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Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2008.12.22 19:19:00 - [1]
 

Hi

I was wondering if the EVE ships can land on planets,moons, etc?

The first problem I see with it is that starships are made partially of Tritanium, and it is unstable in atomspheric conditions.

The second problem would be weight. They would need some damn strong landing gears.

Third, how would they land? Would/Do they have something to counter gravity?

Grek Forto //

Morgan Brykein
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.12.22 21:06:00 - [2]
 

Antigravity would be too unrealistic...most likely they'd use thrusters to prevent any crash landings.

I find it unrealistic that the ships are made from tritanium...except for in moons, elements like iron, steel, titanium, and lead seem missing from the game. I'd imagine ships would be made from that, not a magical crystal.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.22 22:06:00 - [3]
 

I should imagine there are more specific types of craft than the ships we pilot which are used for planetside landings.

There isn't a single ship in the item database I'd consider fit for anything other than a crash landing, given the fact a Rifter class hull is around 10% larger than a a Boeing 747 in scale, and apparently weighs as much as 4 times more (taking into account the maximum projected takeoff weight of the new 747-8).

The ships we pilot are designed for flight in vacuum, I think that if we're ever permitted to fly into the atmosphere of a planet we'll be given specific ship classes to do so.

Smile



Horatius Caul
Amarr
Kitzless
Posted - 2008.12.22 22:07:00 - [4]
 

Well, frigates have been shown entering planetary atmospheres (ancient planetary flight demo). Also, I seem to recall an FPS video from Oveur's presentation this fanfest where I think a frigate can be seen in the background for a second. Could be entirely mistaken on the second point though, as I've only seen the video second-hand.

Anyways, back to the original topic: Shuttles are specifically designed to enter atmospheres and to be able to navigate effectively in them. I think most frigates would be small enough to land and get off a planet. Also, regarding gravity technology, the design of EVE ships would pretty much require the ability to produce gravitically "charged" surfaces to allow the crew to walk around. If such technology is available it'd probably be possible to make negatively charged surfaces to produce repulsion lift to help keeping ships off the ground.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.22 22:12:00 - [5]
 

The Rifter is definatly capable of Landing, at least one of the Pictures of Theodicy showed a landed Rifter. Antigravity would not be too far fetched as a technology in EVE.

From all I have read so far, at least the larger ships and stations all have artificial gravity. Gravity physics is an important area of science in the EVE Universe and used for various purposes.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.22 22:43:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Deviana Sevidon
The Rifter is definatly capable of Landing, at least one of the Pictures of Theodicy showed a landed Rifter. Antigravity would not be too far fetched as a technology in EVE.

From all I have read so far, at least the larger ships and stations all have artificial gravity. Gravity physics is an important area of science in the EVE Universe and used for various purposes.


I've seen the image, It also shows the rifter at roughly 1/10th of it's stated size in original PF blueprints that were released by CCP.

There are a lot of inconsistencices. I generally stick to rough technical drawings and early PF rather than artwork used to dramatise a scene in a chronicle or novella.

Wanoah
Minmatar
Msana Foundation
Posted - 2008.12.23 03:30:00 - [7]
 

The stations presumably have artificial gravity. Yet the ships float in our hangars. Something to consider there.

I assume that our ships also have artificial gravity. If artificial gravity is so widespread, then I assume that anti-gravity is also a distinct possibility. This would be important if you want to allow at least frigates to land on planets without even a nod at aerodynamic design. Even if they are capable, it doesn't necessarily mean that they regularly do fly in atmosphere. I imagine that there are lots of shuttles, transports, lifters, launches, tugs, landers, and lighters used to ferry stuff around and to/from the surface to orbit.

The tritanium thing might also be a bit of a red herring. Iron is also unstable in atmospheric conditions - it oxidises - but that is not necessarily too much of a problem. It's also not unreasonable to assume that when a ship is built, the various materials are combined to make alloys.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2008.12.23 05:16:00 - [8]
 

As it stands with current PF, I am inclined to accept only that dedicated station-to-surface craft can do the whole dirtside mambo thing from an RP standpoint. There is way too much PF out there that says "oh hell no" to the ships we fly landing on planets.


Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2008.12.23 08:36:00 - [9]
 

It is also noteworthy that the part of Theodicy with the Rifter landed would be in an asteroid mining colony. And it was escorted in by two Jove Wraiths, so you could as well say that it landed by magic.

Dr Stone
Caldari
Gone Viking
Posted - 2008.12.23 11:15:00 - [10]
 

Taking into account the fact that Tractor Beams exist in the EVE Universe, such technology might very well be used on larger scales to assist in planetery takeoffs (and landings). Not to mention explaining the reason why ships in hangars seem to 'float' when there should be artificial gravity. Tractorbeam emitters holding it in place.

Esna Pitoojee
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2008.12.23 18:21:00 - [11]
 

For the most part, a ship would only be able to descend to a planetary atmosphere with some form of specialized equipment (think a giant sled mounted on an orbital elevator or some form of detachable lifting body). Of course, this makes landing on anything but the most developed planets difficult, let alone so expensive it would be simpler to build a ship specifically for orbit-to-surface hauling.

That said, we know that the empires can build craft capable of landing, and in large numbers.

Of particular interest to me are whatever vessels the Amarr Empire used to carry away the original Minmatar slaves; if they were small ships only capable of carrying a small number of slaves, it would take far to long to fill the waiting orbital transports, so they must be reasonably sized.

Xailz
Godless Horizon.
Nomads Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.24 00:21:00 - [12]
 

Well it certainly wont be capable on anything bigger then a Battleship

The Chimera Carrier (iirc) description entails of one nearing a planets atmosphere and causing atmospheric disturbances and weather changes or something like that

Shuttles would definitely be an option for it however you gotta then make a new ship class tbh in order to ferry things from planet to space as imagine trying to land an Iteron? i can't understand how they undock without exploding

Xailz

Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
Posted - 2008.12.24 06:17:00 - [13]
 

I believe that the story about the carrier refers to Torbil-Tova (hope i spelled that right) putting his ship into an uncontrolled retrograde orbit, effectively turning it into a kinetic energy weapon. Think the asteroid from Armageddon, only smaller.

If you had sufficient control of the vessel and something like a planetary tractor beam (or its logical extension, the repulsor beam) you could ease the ship down to the planet. Even a freighter or carrier.

The things you have to worry about are constructions with enough mass to alter tidal action and orbits, like moons and such. A Titan, might be something to worry about in that respect, but not likely. You might be able to get it down, though, but damned unlikely to get it up again, just too much mass.

As to the Minmatar slave evac, I would assume Bestower class transports or equivalent, maybe even an early version of a freighter. Dunno about that for sure, though. According to the PF I have seen , freighters are a relatively new idea, and one the Caldari started.

Just from a physics point of view however, getting something DOWN the gravity well is easy, getting it UP again is the tricky part. Thats where the things like anti-grav or repulsor tech would shine.

Of course, the energy budget for an installation powerful enough to push or pull even a battleship would be ... enormous. As far as I know, ship mounted tractor beams can only pull cans, and they have the output of a ships reactor to work with. And the size of a ship capable tractor beam would be... also enormous.

None of this makes it impossible however, and you could integrate it into RP if you really wanted to. The basic tech is already there, the stations have grav plating and grav fields to control gravity, (they have weather control in the stations too as a side note) and the ships have tractor beams which have to be a focused form of gravity control.

Its all there, you just have to use your imagination a bit and extrapolate a few things.

Just my take on it.

Mernor Akat
The Scope
Posted - 2008.12.24 23:09:00 - [14]
 

I've always assumed that shuttles are the only ship really meant for planetary flight. All 5 of them (even the Jove one IIRC) are symmetrical and sort of similar to what our planes look like. All they're missing is landing gear which I assume can be added on or landing is achieved through some kind of anti gravity beam like others have mentioned. Getting back to space is more difficult but not impossible. Using something like a giant mass driver to get shuttles going is what I always thought would work great.

ollobrains2
Gallente
New Eve Order Holdings
Posted - 2008.12.25 22:56:00 - [15]
 

like the jove promised but ccp ends up chasing stuff elsewhere

coldkill
Gallente
The Amesha Spentaz Irregulars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.25 23:28:00 - [16]
 

EVE does contain Lead, Titanium and Iron. The former and latter of the three are Hybrid Charges, Titanium is a moon resource if I'm not mistaken and Titanium Diborite is used in the construction of Caldari vessels.

Tritanium is the base mineral from which all ships are created in EVE. It forms the base building block of starship construction and, according to it's item entry, is unstable at atmospheric temperatures, thus not being used in human habitats. However, shuttles are only constructed of Tritanium and are designed to ferry passengers and small amounts of freight although it should be noted, it's not been mentioned if it ferries planetside or not.

Silver Night
Caldari
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2008.12.25 23:57:00 - [17]
 

If you read the Titan chron it says that when they get to near to planetary bodies they can alter the tidal patterns.

There is plainly gravity generation, which makes something like antigrav a possibility, however there is some question as to scale. As for aerodynamics, well, that is what the shield is for.

Real problems would be whether the shields could take it (given what they are exposed to in fights, I would think yes) and what it would do to the area where they landed. There might be other reasons that it is only saf to operate the ships in space (exotic radiation and things from the power sources or thrusters, as an example).


 

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