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Ivana Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.26 21:46:00 - [1]
 

Hi all

So basically, I used to own a Wireless-G Router and it did everything I needed - Fast connect speed, configurable, wireless quality was fairly good when using my Laptop around the house considering it was only a basic G router.

I then built a new Desktop PC for my living room (opposite side of the house of the router) and since I wanted a decent wireless conn to it, stuck in a Wireless-N MIMO PCI Adapter but signal was incredibly poor (0-20%), so figured it must have been my router.

I decided to splash out on a brand new high-end Router from the same brand, falling for the Wireless-N hype thinking I'd suddenly be getting performance on par with a wired connection, only once installed the signal strength was just as bad as before... Confused

It claims to have connected at 300mbps, yet at times it fails to stream even MP3s and dropouts are frequent. I guess I was expecting to be able to get a decent signal at the end of my garden or something (being that it claimed to have 10x the range and 15x the speed), but as it is I can't even browse the internet from the other side of my house without it dropping out every 5 minutes...

Is it something I'm doing wrong, or did I just fall for supremely-misleading marketing ploys?... Sad

(In the meantime, I'm considering Homeplugs... I've had it with Wireless Confused)

Eomar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.26 22:07:00 - [2]
 

in the past ive had connections claiming 300mb plus when the signals been extremely ****. 'tis a bug.




same symptoms, different router.


chances are youve got a house thats built well (ie not made of balsawood and fibreboard) and thus theres lots of crap in the way.

range is only applicable in open air, any major structure or large interference causing objects/surfaces are going to massively restrict that.





couple of options, turn the ariel through 90 degrees and see if that makes a difference (seriously!)

run a cable.

get a repeater. (will also involve running a cable.)

You could go and get (or make) a high gain directional antennae but it still might not work.




Do you have the option to try line of sight? ie open all doors between the 2 components, and then move them so there is no obstruction, if that works its definately the building/location.






Try the simplest things first, especially the ariel :D

Ivana Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.26 22:17:00 - [3]
 

My house is quite old, the walls are fairly thick/solid so that might have something to do with it.

I've tried everything with the Ariels. There's only a couple positions where i'll get any signal AT ALL, if I just put it in some random position I probably won't even be able to connect...

I even tried putting foil around to 'bounce' the signal about better, opened all doors etc and that may have helped a little bit but nothing I could really notice. Confused

Imperator Jora'h
Posted - 2008.12.26 22:28:00 - [4]
 

First try and test the computer in the same room with the wireless router. This will confirm all is setup well and the signal is strong. If not then you have other problems you need to address.

Assuming the above test works out fine then it is simply a matter of too much distance/too much stuff between you and the router. Solid old buildings are notorious at blocking signals. Pipes, power conduits in the walls and so on will all mess it up.



Here are some tips for improving wireless connections.

Best thing is to move the router to a more central location if you can. Otherwise you can buy a repeater to relay the signal for you.

It is not unusual for higher bandwidth things such as this to be more finicky about signal strength. When you are working with old, low bandwidth signals they were more tolerant of interference...less data was mucked up along the way. Higher bandwidth tends to be less tolerant (even true of wired setups).

Best of luck!

Ivana Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.27 02:28:00 - [5]
 

I don't really want to bother with repeaters and things as it's just going to be more money that isn't guarenteed to give me what I want.

Thanks a lot for that link though. Very Happy Will have to look into that high-gain antenna thing, currently my router is at the very corner of my house under a desk and the PC is at another corner beside a sofa, so that probably isn't helping...

Kind of wish I went for one of those USB adaptors too that you could stick somewhere, rather than a PCI card but ohwell... Sad

Both router and PC are right next to plug sockets, so for the meantime I'm just going to screw the wireless and buy myself 2 of these and hope they arn't too terrible... Neutral

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2008.12.27 03:17:00 - [6]
 

Just out of curiosity, why are you setting up a desktop for wireless? Wired connections are much faster and not generally susceptible to interference.

Have you tried changing the channel on the router? Are there other wireless networks nearby? Do you live near a strong microwave source (such as airport radars)? Does your signal only drop out when certain other things are running, such as microwave ovens or old CRTs?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2008.12.27 03:22:00 - [7]
 

Just something of note, Check the Antenna(s) are tight, wind them both ways, a loose antena can cause some pretty terrible Signals.

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.12.27 09:25:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Tzar''rim on 27/12/2008 09:25:57
Since communication is a two-way thing, why do you keep focussing on your router? Check your NIC.

Oddly enough it's better to have a USB version (normally I detest USB if there's a 'real' internal version), get yourself a 2-3m long USB cable and connect the USB wireless to it, that means you can move it around a bit to get the best signal.

Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
Posted - 2008.12.27 10:51:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 27/12/2008 10:52:08
Originally by: Kessiaan
Have you tried changing the channel on the router? Are there other wireless networks nearby? Do you live near a strong microwave source (such as airport radars)? Does your signal only drop out when certain other things are running, such as microwave ovens or old CRTs?


I'd second this advice. Most of the wireless problems I've had in the past have been due to interference, and I've usually managed to solve them by changing the channel on the router.

F'rexample: recently, my wireless was showing max signal strength, but was practically unusable. Ping times to the router were occasionally around 3-4 seconds, and lots of packets were getting dropped. I went through the available channels one by one, and eventually found one that gave perfect service. It's understandable really - there are at least 5 other wireless networks I can see from my house, not to mention other sources of interference. Fortunately, other people rarely change the channel on their router.

As the OP is using a desktop, though, I would suggest using HomePlug. It piggybacks network on the house electricity ring, and in my experience is great. I use these units from Devolo. Of course, you may not want to spend yet more money...

Edit: D'oh, I've just seen that the OP is buying a HomePlug set.

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2008.12.27 12:19:00 - [10]
 

I absolutely second that "Homeplug" advice, I use them in tandem with an N1 network and they blow the wireless away for performance and I only have the very cheapest of homeplug style adapters, two made by "Zyxel" and one made by Advent, Neither company known for particular quality.

Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.12.27 12:50:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Benco97
"Zyxel" and one made by Advent, Neither company known for particular quality.


Back in the days Zyxel was a top brand for modems and networking stuff, no idea how they are today.

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2008.12.27 12:56:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Benco97 on 27/12/2008 12:56:17
Originally by: Tzar'rim
Originally by: Benco97
"Zyxel" and one made by Advent, Neither company known for particular quality.


Back in the days Zyxel was a top brand for modems and networking stuff, no idea how they are today.


I'm sorry to say but they make some pretty cheap stuff nowadays, I know what you mean though as I used to use a dial-up modem made by them and it was fine, I imagine it still works flawlessly now.
General build quality seems to have gone down, both my homeplugs by them work fine but they FEEL cheap and nasty.

Ivana Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.27 19:10:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Benco97
...and one made by Advent


*cringe*

I'd never touch anything Advent. I used to work at PC World and the whole store was full of their stuff - Cheap, sure, but lets just say you pay for what you get... Razz

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2008.12.27 19:13:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Ivana Drake
Originally by: Benco97
...and one made by Advent


*cringe*

I'd never touch anything Advent. I used to work at PC World and the whole store was full of their stuff - Cheap, sure, but lets just say you pay for what you get... Razz


Yeah I know but I managed to get it for a tenner. It's only for the PS3 anyway so it's not important.

Ivana Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.27 19:34:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Benco97
It's only for the PS3 anyway so it's not important.


Oh that's OK then Razz

TU144 TEPPOPNCT'CMEPTHNK
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.12.28 00:43:00 - [16]
 

instead of trying to get zapped by the microwaves (and get your family cancer)
try home plug devices, they run a version of ADSL over your mains supply. So long as all the devices are on the same curcuit (from the fuse box) it should work up to 300m (pretty big house) or even in the shed outside.
speeds available are 14, 54, 100, 200 Mbps.
it can have multiple units working together on the mains, even different networks across the same supply. though speeds will drop.
its more secure than wifi (no neighbours across the street listening in and hacking the password then jumping on the network as stealing bandwidth)

and it saves the other neighbours lots on the cost of tin foil and a wifi jammer.
YARRRR!!

Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.28 00:47:00 - [17]
 

I was gonna mention homeplugs aswell, it looks liek the way to go...

Ivana Drake
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.31 03:31:00 - [18]
 

well my Homeplugs arrived today!

At first they didn't work, I was worried and very annoyed thinking it must be the way my house is wired (quite an old house, originally built for the Army) especially since the instructions were basically:

1 - Plug them in
2 - Enjoy!

...without telling me I needed to actually run a setup or anything. I then messed around with the setup (in desperation really) and got stuck there for an hour or so before finally realising I had to set passwords - it then took me another 40 minutes to realise it was case-sensitive as I'd typed 'Homeplug' on one end and 'HomePlug' on the other - I synced them, and it linked Very Happy

They're advertised as 'Up to' 200mbps but that could mean anything these days - Still, I got a respectable 125mbps once I plugged them in, which I'm very happy with. Works beautifully Very Happy


 

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