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Jalif
Minmatar
Snuff Box
Posted - 2008.12.23 15:09:00 - [61]
 

/me applauses

Good Job on the Video - gives me the energy to work on my own video.

Princess Aricia
Gallente
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.23 15:19:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Rassja
awesome video; really shows what they can do.

Triage carriers are for the rich or the communist, however - that seige mode makes you unreppable so you are gonna die when they bring in the dreads (or just enough dps)

does anyone have a link to this guys last video, similar kind of thing (minus the triage) vs RA? that was really good too and i need to give it another DL. i think it was called something like "60(#?) caps down in great wildlands"


The first video, 50+ caps down in GW

Espoir
Trident Armed Forces
Republic Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.23 17:45:00 - [63]
 

Great work!
I begin to love my alliance :)
Hope I can use my Triage soon.

Master Technique
Club Bear
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2008.12.23 21:45:00 - [64]
 

Really good job. Being Club Bear, its my moral duty to hate caps, but this video does a great job of showing how to use them with class, in a role they were meant to shine in.

Also just generally nice presentation with the voice over and such. Gives it an extra something that a lot of other videos lack.

Highly recommended (wish I could do the thumbs up thing like in the assembly hall forum, /poke forum admins...give us the power of Ebert)

Tech

Shiva Russell
Posted - 2008.12.24 09:28:00 - [65]
 

Very nice...Smile

Lord EmBra
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.24 10:58:00 - [66]
 

Nice movie! Very Happy

Are you considering skilling up for a nidhoggur for extra support awesomeness?

Silent Killa
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct.
Posted - 2008.12.24 12:12:00 - [67]
 

Really really nice videoShocked

linkeleo
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.24 14:40:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Lord EmBra
Nice movie! Very Happy

Are you considering skilling up for a nidhoggur for extra support awesomeness?


lol, chimera is better than nidtissue because of the resist bonus :-)

Rassja
The Partisan Brigade
Posted - 2008.12.24 15:22:00 - [69]
 

archon more often, unless you are triaging a sheild tank fleet.

but yeah, sure the nid would rep more, but in triage mode, are you ever really in danger of not having enough remote rep?

with double remote reppers, in seige, the diffrence the nid's bonus's means you basically have the equivalent of 10 reppers instead of 8. the downside is your much easier to be killed yourself.

so much for the intended role of the nidhoggur....

basically, the nid is best for non-triage hotdrops, still throw out a bit of extra dps and rep without triage where its bonus is a bit more meaningful. or if you have a mixed tank type fleet since it gets bonus's to both. but then, thanny's damage bonus is just as nice since most hotdrops are ganks anyways.

min caps are crap tbh. if the nid had a self-rep amount bonus, combined with triage mode it might be better (archon/chimera's resist bonus is better when being RR'd but in seige the self-rep bonus would be just as good, math depending).

Thx for that other link i asked for, dl-ing Cool

Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.25 01:22:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Rassja
archon more often, unless you are triaging a sheild tank fleet.

but yeah, sure the nid would rep more, but in triage mode, are you ever really in danger of not having enough remote rep?




Whilst I sometimes do both shield and armour rep in triage (Raven devotees sometimes need considerable prodding to armour tank, and of course POS repping antics), I will use an Archon once I have Amarr Carrier V on Alazais. It has lots of cap, armour and the perfect bonus. The reason for waiting for Carrier V is that it's amazing how often I end up needing the last few km of the 52km range. Mobility of support fleet, good cyno placement, etc. all make that very important.

Archivian Specialatus
Amarr
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.26 14:54:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Lord Maldoror
Originally by: Rassja
archon more often, unless you are triaging a sheild tank fleet.

but yeah, sure the nid would rep more, but in triage mode, are you ever really in danger of not having enough remote rep?




Whilst I sometimes do both shield and armour rep in triage (Raven devotees sometimes need considerable prodding to armour tank, and of course POS repping antics), I will use an Archon once I have Amarr Carrier V on Alazais. It has lots of cap, armour and the perfect bonus. The reason for waiting for Carrier V is that it's amazing how often I end up needing the last few km of the 52km range. Mobility of support fleet, good cyno placement, etc. all make that very important.


Great video and the commentry by the lovely PA made it easy to follow and more interesting.

About the Archon. Isnt it less versatile than the Thanatos? Where the Thanatos can still Shield and armour rep and its tank it also pretty sweet, cap isnt too bad and when not in triage it has some serious dps with its fighters. So which is better?

Lord EmBra
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.26 21:21:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Lord EmBra on 26/12/2008 21:26:13
Edited by: Lord EmBra on 26/12/2008 21:25:32
oups, doublepost

Lord EmBra
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.26 21:25:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Lord EmBra on 26/12/2008 21:25:12
nvm.

Great movie. Very Happy

seliana tanis
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.12.27 00:48:00 - [74]
 

Enjoyed it, different to most of the vids coming out atm.

Xephys
Empire Assault Corp
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2008.12.27 01:24:00 - [75]
 

Nice video, maybe idiots will shut up about triage being a useless module now. Probably not. Oh well.

bluberdumpf
Posted - 2008.12.27 07:29:00 - [76]
 

im sorry but although the vid is nicely done and you make valid points about the triage module and how if used correctly you can screw the enemy... the example of the carrier in a belt being rescued.... no 1 the carrier shouldnt have done somthing so stupid and 2 dripping in like that was dumb as they could have had reienforcements enrout in the form of hic's and a hot drop of moros heck mibi black ops even...(the broadsword is one example of why not to drip in one by one it got lucky as hell). an example of why i left fdn _

Princess Aricia
Gallente
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.27 08:17:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Princess Aricia on 27/12/2008 08:19:56
Originally by: bluberdumpf
im sorry but although the vid is nicely done and you make valid points about the triage module and how if used correctly you can screw the enemy... the example of the carrier in a belt being rescued.... no 1 the carrier shouldnt have done somthing so stupid and 2 dripping in like that was dumb as they could have had reienforcements enrout in the form of hic's and a hot drop of moros heck mibi black ops even...(the broadsword is one example of why not to drip in one by one it got lucky as hell). an example of why i left fdn _


When you get a bad situation, you try to make the best out of it.
That is what's been done here..
That is what the video shows... not that someone was using this as a tactic.

And "what if's" doesn't count here..
They didn't have a black ops or a big support gang..
IF they had... I'm sure we would have dealt with it in the best way we could have.

bluberdumpf
Posted - 2008.12.27 11:04:00 - [78]
 

still that section of the video wasn't a testament to the use of triage but merely an example of bad fc'ing on behalf of your opponent.

Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.27 11:21:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Lord Maldoror on 27/12/2008 11:28:03
Originally by: bluberdumpf
im sorry but although the vid is nicely done and you make valid points about the triage module and how if used correctly you can screw the enemy... the example of the carrier in a belt being rescued.... no 1 the carrier shouldnt have done somthing so stupid and 2 dripping in like that was dumb as they could have had reienforcements enrout in the form of hic's and a hot drop of moros heck mibi black ops even...(the broadsword is one example of why not to drip in one by one it got lucky as hell). an example of why i left fdn _


You do have a point, the carrier being assisted probably shouldn't be in a belt with 30 hostiles on it :P

But on the flipside it's also a game, and people go to help their friends - which, as I recall, was how the carrier being rescued got stuck in the first place. So in a sense he's just doing the same thing I am.

This sort of things happens - possibly worryingly? :) - regularly and maybe next time I get dropped by 10 Moros doing that. Such is life.

I do stand by the call to bring the support in one at a time though, as and when they were able. The original rescue gang had been killed you see, as the narration mentions. So support was becoming available one ship at a time. With a stalemate established, warping one ship in at a time encouraged them to stay and attempt to kill each new target (in case the rep couldn't switch fast enough, or a shield tank in the case of the Broadsword), while trusting their Falcons to keep the incoming ships quiet.

If we'd waited 10-15mins and then warped everything in at once they'd have warped out at seeing local spike - but by gradually overwhelming the blanket jamming, we were able to get a bunch of kills once it suddenly broke.

Originally by: bluberdumpf
still that section of the video wasn't a testament to the use of triage but merely an example of bad fc'ing on behalf of your opponent.


I don't think it could have been possible without triage though. Maybe dropping a cap fleet (which wasn't available) would have scared them off but 3-4 carriers would have got jammed and he was out of cap too. The added bonus was that combined with the ability to safely bring in one target at a time, to an effective stalemate zone, we were able to actually get some revenge kills too, as described above. And their FC is pretty good I think; an xdeathx gang (good pvpers) who after all defeated the first rescue gang earlier on.

As an aside, my favourite part about things like this is that it's often my friend Knightstar who calls me. But no matter the situation, we remain quintessentially English on the telephone. So whether motherships are in structure, or the sky is falling, the conversation must proceed sensibly.

(Ring, Ring)
"Hello there"
(10% armour)
"Greetings, how are you?"
(1% armour)
"I'm fine thank you. How are things with you?"
(70% structure)
"Oh not bad at all, old chap, thanks for asking. Minor situation in Eve, actually, of all things".
(60% structure)
"Oh really? What might be the matter?")
(50% structure)
"Yes, indeed. We may possibly, other obligations notwithstanding, need a triage carrier to....."

etc. Smile

Argyle Jones
Minmatar
Ministry of Destruction
P I R A T E S
Posted - 2008.12.27 22:07:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Lord Maldoror


(10% armour)
"Greetings, how are you?"
(1% armour)
"I'm fine thank you. How are things with you?"
(70% structure)
"Oh not bad at all, old chap, thanks for asking. Minor situation in Eve, actually, of all things".
(60% structure)
"Oh really? What might be the matter?")
(50% structure)
"Yes, indeed. We may possibly, other obligations notwithstanding, need a triage carrier to....."

etc. Smile



You Sir, have put a smile on my face today!

/Argyle Jones

ShateredHeart
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.29 12:04:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Lord Maldoror

(Ring, Ring)
"Hello there"
(10% armour)
"Greetings, how are you?"
(1% armour)
"I'm fine thank you. How are things with you?"
(70% structure)
"Oh not bad at all, old chap, thanks for asking. Minor situation in Eve, actually, of all things".
(60% structure)
"Oh really? What might be the matter?")
(50% structure)
"Yes, indeed. We may possibly, other obligations notwithstanding, need a triage carrier to....."


Totaly sounds like a knightstar convo Very HappyRazz

Janet Marshall
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.30 01:03:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Janet Marshall on 30/12/2008 01:09:32
Great video.

What song is it that you used?

What version of Ameno is it?

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2008.12.30 02:19:00 - [83]
 

really great production. nice one.

Salami Jackson
Fairlight Corp
FOUNDATI0N
Posted - 2008.12.30 02:48:00 - [84]
 

Fantastic video and the narration deserves an Academy award. I want Princess Aricia's autograph. The next time I see Alazais in gang, he should know this video will have given me the confidence to dump my tank modules and fit 7x magnetic field stabilizers.

Lord Maldoror
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.12.31 12:31:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Lord Maldoror on 31/12/2008 12:36:48
Originally by: Janet Marshall
Edited by: Janet Marshall on 30/12/2008 01:09:32
Great video.

What song is it that you used?

What version of Ameno is it?


Cheers. The opening track is by the band Era (wiki) and the first song on their 'Very Best of' album (2005). I'm not sure if it's the same mix as on their self-titled debut. In the video the song number appears behind artist name and a google image should match the album covers as given.

The other artists (+wiki) are Leftfield (Open Up), Underworld (Cowgirl) and Emperor. It uses the closing track of their In The Nightside Eclipse album (one of the definitive black metal albums) and also an orchestral reworking of said track from the 'Loss and Curse...' EP.

Actually, the Underworld song was played for Alazais' first appearance in Damige's vids, when I successfully hotdropped his gang way back in Lock N Load 5(?), so a bit of symmetry there. I picked it up when watching some old but still very cool vids.

(Fleet battle sound of third fight is actually recorded from the battle btw, but re-jigged and re-synched for timings of course. I so rarely play with sound that it shocked me how busy the cacaphony is during a big spectacle).

j2ee
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2009.01.04 14:44:00 - [86]
 

Free bump for nice movie Very Happy

Blitz0r
Minmatar
M. Corp
M. PIRE
Posted - 2009.01.05 00:09:00 - [87]
 

Best video ever!!

Now ill put in the 40 days i need for triage!!

Ps. Loved the end scene Ds.

Sleyha
VersaTech Interstellar Ltd.
Posted - 2009.01.05 03:47:00 - [88]
 

good video

Koronos
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2009.01.06 17:58:00 - [89]
 

very very nice video, and once again Princess Aricia puts it over the top with the narration.

Koronos

Sard Caid
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2009.01.06 21:16:00 - [90]
 

This video represents all of Foundati0n I dislike and really what makes their fleets what they are in fights: their cap support.

I'm with the Bears in that I hate what carriers bring to my form of PvP, however this video portrayed something else. This is the tactics game shown in brilliant illumination, which is rarely done with capital ships.

Great music, awesome narration, and excellent editing. Together, especially with with the A+ narration, this is a top video of '08. A must see, especially for those that dislike capitals in PvP, as this puts an entirely different light on their use on the battlefield for those that aren't familiar with them.

Encore Lord Maldoror, encore!


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