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Topic |
Beet Head
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.26 23:58:00 - [ 1]
Hello there. I have a startup corporation that teaches new players how to pvp in empire. This means I assist and monitor their skill training progress, among other things. The more I recruit, the more difficult this becomes.
And recruiting new players also runs the high risk of recruiting alts or bored vets with new second accounts. Because there are empire wars going on, there is also considerable risk of attempted spies too.
But for the life of me I can't find a good 3rd party program that will use more than one FULL API key to monitor data. ie. a corp level tool. I want one place to do everything from. Does anything like this exist for public use? |
masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2008.12.26 23:59:00 - [ 2]
 Originally by: Beet Head
Hello there. I have a startup corporation that teaches new players how to pvp in empire. This means I assist and monitor their skill training progress, among other things. The more I recruit, the more difficult this becomes.
And recruiting new players also runs the high risk of recruiting alts or bored vets with new second accounts. Because there are empire wars going on, there is also considerable risk of attempted spies too.
But for the life of me I can't find a good 3rd party program that will use more than one FULL API key to monitor data. ie. a corp level tool. I want one place to do everything from. Does anything like this exist for public use?
nope you have to get it from em urself and plug it into eve mon. |
Beet Head
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.27 00:04:00 - [ 3]
Did you even read any of what I said?
I specifically asked if there was a program that handles multiple API keys. EVE MON is not built as a corp management tool. |
masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2008.12.27 00:08:00 - [ 4]
Originally by: Beet Head
Did you even read any of what I said?
I specifically asked if there was a program that handles multiple API keys. EVE MON is not built as a corp management tool.
i know, you have to plug em in one by one, like i said. |
Beet Head
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.27 00:16:00 - [ 5]
Sigh. It uses the limited API key, not the FULL API key as I said. Being able to add chars is meaningless without the other data, and even if I only cared only about skills, EVE MON wouldn't be the most reliable way to handle, sort and analyze dozens/hundreds characters.
As an example, I want to be able to set up alerts when a member in the corp has certain wallet transactions. Or maybe I want a map overlay showing where most people have ships stored, or perhaps an alert when 80% of the corp has moved combat ships to a new location. I want to be able to quickly take stock of what we have as a whole corp, to estimate how we're doing financially. |
masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2008.12.27 00:17:00 - [ 6]
Originally by: Beet Head
Sigh. It uses the limited API key, not the FULL API key as I said. Being able to add chars is meaningless without the other data, and even if I only cared only about skills, EVE MON wouldn't be the most reliable way to handle, sort and analyze dozens/hundreds characters.
As an example, I want to be able to set up alerts when a member in the corp has certain wallet transactions. Or maybe I want a map overlay showing where most people have ships stored, or perhaps an alert when 80% of the corp has moved combat ships to a new location. I want to be able to quickly take stock of what we have as a whole corp, to estimate how we're doing financially.
1. eve mon is open source, you can edit it, get a visual C sharp book. 2. make a comittee to check chars, like a board of 12 peeps doin this once a month, then you make the work load doable. |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It |
Posted - 2008.12.27 00:34:00 - [ 7]
Originally by: Beet Head
Sigh. It uses the limited API key, not the FULL API key as I said. Being able to add chars is meaningless without the other data, and even if I only cared only about skills, EVE MON wouldn't be the most reliable way to handle, sort and analyze dozens/hundreds characters.
As an example, I want to be able to set up alerts when a member in the corp has certain wallet transactions. Or maybe I want a map overlay showing where most people have ships stored, or perhaps an alert when 80% of the corp has moved combat ships to a new location. I want to be able to quickly take stock of what we have as a whole corp, to estimate how we're doing financially.
Seriously beet head, just ignore masternerdguy. He's a notoriously unsuccessful troll and whilst i can't claim to answer your questions, others will be along shortly who can :) |
masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
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Posted - 2008.12.27 00:46:00 - [ 8]
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Seriously beet head, just ignore masternerdguy. He's a notoriously unsuccessful troll and whilst i can't claim to answer your questions, others will be along shortly who can :)
not a troll, just wonderfully eccentric. |
Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It |
Posted - 2008.12.27 01:02:00 - [ 9]
Originally by: masternerdguy
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Seriously beet head, just ignore masternerdguy. He's a notoriously unsuccessful troll and whilst i can't claim to answer your questions, others will be along shortly who can :)
not a troll, just wonderfully eccentric.
i would agree with you, had you actually ever constructed something fantastically nutty. as it stands, i can see that your abode is a bridge :( |
Toshiro Khan
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.27 01:30:00 - [ 10]
Edited by: Toshiro Khan on 27/12/2008 01:53:06
Edit: My bad... Misread the full api info. |
charming wanderer |
Posted - 2008.12.27 01:33:00 - [ 11]
What I think the masternerdguy is trying to convey, is that the application you want does not yet exist. |
Meklon
Caldari
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned. |
Posted - 2008.12.27 01:43:00 - [ 12]
Beet Head, I would say the closest tool available would be Eve Meep. While primarily focused for industrial use, it allows access via the Full API Key and gives a reasonable breakdown of pretty much everything available via the API interface. |
Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente
Snake Eyes Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.27 01:46:00 - [ 13]
Originally by: Toshiro Khan
Originally by: Beet Head
Sigh. It uses the limited API key, not the FULL API key as I said.
Erm... Why do you want peoples full API?
That's basically like saying "please give me all of your account details, including passwords." The limited API is enough for what you want.
No, it does not give "all account details, including passwords." It gives a lot of character detail, such as assets and wallet transactions, and a director's key can pull the same information at a corporate level. Very handy fed into the right application. Yes, that information can be used by enemy corps/alliances in their war efforts against you, and that would be bad on a game play level. None of the API Keys give out your account username or password, and all API functions are read-only. To the OP: Sorry, I'm only aware of single-corp tools as well. |
Toshiro Khan
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.27 01:54:00 - [ 14]
Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf
No, it does not give "all account details, including passwords." It gives a lot of character detail, such as assets and wallet transactions, and a director's key can pull the same information at a corporate level. Very handy fed into the right application.
Yes, that information can be used by enemy corps/alliances in their war efforts against you, and that would be bad on a game play level.
None of the API Keys give out your account username or password, and all API functions are read-only.
To the OP: Sorry, I'm only aware of single-corp tools as well.
Yeah, my bad... I misread the whole warning about the full API. |
Dantes Revenge
Caldari |
Posted - 2008.12.27 02:45:00 - [ 15]
Eve Asset Manager allows you to see everything in a characters inventory, even what is fitted to ships and in cans and where it is located. You can limit the asset search in many different ways and therefore can search for ships only if you want to see deployment details etc. |
Beet Head
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.27 03:06:00 - [ 16]
I do programming, but I haven't the time to code something like this. So excuse me if I don't buy that C# book just yet.
EVE-MEEP doesn't seem to like Vista 64-bit even though I have .NET frameworks installed. I'll try the asset manager but I don't see anything to do with wallets or skills here :(
If no application exists, aren't there any player run services to consider? |
Beet Head
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.27 03:17:00 - [ 17]
Nope, asset manager is too basic.
It has to combine skills, wallet and asset management with a degree of autonomy. Otherwise I'm just adding to the workload.
Okay, ignoring all the feature requests I made.. are there ANY tools/services that would help with megacorp management? |
Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
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Posted - 2008.12.27 03:21:00 - [ 18]
Originally by: Captain Pompous
Seriously beet head, just ignore masternerdguy. He's a notoriously unsuccessful troll and whilst i can't claim to answer your questions, others will be along shortly who can :)
I guess I was successfully trolled, since I always thought he was just bad. As for Eve Meep, I've never been able to get it to work either, just crashes all the time, both Vista and XP. I hear if it works for you it's great though. |
Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2008.12.27 03:25:00 - [ 19]
If you have an iGoogle account, there's a couple free gadgets you can put on your home page that use the full API key |
Veritech knight
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi |
Posted - 2008.12.27 04:44:00 - [ 20]
eve-commander.com
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zibelthurdos
Concrete Developments
LOADED CONCRETE |
Posted - 2008.12.27 05:07:00 - [ 21]
Edited by: zibelthurdos on 27/12/2008 05:07:52
have you looked at EMMA ?
/// sorry emma doesn't do skills. |
Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
United Imperial Fleet
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Posted - 2008.12.27 05:28:00 - [ 22]
Originally by: Veritech knight
eve-commander.com
I don't recall exactly,but I don't think Eve-Commander would allow him to view info on every pilot in his corp |
Roku Kotaki
Kotaki Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.12.27 05:47:00 - [ 23]
I was thinking about using EVE HQ for this purpose, but I'm not sure if it's quite what you are looking for. From what I can tell while using it, you only need the full API of the CEO to see corp assets, but it won't show personal assets of your corp members without their full API, as well. Just an idea. Don't know if it will work for your purposes, though. |
Nan Shoku |
Posted - 2008.12.27 06:06:00 - [ 24]
Corp Tracker might be what you need. It will allow you to put in the full API of each corp member and view the entire corp on one screen. http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=871107
Out of EVE is another program that is web based and supports full API's and lets you see all alts on the account. Nice because you can access it from anywhere. You can even build the site into your corp webpage. http://www.outofeve.com/
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Amanda Wilkins
Caldari
Dromedary Goat Albatross and Fish
Big Bang Quantum |
Posted - 2008.12.27 08:36:00 - [ 25]
I don't think you need a tool.
Whatever you get of intel about alts on the account registered with you is not going to solve your problem - because a spy will not have his main on the same account.
Another thing is that I would not want to be a player in your corp. Full API access to all just to teach them pvp in Empire? Are you freaking kidding?
Sorry, I think your concept is fail and I hope there is no such tool.
Amanda
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Mickey Simon
Genos Occidere |
Posted - 2008.12.27 08:49:00 - [ 26]
Originally by: Amanda Wilkins
I don't think you need a tool.
Whatever you get of intel about alts on the account registered with you is not going to solve your problem - because a spy will not have his main on the same account.
Another thing is that I would not want to be a player in your corp. Full API access to all just to teach them pvp in Empire? Are you freaking kidding?
Sorry, I think your concept is fail and I hope there is no such tool.
Amanda
Pretty much this. I know my CEO had my limited API key when I joined up to check my skill training and see what I could actually fly; but a full api key for teaching PvP is a bit much. |
Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
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Posted - 2008.12.27 11:15:00 - [ 27]
Originally by: Mickey Simon
I know my CEO had my limited API key when I joined up to check my skill training and see what I could actually fly; but a full api key for teaching PvP is a bit much.
I'd agree, but on the other hand his corp is aimed at noobs. They probably don't have too many secrets that the full API key would give away, and they can always generate a new key. The other bonus is that it give him a false sense of security whilst leaving him vulnerable to proper spies who always use a second account to spy with.  |
Hagen Stein
Biotronics Inc.
The Initiative. |
Posted - 2008.12.27 11:37:00 - [ 28]
The best place to ask such questions is the Technology Lab forum, IMHO. Originally by: Beet Head
But for the life of me I can't find a good 3rd party program that will use more than one FULL API key to monitor data. ie. a corp level tool. I want one place to do everything from. Does anything like this exist for public use?
CorpTracker: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=871107 |
Babel
Utopian Research I.E.L.
Hedonistic Imperative |
Posted - 2008.12.27 13:20:00 - [ 29]
Edited by: Babel on 27/12/2008 13:21:31
OP: Post with your main :)
Or maybe if you did then your corps member would be a bit upset knowing you are spying on them. If you don't think that's a bad thing to do - why post on an alt for anonymity?
Creepy stalker CEO ftl tbh :) |
Beet Head
Gallente |
Posted - 2008.12.27 18:31:00 - [ 30]
For the ones who posted suggestions, thank you. I'll definitely check those out and post feedback.
For the others who question me, you're ignorant as hell. First, the idea is under open discussion within my corporation. It was brought up when one of my members was considering writing some extensions for EVE MON. If someone doesn't want to join because of it, I'm not going to cry about it. That is my concern and not yours. As paranoid as you all are, if your CEO was looking to screw you the full API key is far from necessary.
Second, if I thought a spy was keeping his main on the same account, the limited API key would provide adequate protection. Obviously you don't have much experience with spying to spot the value of a full API key. The wallet journal and transactions makes spying via second un-associated account much harder for anyone who would consider it. That's because new second accounts are usually funded or connected in some way by their mains. Even simple things like trading and convoing could give away associations. If I'm going to invest time into training new players and time into building a megacorporation, I might as well use all the resources to ensure I'm not going to have headaches later.
Third, knowing what is going on with my pvp corp helps me make better decisions. If you don't have data, everything is speculation and guesswork. If I see we can be better or more efficient, aiming for that is better for the long term of an organization than recruiting new members to make up for the slack. |
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