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Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar
Garnet Resources
Posted - 2009.01.10 11:47:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: arbiter reformed on 10/01/2009 11:47:58
been flying around eve for a few years now. i can remember back in the day goin to different systems and being in awe of how cool they looked. but that quickly wore off and now i dont pay atention to space backgrounds at all.

been looking at hubbl's photos recently and thought why not make eve space absolutly stunning in some places, even go as far to say as make it 3d so we can sit in the middle of huge clouds of gas instead of it just being a fixed picture.

ofcourse i understand eve needs to be dark and mysterios so why not make some systems very bland and some full of anomalies,

if your wondering what im on about http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Ssc2006-21a1.jpg

Gankus Maxiumus
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:02:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: arbiter reformed
Edited by: arbiter reformed on 10/01/2009 11:47:58so we can sit in the middle of huge clouds of gas instead of it just being a fixed picture.


Recon 3/3.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:07:00 - [3]
 

I'd like it if EVE finally let us chose to remove the damn sun so we can see the UI properly. Or fix the UI so it doesn't blend. The later option would be better, having the UI more customizeable (and not so ugly.. it looked better years ago, last two-three changes just made it worse and worse) would be a huge improvement to the basic game enjoyment.

Karentaki
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:07:00 - [4]
 

First, that isn't a 'real' image. It's a false colour image produced from a range of both visible and invisible wavelengths of light. Second, that is a few hundred lightyears across, probably comparable in size to the whole eve 'universe'. Third, personally I would like space to look less like that. I don't want to see huge swathes of colour in every system. It's unrealistic, and frankly ruins immersion. I support CCP adding in more unique content in certain systems, but make it realistic like the eve-gate (I know it's not very realistic, but at least it doesn't break immersion). Landmarks are good, but psychedelic backgrounds are NOT good. In fact, in many cases these bright backgrounds actually interfere with trying to use the UI, which is ALWAYS bad.

Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Karentaki
First, that isn't a 'real' image. It's a false colour image produced from a range of both visible and invisible wavelengths of light. Second, that is a few hundred lightyears across, probably comparable in size to the whole eve 'universe'. Third, personally I would like space to look less like that. I don't want to see huge swathes of colour in every system. It's unrealistic, and frankly ruins immersion. I support CCP adding in more unique content in certain systems, but make it realistic like the eve-gate (I know it's not very realistic, but at least it doesn't break immersion). Landmarks are good, but psychedelic backgrounds are NOT good. In fact, in many cases these bright backgrounds actually interfere with trying to use the UI, which is ALWAYS bad.


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Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar
Garnet Resources
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:14:00 - [6]
 

fair enough tbh i understand it isnt "real" it was more to get the point across that there are amazing thigs in space and you dont really get that effect in eve. would be nice to have more than just set backgrounds

Forsch
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:49:00 - [7]
 

Backgrounds and planets need a complete overhaul. They are ugly and boring.

permion
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:52:00 - [8]
 

It's very real. I would consider it perfectly understandable that Space pilots would rather use false color multispectrum images to "see" the universe instead of just one spectrum at a time.

Granted by that argument it's the ships that aren't the right colorRolling Eyes

Xindi Kraid
The Night Wardens
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:54:00 - [9]
 

Those are a few pretty pictures. FOr the most part space is just kind of there. Black speckeled with some white dots, maybe a rock here or there.

As stated previoulsy, most of those hubble photos are flase color images, if you saw most of that stuff in person, it would look pretty bland, like the cloud of dust that it is. In addition, those clouds of dust don't usually inhabit systems, because the star, and any planets that might be orbiting said star, would pull all of the dust in.

At the Moment, EvE space is a bit TOO colorful. Maybe instead of adding more unrealistig clouds, the devs should make the planets less nodescript and the stars different colors

Qordel
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2009.01.10 12:54:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Misanth
I'd like it if EVE finally let us chose to remove the damn sun so we can see the UI properly. Or fix the UI so it doesn't blend. The later option would be better, having the UI more customizeable (and not so ugly.. it looked better years ago, last two-three changes just made it worse and worse) would be a huge improvement to the basic game enjoyment.


The constant sun and the bright jets/thrusters keep giving me headaches.

Bartholomeus Crane
Gallente
The Crane Family
Posted - 2009.01.10 14:53:00 - [11]
 

One of the things CCP talked about during fanfest was an overhaul of the particle system used in EVE. The example given was the NOS effects. But the implication was that the same system would be used to create extensive asteroid fields and planetary rings you can fly through. As such, I expect some of this to filter through to the game in due time.

Overall though, I would welcome a more subdued light spectacle in the game. Some of the 'clouds' in missions are simply overpowering and looking at them makes using the UI more difficult than need be.

Laarz
Posted - 2009.01.10 15:14:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Forsch
Backgrounds and planets need a complete overhaul. They are ugly and boring.






This.

Tiirae
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.01.10 15:24:00 - [13]
 

Space doesn't look anything like the hubble photos. In reality, it's a million times more boring than it is in game.

Iw ould be much happier if it was almost completely black, with just a few pinpoints representing stars here and there.

These multi-colored psychedelic backgrounds we have now just make it look like a children's game, imo.

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.10 15:24:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Arthur Frayn on 10/01/2009 15:27:50
Once upon a time at the release of Revelations, you could actually see all the stars in the Eve galaxy that you can jump to from your normal viewpoint in space, and clicking on the map would cause a zoomout which would bring them into focus. But that seems to have been removed.

What would be nice is to have the background depict the spiral arms of new eden, in the same way you can look up into the night sky out in the country and see our galaxy. This background could depict a different angle of the galaxy depending on what system you were in; being out in deep 0.0 could depict the whole galaxy edge-on in all its glory, while being close to the center could fill the background with gas and stars.

AkRoYeR
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.10 15:39:00 - [15]
 

Dear CCP,

We are all true carebears here that enjoy looking at your wonderful universe you have created for us. Please make it bland and boring so these nerds can feel as though they are TRULY playing in a weally weally neato space game.

kthxbye.

Arthur Frayn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2009.01.10 15:43:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: AkRoYeR
Dear CCP,

We are all true carebears here that enjoy looking at your wonderful universe you have created for us. Please make it bland and boring so these nerds can feel as though they are TRULY playing in a weally weally neato space game.

kthxbye.


Oh please. People are suggesting ideas to improve an aspect of the game which is starting to show its age.

Jack Menace
Posted - 2009.01.10 15:49:00 - [17]
 

It's true than when I look at the sky on a wonderful starry night, all I'm thinking is oh my god! space is so boring! ... not.
I don't think going full dullness is the way to render the grandeur of space on our meager computer screens. If it needs a little artistic help, some colour here and there to make it more spectacular I don't see the problem with it.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.01.10 16:27:00 - [18]
 

Arent they all getting updated mar10?

AkRoYeR
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.10 16:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Arthur Frayn
Originally by: AkRoYeR
Dear CCP,

We are all true carebears here that enjoy looking at your wonderful universe you have created for us. Please make it bland and boring so these nerds can feel as though they are TRULY playing in a weally weally neato space game.

kthxbye.


Oh please. People are suggesting ideas to improve an aspect of the game which is starting to show its age.


Features and Ideas Forum This way --------->

Arbiter Reformed
Minmatar
Garnet Resources
Posted - 2009.01.10 17:09:00 - [20]
 

but surley some systems should be boring and some shouldnt, the idea that ships camrea bots could only see part of the light spectrum is a moot point tbh, although i do admit all those psycadelic colors all the time would get annoying but diversity ppl cummon.

my point is wevve all been looking at the same systems for ages now make them all look slightly different, and make some the centre of a massive spacial phenomenon. i think it would be good fun.
it would be great to see the new particle effects worked into the clouds and stuff tho, that idea gets thumbs up from me.

CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.01.10 19:48:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: arbiter reformed
Edited by: arbiter reformed on 10/01/2009 11:47:58
been flying around eve for a few years now. i can remember back in the day goin to different systems and being in awe of how cool they looked. but that quickly wore off and now i dont pay atention to space backgrounds at all.

been looking at hubbl's photos recently and thought why not make eve space absolutly stunning in some places, even go as far to say as make it 3d so we can sit in the middle of huge clouds of gas instead of it just being a fixed picture.

ofcourse i understand eve needs to be dark and mysterios so why not make some systems very bland and some full of anomalies,

if your wondering what im on about http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Ssc2006-21a1.jpg


Hey Arbiter

We were hoping to get new planets and nebulas in for Apocrypha, but have limited resources and essentially had to choose between new renovated visual effects for turrets, modules, explosions, warp etc or new planets and nebulas. We chose effects because we felt that they were more important since the game is very much about blowing people up, webbing them, podding them etc. I am sure there are people who feel differently and I respect that. We are dying for new planets ourselves, it's just a question in what order we renovate. It's either doing it piece by piece or coming out with one large expansion much further down the road with everything in it.

Anyway, we have people working on this, but I can't tell you exactly when we'll have something available. The thing is we don't want to make new planets and nebulas just to make new planets and nebulas. They have to look great, and that takes time, effort, iteration and a lot of tuning. And knowing our artists, I can assure you, they want their time for their tuning. And every time they've gotten that, the results have been awesome, and I'm sure they will be this time as well.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2009.01.10 19:55:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/01/2009 19:56:36
Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/01/2009 19:55:16
I really do understand mate, I mean it's great your artist are doing so much work.

However... those backgrounds are what we see all of the time, and are what new players see all of the time.

So please please please PLEASE consider releasing them when they are done and NOT with an expansion. PLEASE? pretty please? Having to wait until Christmas, 2 years after trinity, would be a painful experience. On the other hand if you have a patch just for the backgrounds, that would be awesome.


p.s.(with more time please consider making nebulas have fixed posistions in the eve universe. So as yo warp towards jita which is in a blue nebula, you can see that nebula getting bigger and bigger in the background.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.01.10 19:59:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
Edited by: MotherMoon on 10/01/2009 19:55:16
I really do understand mate, I mean it's great your artist are doing so much work.

However... those backgrounds are what we see all of the time, and are what new players see all of the time.

So please please please PLEASE consider releasing them when they are done and NOT with an expansion. PLEASE? pretty please? Having to wait until Christmas, 2 years after trinity, would be a painful experience. On the other hand if you have a patch just for the backgrounds, that would be awesome.
Yeah just a little mini expansion hot fix ala Apocrypha 1.12. No need to wait for a future patch if its done before then. Very Happy

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2009.01.10 20:04:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
stuff

Holy crap!

Um... bummer about the planets and nebula not coming out Soon™.

However... Holy crap!! Good to see you on the forums again man! Very Happy


CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.01.10 20:26:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: MotherMoon
p.s.(with more time please consider making nebulas have fixed posistions in the eve universe. So as yo warp towards jita which is in a blue nebula, you can see that nebula getting bigger and bigger in the background.


That's exactly the system being developed. Large stellar bodies all around the known universe, creating a landscape through which you travel. So you can really be in the "Shoulder of Orion" etc. I hope we can get it out this summer. As things look today, it looks probable.

Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
Posted - 2009.01.10 20:28:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: MotherMoon
p.s.(with more time please consider making nebulas have fixed posistions in the eve universe. So as yo warp towards jita which is in a blue nebula, you can see that nebula getting bigger and bigger in the background.


That's exactly the system being developed. Large stellar bodies all around the known universe, creating a landscape through which you travel. So you can really be in the "Shoulder of Orion" etc. I hope we can get it out this summer. As things look today, it looks probable.
ShockedSurprisedVery Happy

Tiirae
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2009.01.10 20:29:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
Originally by: MotherMoon
p.s.(with more time please consider making nebulas have fixed posistions in the eve universe. So as yo warp towards jita which is in a blue nebula, you can see that nebula getting bigger and bigger in the background.


That's exactly the system being developed. Large stellar bodies all around the known universe, creating a landscape through which you travel. So you can really be in the "Shoulder of Orion" etc. I hope we can get it out this summer. As things look today, it looks probable.


Now *that* I can get excited about. I do sooooo much travelling in this game, eventually being able to recognise where you are headed from the surroundings would kick major ass.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2009.01.10 20:30:00 - [28]
 

I am quite sure they are going to update planets before they update planetary interaction :P

quick question will we be finally be able to go though a real ice/rock/gas fields of planet rings? because they are very unrealistic when you get very close to them.

CCP t0rfifrans

Posted - 2009.01.10 20:44:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Nova Fox
quick question will we be finally be able to go though a real ice/rock/gas fields of planet rings? because they are very unrealistic when you get very close to them.


we want to do this, it's on our backlog but this is more than just a graphical change. we'd need to take a whole new look at mining. you'd have to able to mine these rocks, but if they surround a planet or a sun, like the Kupier belt, then it's a lot of rocks. The DB couldn't handle each of them being an entry in a table. It's solvable, but you need to redesign seeding and mining and rathunting for them. Also, should we then drop existing belts, or should they be complimentary? It's a lot of issues. We're thinking about them, but there's no team working on solving this at this very moment.

Eran Laude
Gallente
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2009.01.10 21:03:00 - [30]
 

Wow! Tentative or not - it's encouraging to see that it might be ready by summer - I sure hope so!

Effects are nice, and it will be awesome to have them in Apocrypha, but backgrounds, nebulae, planets, etc. are seen by everyone, everywhere, virtually all the time with the exception of spinning, so it's nice to know they could be renovated this year, and before Christmas, too.


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