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Indigosia
Caldari
WubWub Kroow
Posted - 2009.01.05 15:28:00 - [1]
 

Im wondering, is it worth it to buy a sin? or should i just buy a domi and throw a cloak on it?

If im not mistaking, you were able to open portals in highsec when they first came out, but did ccp nerf it? (Im asking, but im pretty sure they did)

Aerin Cloudfayr
the evil ones
Posted - 2009.01.05 15:41:00 - [2]
 

ooh it's low sec awesome iirc, jump ur covops buddys in without taking the gatecamp, v nice v nice v nice ;)

covert cyno will make differences

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.01.05 15:44:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Indigosia
Im wondering, is it worth it to buy a sin? or should i just buy a domi and throw a cloak on it?

If im not mistaking, you were able to open portals in highsec when they first came out, but did ccp nerf it? (Im asking, but im pretty sure they did)



JBs jump from the ship to the cyno, and since you can't light a cyno in highsec, you can only go out of highsec, not into it.

Other than bridging BRs, it's fairly gimped for the moment. A cloaking domi will probably achieve much more than 1/5th of the effectiveness for 1/5th the price.

Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.05 15:46:00 - [4]
 

If it's worth it depends on you (your wallet) and what you are going to do with it. Serving as "mothership" for cloaking support (recons, covops and stuff) is great. For tank & gank I'd take a common BS.

Indigosia
Caldari
WubWub Kroow
Posted - 2009.01.05 15:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Indigosia on 05/01/2009 15:58:16
so you can jump OUT of highsec/Bridge?

i guess so :P

Thx for your time =)

Gaius Sejanus
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2009.01.05 22:25:00 - [6]
 

The Sin is very worthwhile...IF you are using it for the cloaking and setting up covert cynos and the like.

If you're not using it for that, the regular Domi is notably better (and a HELL of a lot cheaper).

Lindsay Logan
Posted - 2009.01.05 22:32:00 - [7]
 

imo the SIN or any black ops in not worht it.

Sarciss
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2009.01.05 22:34:00 - [8]
 

No, negative, negatory, definately not, no way ho-say, not in a million years, not in a billion years, no.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2009.01.05 22:59:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Sarciss
No, negative, negatory, definately not, no way ho-say, not in a million years, not in a billion years, no.


Well... its probably not going to take THAT long for a buff...

KayO
Rionnag Alba
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2009.01.05 23:32:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: KayO on 05/01/2009 23:32:46
they can jump out from high sec to a low sec cyno but i don't think they can open thier portal in high sec.

Adaera
Posted - 2009.01.05 23:41:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Adaera on 05/01/2009 23:41:33
Originally by: TimMc
Well... its probably not going to take THAT long for a buff...


/me coughs and politely gestures in the direction of sensor damps, stealth bombers, bombs, and a sizeable pile of other modules and ships

Zurin Arctus
Posted - 2009.01.06 04:14:00 - [12]
 

Short answer: You're an idiot if you buy one.


Long answer: Black ops ships were stillborn, pre-nerfed to death because CCP was afraid of making them too strong. The Sin is inferior to the dominix in almost every way. They have no worthwhile advantages in combat, lackluster 'stealth' credentials, (they can't even fit a covops cloak, and are huge and slow to boot)hideously inefficient jump drives, and the covert jump portal gimmick is a novelty at best.

Rajere
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2009.01.06 10:04:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Zurin Arctus
Short answer: You're an idiot if you buy one.


Long answer: Black ops ships were stillborn, pre-nerfed to death because CCP was afraid of making them too strong. The Sin is inferior to the dominix in almost every way. They have no worthwhile advantages in combat, lackluster 'stealth' credentials, (they can't even fit a covops cloak, and are huge and slow to boot)hideously inefficient jump drives, and the covert jump portal gimmick is a novelty at best.

You're an idiot if you agree with the quoted text.

Real Answer: If you don't know how to use them, don't bother. If you do, then they're worth every penny.

fkingfurious
Posted - 2009.01.06 10:46:00 - [14]
 

The crux is that Black Ops Bs are absolutely **** all use in a fight when compared to their Tech 1 counterparts.

While it is true that some groups have found ways of exploiting the Covert Jump Portal to their advantage often times it's far too much like hard work for most people to want to bother.

There are probably a few situations where you absolutely MUST get your gang past a camp without alerting them to your presence or something equally sneaky but for actual violence they suck.

As soon as you switch that cloak off everything is going against you. If we assume that your target isn't a) hideously outnumbered or b) EWAR'd to the point of uselessness a BO BS cannot fight like a teir 1 BS. Less DPS, less HP and weaker capacitor, and god forbid you're going into a fifght off the back of cyno-ing into system (you'll only have 30% cap to start the fight with) and if you do have a cloak fitted you're gonna be the last ship on the field aquiring locks.

And to everyone who think "If your target can fight back you're doing it wrong" I say congratulations, you've just found a way of using a 500+ mill ship, plus a bunch of fuel and some guy in a covert cyno ship to kill a target that could have been taken down by a frig.

kessah
Blood Blind
Posted - 2009.01.06 10:49:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rajere
Originally by: Zurin Arctus
Short answer: You're an idiot if you buy one.


Long answer: Black ops ships were stillborn, pre-nerfed to death because CCP was afraid of making them too strong. The Sin is inferior to the dominix in almost every way. They have no worthwhile advantages in combat, lackluster 'stealth' credentials, (they can't even fit a covops cloak, and are huge and slow to boot)hideously inefficient jump drives, and the covert jump portal gimmick is a novelty at best.

You're an idiot if you agree with the quoted text.

Real Answer: If you don't know how to use them, don't bother. If you do, then they're worth every penny.


qft

Rajere
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2009.01.06 21:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: fkingfurious
The crux is that Black Ops Bs are absolutely **** all use in a fight when compared to their Tech 1 counterparts.

While it is true that some groups have found ways of exploiting the Covert Jump Portal to their advantage often times it's far too much like hard work for most people to want to bother.

There are probably a few situations where you absolutely MUST get your gang past a camp without alerting them to your presence or something equally sneaky but for actual violence they suck.

As soon as you switch that cloak off everything is going against you. If we assume that your target isn't a) hideously outnumbered or b) EWAR'd to the point of uselessness a BO BS cannot fight like a teir 1 BS. Less DPS, less HP and weaker capacitor, and god forbid you're going into a fifght off the back of cyno-ing into system (you'll only have 30% cap to start the fight with) and if you do have a cloak fitted you're gonna be the last ship on the field aquiring locks.

And to everyone who think "If your target can fight back you're doing it wrong" I say congratulations, you've just found a way of using a 500+ mill ship, plus a bunch of fuel and some guy in a covert cyno ship to kill a target that could have been taken down by a frig.

Actually the crux is in your thinking, and how you're using the ships. Comparing them to their tech 1 counterparts is quite silly. The only ships you can readily compare them to are Cov Ops and Force Recons, and in that setting they fulfill their role perfectly.

Now there are some situations where they can be used in tandem with more conventional t1 ships, but in those situations you are using the blackops in order to conceal numbers, tricking a gang to commit to engaging what appears to be a much smaller gang, without any backup within 1-2 jumps (which is typically the range gangs keep scouts).

In either situation the blackops are what enables you to actually get kills/fights. If you put a gang of battleships out there to fight, even if they outnumber the enemy gang will never engage you. Nobody is looking for good fights, everyone is looking for easy ganks. Well atleast that's my experience, if you're horrible at pvp maybe you can actually get into fights cus people know you're horrible (and lose all your ships).

Grarr Dexx
Amarr
Kumovi
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2009.01.06 21:36:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: KayO
Edited by: KayO on 05/01/2009 23:32:46
they can jump out from high sec to a low sec cyno but i don't think they can open thier portal in high sec.


You can open the portal but you can't have anyone jump to it iirc

Isaac Starstriker
Amarr
Frontier Venture
Posted - 2009.01.06 22:31:00 - [18]
 

The Black Ops is worth it if you are going to use it for its role. If your thinking your getting the "T2 UBERAWESOMEOMGWTFPWN" version of the T1 Dominix....don't bother with it.

Its good for its role.

Any other, and your doing it wrong.

--Isaac

Jazhara Gold
Perkone
Posted - 2009.01.07 03:39:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Indigosia
Im wondering, is it worth it to buy a sin? or should i just buy a domi and throw a cloak on it?

If im not mistaking, you were able to open portals in highsec when they first came out, but did ccp nerf it? (Im asking, but im pretty sure they did)



You could open the portal in high sec yes....not tried it in a few month tho. Don't see why ccp should of nerfed it, apart
from the fact of giving allusion eve may be in process of being swallowed by a quantum singularity, you couldn't
really do anything to your advantage. Flock or recons suiciding an ibis and jumping out ?

Sin has it uses as do the other black ops, Personally I think it makes a great ninja ratter in 0.0 with sniping sentries 100km+ out.
Alt sits in another system close by in case da locals who think they actually own 0.0 get shirty.

The recon shuttle service aspect works to, Just takes a little work which is probably why some folk in this thread
whinge on how crap black ops are(n't).

ccp kinda made a nice compromise with the blockade runner being able to use the portals and wear a cloak of sneakiness
making it a nice companion ship for black ops, alleviating to an extent the fuel issues.


 

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