux going on the notebook. Smile

Edit: I can't spell. Maybe I should play Eve now.
Oops! Too late...

"2009.01.18 18:11
You have failed the mission I gave you. I am disappointed in you. I was hoping for a little more competence."

Perhaps I could petition to have the mission reset since, after all, I was beta testing. Wink

I was able to run 3D Mark Vantage after installing the November 2008 DirectX Software Development Kit. I'll just say that I like my 3DMark06 scores better on XP.

Vinni
Caldari
All Sales Are Final
Posted - 2009.01.24 12:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Aero Zolic
Is it possible to do upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7?
Too lazy to backup stuff and format the drive to test out beta.


Yes. only disadvantage is that the install is slower.

Elysarian
Minmatar
Elysarian Corp
Posted - 2009.01.24 12:42:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Vinni
Originally by: Aero Zolic
Is it possible to do upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7?
Too lazy to backup stuff and format the drive to test out beta.


Yes. only disadvantage is that the install is slower.


There is another way (assuming you have space) - Vista's disk manager has the ability to "shrink" disk volumes to allow you to create a second partition on your primary (or any other) HDD.

WheatGrass
Silent but Friendly
Posted - 2009.02.12 14:17:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: WheatGrass on 18/02/2009 04:50:21
Lately I'd been noticing that whenever my Eve Online game locks up, the Sun Java update scheduler is running. Disabling the Sun Java updater seems to have resolved the problem.

Edit...
Even after disabling the Java updater there are still some crashes going on. I've noticed this when gate jumping and exiting stations. So, I've run msconfig(1) to disable a bunch more "Startup" and "Services" crap. At least SunMicro isn't to blame.

Note 1: Windows Defender is included with the Windows 7 Beta but the "Software Explorers" control panel applet is no longer available.

Flinchey
Amarr
Posted - 2009.02.12 17:30:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Yuko Anekohji


Windows 7 is pretty much Vista.


fixed it for you Rolling Eyes

Dray
Caldari
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2009.02.13 18:32:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sherazade Le'****
but it won't let me move the windowed fullscreen eve to my lcd's borders anymore, it jumps back to the default position.
should give evemon a try then.


I get the same but I'm guessing it has something to do with the bug reporting option on the title bar.


Vinni
Caldari
All Sales Are Final
Posted - 2009.02.14 14:36:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Elysarian
Originally by: Vinni
Originally by: Aero Zolic
Is it possible to do upgrade install from Vista to Windows 7?
Too lazy to backup stuff and format the drive to test out beta.


Yes. only disadvantage is that the install is slower.


There is another way (assuming you have space) - Vista's disk manager has the ability to "shrink" disk volumes to allow you to create a second partition on your primary (or any other) HDD.

well, that's not really an upgrade

Vinni
Caldari
All Sales Are Final
Posted - 2009.02.14 14:38:00 - [27]
 

One thing I had to do to get EVE to run in window mode was set on the compatability tab of the shortcut to run as administrator and disable dpi scaling

WheatGrass
Silent but Friendly
Posted - 2009.02.18 05:11:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Flinchey
Originally by: Yuko Anekohji


Windows 7 is pretty much Vista.


fixed it for you Rolling Eyes


Your quote is not accurate but your point is noted -especially with the information which follows.
Microsoft caves in, will change Windows 7 UAC

It's getting difficult to see just what there is to actually sell with this new version. The selling point of 'Sucks Less' did sell me on Windows 98 and it was looking good for Windows 7 but now I'm not so sure.

BTW, I installed the new Debian 5 linux distribution today and it was a good experience -even with manually installing (i.e. apt-get) an x server (i.e. x.org), a GUI (i.e. Gnome), and then the Firefox-in-disguise Iceweasel web browser. It was at work though. So, I didn't add Wine and an Eve client on it. :)

Mabrick
Gallente
Mabrick Mining and Manufacturing
Posted - 2009.02.20 22:50:00 - [29]
 

Here is one I don't see addressed here. I keep having my session disconnect due to a socket error. It is making it impossible to PVE let alone PVP. Has anyone else seen this behavior? I have a wireless setup using a Netgear wireless NIC and WAP. I did have to load the Vista driver for the NIC as Windows 7 did not recognize it at first. I have not tried EVE with a CAT5 cable yet. I will do so this weekend and see if that remedies the issue though the thought of having a CAT5 stretched across the house does not thrill me.

Elysarian
Minmatar
Elysarian Corp
Posted - 2009.02.21 00:42:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Mabrick
Here is one I don't see addressed here. I keep having my session disconnect due to a socket error. It is making it impossible to PVE let alone PVP. Has anyone else seen this behavior? I have a wireless setup using a Netgear wireless NIC and WAP. I did have to load the Vista driver for the NIC as Windows 7 did not recognize it at first. I have not tried EVE with a CAT5 cable yet. I will do so this weekend and see if that remedies the issue though the thought of having a CAT5 stretched across the house does not thrill me.



Why the hell are you posting on this thread?

Go here before someone slaps you! Razz


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