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Frazer Shad
Caldari
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2008.12.22 02:03:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: ssgt slaughter

as general Patton said while retreating we will return and with that said we have.


AAhhhh...unforgivable.....
He was Douglas MacArthur while retreating from Philippines, not Patton.

Miracle Zizo
Gallente
Victorious Bastards
Posted - 2008.12.22 04:45:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Lups
Channel Name: Private Chat (Death's Death)
Listener: Lups
Session started: 2008.12.19 21:42:08
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[ 2008.12.19 21:42:26 ] Lups > sup
[ 2008.12.19 21:42:39 ] Death's Death > hey
[ 2008.12.19 21:44:54 ] Lups > can i help ?
[ 2008.12.19 21:45:13 ] Death's Death > ya
[ 2008.12.19 21:45:23 ] Death's Death > what is Scorch's plans right now
[ 2008.12.19 21:45:27 ] Lups > lmfao
[ 2008.12.19 21:45:35 ] Death's Death > to leave im guessing
[ 2008.12.19 21:45:49 ] Lups > are u completly mad or just acting it ?
[ 2008.12.19 21:46:07 ] Death's Death > completly
[ 2008.12.19 21:46:19 ] Death's Death > u guys r under attack as well rnt u?
[ 2008.12.19 21:46:26 ] Lups > dood who are u
[ 2008.12.19 21:46:41 ] Death's Death > a nobody i just wanted to see ur guys situation atm


sniffing for intel b4 a reset, seems to me they knew exatly what was goin off and proclaim back stabbing wen it falls appart..

shame shame know yer name


does that mean that if i open a chat log with my alt and give you intel about penubra back stabing you you will fall for it ?

it is not so hard to know who are the contacts of Liberty. that means that Death's Death is just a member and if you fall for him you are stupid.







Miracle Zizo
Gallente
Victorious Bastards
Posted - 2008.12.22 04:51:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: bloem
liberty your not the only one going back to empire scorched earth is coming with you as well same goes for penumbra give it not even a month and you all will be removed so go and pack your **** up and leave


i was given the orders not to post chat logs , but hope the best for you guys. you will get what you like pvp pvp pvp pvp pvp

nice way to reset your allies by the way.


Miracle Zizo
Gallente
Victorious Bastards
Posted - 2008.12.22 05:11:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Deira Lenia
Your NAP with the NC was temporary, and it was a known fact right of the moment you started setting the NC blue.

NC's lack of appreciations for local blues is a known one, but right from the start NC refused to set standings to any locals, this was the moment i personaly started pulling Void. out, as there was absolute no way possible that Liberty. Penumbra and Scorched Earth would survive even a minor attack from WI. or IRON, as they are not only bigger, but have a overall better activity ratio and much stronger standings with the rest of the NC then the newly settled napfest.

Your approach of pushing alliances to merge into liberty to "solve" the standings issue with NC was therefor useless, as the capability to remain in Pure Blind or surroundings would still not be achieved. (pointing at NC's huge blob here, vs the "micro rotating gangs" GLC randomly fielded)

The Development of the region was seriously weak. I'm figuring BOB let their towers go offline as we looted some nice stuff here and there, but noticed noone made any attempt at taking any of the high end moons that were available through the area. Apart from RZR, WI, TRI and MM who quickly deployed their towers around in the next few days.

By the time you took EC- you should have started moving assets out. IRON, RZR and various other NC alliances started to deposit assets in your and close by outposts.

Sometimes a clean retreat is better then a bitter defeat.

Ya picked the wrong option this time but knowing you i'm figuring we will see Liberty sov on the map not too long from now.




1- yes the nap was temporally we all knew that.
2- we tried to get you a blue standing with the NC to reduce the bla bla bla in fleets, but it was something to be solved between your alliances and them. we never said tha we can do that.
3- several allaince under teh GLA or living in the pure blind came with the idea of joininig us and asked for it to happen , so we said it loud.

4- the development of the region, we didn't intend to keep pure blind to us, no one could do it before and no one will be ablr to hold it for a long time. lesson learned from eve history books.

5- who said that we had a bitter defeat, and did not retreated. and yes don't worry rest ashured that we got out of pure blind with more of what we came in by a lot.
here i want to thanks all the liberty. joint operations to get stuff out in time before that the **** hits. and i would present my most dislikes to people who did not help when they could so it / or tried to scam our members, anyways they don't have the spirit to be part of us and they are kicked or they left ( this reduced my mail, thx for helping me)

6- 'Ya picked the wrong option this time but knowing you i'm figuring we will see Liberty sov on the map not too long from now.'
happy christams and see you soon, please CCP can we choose our color on the sov map ?

conclusion: liberty is not dispanding, we will enjoy xmas and new years and continue to do our stuff.

like i say : TUT TUT TUT this is a nice system.

for LIBERTY.
for it's glorious pilots
see you soon

Securitas Protector
Gallente
The Concordiat
Concordiat Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.22 07:24:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Securitas Protector on 22/12/2008 07:25:19
I must say that I think all the negative energy directed at Liberty. is a little unfair. I joined and it's been a very nice experience with very nice people. I've always respected our allies, ratted with them, and in general had a great time. Our enemies overpowered us, simple as that. Although I think Sc0rched and Penumbra should have done more investigating before simply resetting, there's nothing we can do for that now. I for one swear that I had nothing but good intentions for the both of you, and as far as I know, same with the leadership. Very Happy

Point is:

We're not as bad as all that. :) I hope us and our allies stay friends because it's been fun flying with you guys(Dark Trinity I'm looking at you.) I think there will be good days ahead.

Have a great day,

Sec

protomatter777
Gallente
War Tactical Groups
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.12.22 08:08:00 - [66]
 

Pre Note: I speak for myself and NOT on behalf of my current alliance: Phoenix Rising, or my Corp. I've been in this game since early 03 & have several characters. I've been a member of two seperate NC Alliances among several others so asking who I am will get you no-where. It's irrelevant anyway but I understand the big picture of things in this game. This is just my 2cents worth and impressions as a 3rd party close observer.

Liberty assisted the NC in a good faith effort to establish positive long-term standings with the NC. The NC led Liberty to believe that in order to secure positive standings, Liberty had to “prove themselves” in the North first and assist the NC with their campaign. There was no mention about resetting standings afterward. If Liberty hadn’t proven themselves worthy while fighting along side the NC against BoB, Goodfellas, Executive Outcome, and several others, I don’t know what else could convinced them that Liberty had what it took. Liberty kicked butt and took control over much of Pure Blind. In my mind, the NC only used Liberty. to help them in their campaign. Once it was over, they so elegantly reset standings & called it normal procedure while they launch a full scale invasion of Liberty space starting with IRON in EC. (IRON couldn’t handle their own if you gave them the capitals – they’re the weakest link in the NC – They’re the FIRST to fall every time in any attack on the NC.)

BTW, if Scorched Earth & Penumbra knew before-hand that standings were going to be reset, why in the world would they have helped the NC? (Can we use common sense here?) This is simply an excuse to cover up the truth. The truth is this,- Scorched Earth & Penumbra were told by NC that Liberty would “potentially” betray them if Liberty was offered standings with the NC/or to ultimately become part of the NC. The information was used against Liberty to alienate Liberty from Scorched Earth & Penumbra. The tactic worked and the North Could continue it's attack against Liberty with no one to help them. IRON wanted Pure Blind and the NC had no intention on including Liberty in plans.

Liberty, you’ll always have at least one friend here! What the NC has done against you has tarnished the Northern Coalitions reputation to several people in-game I have come across lately. Evil or Very Mad Many now know that if you assist the NC with their campaigns and help them to win, they’ll simply reset standings & chalk it up to a normal procedure. My personal opinion, if you help the NC and your not a part of the NC - your alliance is going to get shafted in the end. For those of you who know about Liberty, Liberty has become a formidable force to consider. I hope all of you in Liberty stick together, reorganize, and come back stronger than ever. Who ever establishes positive standings with you will greatly benefit I'm sure.

Protomatter - Director
The Independent Navy Association (TINA)

Sir Emorage
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.12.22 08:35:00 - [67]
 

some of what your smoking i will have plz

BruceLee CRO
Caldari
THC LTD
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2008.12.22 09:33:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: protomatter777
Pre Note: I speak for myself and NOT on behalf of my current alliance: Phoenix Rising, or my Corp. I've been in this game since early 03 & have several characters. I've been a member of two seperate NC Alliances among several others so asking who I am will get you no-where. It's irrelevant anyway but I understand the big picture of things in this game. This is just my 2cents worth and impressions as a 3rd party close observer.

Liberty assisted the NC in a good faith effort to establish positive long-term standings with the NC. The NC led Liberty to believe that in order to secure positive standings, Liberty had to “prove themselves” in the North first and assist the NC with their campaign. There was no mention about resetting standings afterward. If Liberty hadn’t proven themselves worthy while fighting along side the NC against BoB, Goodfellas, Executive Outcome, and several others, I don’t know what else could convinced them that Liberty had what it took. Liberty kicked butt and took control over much of Pure Blind. In my mind, the NC only used Liberty. to help them in their campaign. Once it was over, they so elegantly reset standings & called it normal procedure while they launch a full scale invasion of Liberty space starting with IRON in EC. (IRON couldn’t handle their own if you gave them the capitals – they’re the weakest link in the NC – They’re the FIRST to fall every time in any attack on the NC.)

BTW, if Scorched Earth & Penumbra knew before-hand that standings were going to be reset, why in the world would they have helped the NC? (Can we use common sense here?) This is simply an excuse to cover up the truth. The truth is this,- Scorched Earth & Penumbra were told by NC that Liberty would “potentially” betray them if Liberty was offered standings with the NC/or to ultimately become part of the NC. The information was used against Liberty to alienate Liberty from Scorched Earth & Penumbra. The tactic worked and the North Could continue it's attack against Liberty with no one to help them. IRON wanted Pure Blind and the NC had no intention on including Liberty in plans.

Liberty, you’ll always have at least one friend here! What the NC has done against you has tarnished the Northern Coalitions reputation to several people in-game I have come across lately. Evil or Very Mad Many now know that if you assist the NC with their campaigns and help them to win, they’ll simply reset standings & chalk it up to a normal procedure. My personal opinion, if you help the NC and your not a part of the NC - your alliance is going to get shafted in the end. For those of you who know about Liberty, Liberty has become a formidable force to consider. I hope all of you in Liberty stick together, reorganize, and come back stronger than ever. Who ever establishes positive standings with you will greatly benefit I'm sure.

Protomatter - Director
The Independent Navy Association (TINA)



sounds like right. lol at those allainces thinking that helping nc against us they will become important to NC. rofl

128th ABC123
Caldari
Lucky Clover Investments
Posted - 2008.12.22 11:04:00 - [69]
 

Liberty folks, threads over, Pure Behind. Moving on. Arrow

Darekish
Caldari
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.12.22 11:37:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Darekish on 22/12/2008 11:41:02
Edited by: Darekish on 22/12/2008 11:39:23
Quote:
BTW, if Scorched Earth & Penumbra knew before-hand that standings were going to be reset, why in the world would they have helped the NC? (Can we use common sense here?) This is simply an excuse to cover up the truth. The truth is this,- Scorched Earth & Penumbra were told by NC that Liberty would “potentially” betray them if Liberty was offered standings with the NC/or to ultimately become part of the NC. The information was used against Liberty to alienate Liberty from Scorched Earth & Penumbra. The tactic worked and the North Could continue it's attack against Liberty with no one to help them. IRON wanted Pure Blind and the NC had no intention on including Liberty in plans.


Now that’s just too funny for words Laughing

Our position in brief:

BYRN moved into Fade as a small new alliance, we knew the risks and chose that route because it looked like more fun than what we had been doing in our previous alliance. At that time we had no blues and tbh we didn’t really want then. We settled into Fade, made friends with Penumbra who have earned a lot of respect from us, and started to work alongside Liberty (although their contribution to the trio was always the smaller one). Goodfellas were our northern neighbour from day one and we were always neutral to them and had lots of fun pew pew with them in Fade & Dek. When we found out that NC were to launch a full assault on GF it fitted with our long term hostilities with GF and sounded like fun so we offered to help, a temporary NAP with NC was agreed to permit this, we ran our own gangs and opps into Dek and killed plenty of GF whilst harassing their regular activities. We knew as soon as NC went for GF in Dek that sooner or later we would end up fighting some part of the NC in Fade, but its all pew eh?.

Once GF were beaten TCF moved in and the reset we had expected with MM & RZR etc. happened. This was no shock, TBH we have always valued our independence from the big power blocks, knew the risks and hoped for some fun pvp. Sadly Liberty. saw holding space in a different way to us and did whatever they could to hang on to PB inc trying to make deals behind their allies backs, we found out and they got reset, simple really. Atm we are having a ball fighting MH in Fade (and still found time to get some nice kills from liberty pilots Very Happy ), whatever the outcome we are getting what Eve is all about, plenty of pvp fun and a pile of nice kills.


Dare.

Edit - typos.

BruceLee CRO
Caldari
THC LTD
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2008.12.22 11:41:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Darekish
Edited by: Darekish on 22/12/2008 11:39:23
Quote:
BTW, if Scorched Earth & Penumbra knew before-hand that standings were going to be reset, why in the world would they have helped the NC? (Can we use common sense here?) This is simply an excuse to cover up the truth. The truth is this,- Scorched Earth & Penumbra were told by NC that Liberty would “potentially” betray them if Liberty was offered standings with the NC/or to ultimately become part of the NC. The information was used against Liberty to alienate Liberty from Scorched Earth & Penumbra. The tactic worked and the North Could continue it's attack against Liberty with no one to help them. IRON wanted Pure Blind and the NC had no intention on including Liberty in plans.


Now that’s just too funny for words Laughing

Our position in brief:

BYRN moved into Fade as a small new alliance, we knew the risks and chose that route because it looked like more fun than what we had been doing in our previous alliance. At that time we had no blues and tbh we didn’t really want then. We settled into Fade, made friends with Penumbra who have earned a lot of respect from us, and started to work alongside Liberty (although their contribution to the trio was always the smaller one). Goodfellas were our northern neighbour from day one and we were always neutral to them and had lots of fun pew pew with them in Fade & Dek. When we found out that NC were to launch a full assault on GF it fitted with our long term hostilities with GF and sounded like fun so we offered to help, a temporary NAP with NC was agreed to permit this, we ran our own gangs and opps into Dek and killed plenty of GF whilst harassing their regular activities. We knew as soon as NC went for GF in Dek that sooner or later we would end up fighting some part of the NC in Fade, but its all pew eh?.

Once GF were beaten TCF moved in and the reset we had expected with MM & RZR etc. happened. This was no shock, TBH we have always valued our independence from the big power blocks, knew the risks and hoped for some fun pvp. Sadly Liberty. saw holding space in a different way to us and did whatever they could to hang on to PB inc trying to make deals behind their allies backs, we found out and they got reset, simple really. Atm we are having a ball fighting MH in Fade (and had still found time to get some nice kills from liberty pilots Very Happy ), whatever the outcome we are getting what Eve is all about, plenty of pvp fun and a pile of nice kills.


Dare.



what you are saying is that you helped NC to remove us faster so they can remove YOU faster ??? nice logic.

Darekish
Caldari
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.12.22 11:53:00 - [72]
 

You, them, whoever sooner or later someone was going to try and take Fade from us. I guess now we get to see how well we can do defending our space against a much larger force. So far they have POS spammed L-C and we have killed two of their Dreads next door in C4C so fun all round Twisted Evil. Whatever the result we will learn from the experience and bounce back stronger.

Dare.

Centauris
Gallente
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.22 12:13:00 - [73]
 

All these walls of texts for this. 1+1=2

Ethan Hawk
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.12.22 12:50:00 - [74]
 

did you really believe that you will stay up there??? omg dudes... welcome to EvE!

Darekish
Caldari
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.12.22 13:27:00 - [75]
 

Quote:
did you really believe that you will stay up there??? omg dudes... welcome to EvE!


Never said that, we are here to have some fun for as long as it lasts.

Dare.

Binah 369
Minmatar
Multiverse Corporation
Cosmic Anomalies
Posted - 2008.12.22 13:59:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Darekish
You, them, whoever sooner or later someone was going to try and take Fade from us. I guess now we get to see how well we can do defending our space against a much larger force. So far they have POS spammed L-C and we have killed two of their Dreads next door in C4C so fun all round Twisted Evil. Whatever the result we will learn from the experience and bounce back stronger.

Dare.




tbh m8, you would have done better by seeking a relationship with GODS. We were content with occupying space in Dek, and you prolly wouldn't be threatened out of Fade the way you are right now. But, eh,whatever.......gives you plenty of pew. I know you guys...you will enjoy the pew. It is, after all....what this game is about. GLuck guys.

Microsoft Sam
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2008.12.22 14:23:00 - [77]
 

If you don't hold the high end moons fades crap.

Relentless Phantsm
Minmatar
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.12.22 17:01:00 - [78]
 

Im still trying to figure out how in the world of Eve did Liberty ever expect to hold Pure Blind? Sc0rched Earth is gonna get kicked out of Fade, and when it comes down to it, sticking together or not neither one of them were going to get to stay. Liberty came in to take BoB table scraps like the lemmings they are, and ABC thought they actually had a chance there, but when you T1 fit a Phoenix then you should know right then you will fail.

MASTER SMAMMAH
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.22 18:32:00 - [79]
 

I used to be in ELF/Liberty. for a long time. They actually use honor and their word is good. They have never backstabbed anyone even when their allies were doinf stupid things. When they say something and make a deal, they stand by it. You will see them again. They only get stronger with adversity. I was with them in Catch when AAA invaded. They had SOV there. We moved to PB. Look what they have achieved. More SOV in aa much stronger alliance. They only get better with time. They will continue to get better and stronger.

Twoside
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.22 19:13:00 - [80]
 

I must say that I'm impressed the way Scorched have reacted both ingame and in public about anything that has happened, epeens to you lot :)

NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2008.12.22 20:10:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: NereSky on 24/12/2008 10:50:22
Edited by: NereSky on 24/12/2008 10:49:46
Originally by: Twoside
I must say that I'm impressed the way Scorched have reacted both ingame and in public about anything that has happened, epeens to you lot :)


Thankyou - ive been flying and fightin alongside the North for as long as i can remember, took a break from Politics to have a crack at merc work, tbh all this hullabaloo means absolutely nothing to me and other pilots of long standing association to the North,

1 entity has always call the shots in the North and that will always be the case from 'G' and Old 'Iron' days to the days of D2 to now RAWR, although calling the shots doesnt necessarily mean giving out direct orders but more facillitating a plan,

Unfortunately Scorched earth and Liberty dont feature heavily in the plan but it is fun atm and that at the end of the day is what it is all about,

As always i salute the Idea of a Unified North and may the Northern star shine its light on all Northern pilots (except Mostly Harmless who appear to be ex LV and M Pire and will be a weak link for the North) :)

Shpuntik
Minmatar
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.12.23 00:09:00 - [82]
 

guess this explains the recent increase in capital useage by SE and friends then.

Aaron Mirrorsaver
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.12.23 00:34:00 - [83]
 

what does fred0 have to say about dis here things?

Sinc
Caldari
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.23 14:10:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: Sinc on 23/12/2008 14:16:59
to behonest dosn't come as a surprice that liberty is on their own now, there have been alot of prensence from other alliances in their space for weeks and liberty do nothing about it them self. So what use is it to have allies that wont even defend their own space, yet alone help other allies.

Freedomz
Amarr
DevilDog Brigade
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.12.23 17:27:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Sinc
Edited by: Sinc on 23/12/2008 14:16:59
to behonest dosn't come as a surprice that liberty is on their own now, there have been alot of prensence from other alliances in their space for weeks and liberty do nothing about it them self. So what use is it to have allies that wont even defend their own space, yet alone help other allies.



funny thing about that, less then a week before the standings reset we had a joint op with sc0rched & Penumbra :(

Death's Death
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2009.01.05 03:51:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Death''s Death on 05/01/2009 04:08:50
Originally by: Darekish
Quote:
Liberty. has a back full of knives...

Care to comment NC? Scorched Earth? Penumbra?


Its a tad rich for Liberty. to be complaining here about knives in the back..

The reason we reset them was our finding out about discussions Liberty. was having with others to do EXACTLY that to Penumbra and ourselves. The reset was in effect brought on directly Liberty's own actions. Judging from the convo spams we have received since the reset from their leaders Im sure that thay will post here and deny that, but in the end thats why we did what we did and we are confident our actions were correct. Libery are now squeeling because they find that their actions leave them in trouble from IRON with no friends to call upon, thats Eve, enjoy the pvp (i beleive its why we play).

Anyhow as El'rac says Sc0rched Earth is here here for the fun, so lets get on and have some good fights and see what happens next.

Dare.




So you u say u get intell that were going to back stab u guys from im guessing NC (u guys r idiots and will belive them after they start shooting ur towers) then you think were going to stab u in the back and your best judgement is instead of confront them with this, lets go over there and start shooting , and let stab them in the back first.

Your logic is outstanding plz say your not in charge of anything important in game and well RL

BTW next time u guys dont have to deffend ur self if your going to post only the mid part of a chat its rediclous i seem like an idiot in that chat, my guess u guys will fall apart when NC starts going after u full on.

NC obviously has lied to u, and u guys r stupid enough to belive them. hats off to the guys for tricking SE we didnt except that to happen kinda ruin the fun of resiting NC as long as we could, (let them do alot of the dirty work :( )

I've learned to become a heartless bastard who trust no one after this experince, and BOB doesnt seem like as big as *******s anymore because they are the only group who havnt backstabbed us yet, but im sure they will when they get the chance.


Tek Manson
Gallente
Upboat Industries
Posted - 2009.01.05 04:19:00 - [87]
 

nice emorage necro.

Microsoft Sam
Caldari
Pilots Of Honour
Aeternus.
Posted - 2009.01.05 14:21:00 - [88]
 

I have a secret... I see dead threads

Adelphie
Caldari
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2009.01.11 00:45:00 - [89]
 

Liberty. I've flown with you before and you were sound guys... just please for the love of god stay away from the forums the emo rage in this thread is too much.

Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Eternal Ascension
Posted - 2009.01.12 11:55:00 - [90]
 

Pure Blind was fun to live in, Liberty were pretty cool to fly with, all good things come to end. With our corp pulling out of Dark Trinity our Northern adventure is at any end and I find myself back where it all started, in goddamn Curse again Very Happy.

I'll use this thread to give a shout out to all the guys I've flown with up North:

Props to Liberty, Penumbra, Daco, Scorched Earth and Unnatural Selection, pleasure flying and fighting with you guys for the last 3 months or so.

Also had some pretty sweet fights, so props to Atlas, Evoke, Huzzah, Tri, Mostly Harmless and the rest of the bunch we shot at and got shot by.

- Norwood.


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