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Linthelessa
Posted - 2008.12.15 21:01:00 - [1]
 

A survey scanner should be a miner's best friend, but it is not. It is really not handy to scroll down through the roids to see which one is better / how much ore is left in the roid u are actually mining.

Only complaining about something does never help. So here is my alternative solutions:

1) Putting an ore integrity UI to targets view, available only if a survey scanner module is activated. Even if it updates only if the module is activated would do the trick. We just need 1 more row below the range meter to show the targeted roid's ore quantity.

2) Add one more column to overview, called "survey" or something. Only updated when survey module is activated. Shows quantities and distances to ores, integrated in the overview window.

We already have an overview window. Why we must complicate our lives with a second survey window? As it is now its useless imo.

Dracthera
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.12.15 22:28:00 - [2]
 

Are you playing on a really, really low resolution monitor by any chance? On my 1024x768 setup I have plenty of screen space to see the scanner results. The roids are also grouped by type, so you can close down all but the type you're mining at the moment, which greatly limits the number of roids displayed. I don't find it all that difficult to see the amount of ore in the roids I'm currently mining.

Having said that, I'd be OK with another row under the targeted roid to display the amount of ore left while the scanner is active. It's only a display issue, so I don't imaging it would give anyone any undue advantages, and the information is already available from the scanner.

Trevize Daneeel
Posted - 2008.12.16 00:24:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Dracthera
I don't find it all that difficult to see the amount of ore in the roids I'm currently mining.

I think that survey scanner window takes too much space in screen. Roid names & distances are written already in overview, scrolling through them is not easy and when updated, u have to click around to see which roid is actually mined.Confused Let's say that there r 5 scordites @ 13km, there is no other way than clicking them all to find out which one u are mining. Its not really that practical imo. I wonder how many ppl out there really uses it in practical sense.
I agree its a simple display issue and I think that roid quantity information integration with locked target view would be greately appreciated by miners. Mining is one of the most poplular jobs in Eve. And when was the last time that miners received a gift? It's chrismas jeez...

Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2008.12.16 01:14:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Trevize Daneeel
And when was the last time that miners received a gift? It's chrismas jeez...
Orca Smile

Dracthera
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.12.16 02:35:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Trevize Daneeel
Let's say that there r 5 scordites @ 13km, there is no other way than clicking them all to find out which one u are mining. Its not really that practical imo. I wonder how many ppl out there really uses it in practical sense.


I suppose at this point it's worth asking what ship you're using to mine roids. IMO scanners are really only worth it for mining ships using strips, and not for haulers or combat ships using regular miners. In your scenario, you can easily see a large chunk of the roid quantity going down when you re-run your scanner if you're using a mining ship, so you can tell pretty quickly which roids you're mining.

Chrome DPS
Posted - 2008.12.16 05:15:00 - [6]
 

I use my survey scanners and they do help me in mining.

Taris Gedar
Caldari
Supply Management
Posted - 2008.12.16 05:28:00 - [7]
 

Acutally the scanner is just fine imo ..i sort them by quantity and mine each group from the top to the end.
The only useful addition would be a marker in the scanner on which roids i have a lock on - right now i have to do a right click on them for that.
Every know and then i rescan the roids and see if they are about to pop or not...i like it Smile

DonutIV
Posted - 2008.12.16 05:30:00 - [8]
 

i find the survey scanners pretty helpful. i keep a bookmark in a field a like and warp in and scan. it helps me pick the right ores with the right amounts. also lets me plan ahead for the next rock if that one isnt large enough. the range is just fine as well, i havent seen any mine gear that reaches beyond 15 or 16k. overall i like em.

Katana Seiko
Gallente
Posted - 2008.12.16 05:33:00 - [9]
 

You can actually group your survey scanner window with your overview...

Caldari 5
Amarr
The Element Syndicate
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.16 06:06:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Originally by: Trevize Daneeel
And when was the last time that miners received a gift? It's chrismas jeez...
Orca Smile


That was a gift to the haulers :P not the miners :P Heck I find the missioners using the orca more in my corp, that extra range on the tractor beam rocks for cleaning up a L4 mission, 1 orca pilot, 1 destroyer pilot, orca does the tractoring and looting, and the destroyer does the salvaging.

Caldari 5
Amarr
The Element Syndicate
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.16 06:09:00 - [11]
 

Forgot to comment on the actual thread, I must admit that I haven't used a Survey scanner since the first 3 weeks of Eve, they were utterly useless, have they changed much in the last year?

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.12.16 06:45:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Chrome DPS
I use my survey scanners and they do help me in mining.


ditto. i use it to plan my cycles. i know exactly how much, say, omber will fill my hold, and target the correct roids that it can fill itself with the one set. saves me having to keep fiddling between the roids. its bloody useful. and adding the roid quantities to overview would be frustrating, since the roids would obscure the rats.

Mac Maniac
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.16 08:16:00 - [13]
 

Bloody useful tool especially in 0.0; Knowing how much is in a asteroid is essential information. It determines whether or not you are going to re-visit that asteroid or whether you are going to move to a different one.
Do you really want to waste an entire mining cycle on a asteroid that has no appreciable mins in it? Some Corps/Alliances I have met have a "do not pop the rock" policy. How can you tell how much is in it without a scanner?
If all you mine is low ends, then I can see how you would not care how much is in a Veld asteroid. In which case why bother a mid slot with a scanner, but if you are mining high ends then, YES!! a scanner is a very useful tool indeed.
AND if you click on the particular asteroid in your scanner view, you target it.

Reven Cordelle
Caldari
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.12.16 09:12:00 - [14]
 

Use my Survey Scanner all the time as I honestly CBA to sift through the overview to find out which ores are available.

Also, it helps me plan the cycles of strip miners, get the most out of my T2 Crystals.

If anything they could do with nudging the range of them up, or having an option to do a Sweep Survey (say, 60km) once every 5 minutes to get a good idea of whats in a bigger radius.

Cheopis
Amarr
One Stop Mining Shop
One Stop Research
Posted - 2008.12.17 12:20:00 - [15]
 

While I agree that asteroid scanners are rather poorly implemented - they are much better than they used to be when I first started playing.

If you mine a different roid type with each laser, you can easily tell which roids are disappearing, and time your last cycle to avoid wasting time mining 3 ore with a full cycle.

If mining solo, I mine the lowest content roids within range of the scanner first, so it becomes easier to see which ones are decreasing in content.


Of course the "reach around your elbow to scratch your ankle" approach to mining scanners that was chosen by CCP makes no sense at all. With all the fancy electronics available to EVE pilots, you would think that they would be able to, oh, mark which asteroid each mining laser is actually excavating, or simply add an optional column to existing data on the overview.


All in all, yes, I use scanners when I do mine (rare these days) but I am all in favor of a complete revamp into something more sane.

Ebon Rue
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.12.17 14:42:00 - [16]
 

I don't mine without a scanner :-D

But I do think that incorporating the scanner results into the display UI instead of needing to use the window is a great idea. Eve has enough windows as it is... <_< Make the list in a window an option, as sometimes that's handy, but being able to know how much is left in the rocks I'm checking out without needing to compare overview distances with survey window distances just makes good sense.

Also, once this change is made, maybe scanners could auto repeat? :-P I can live without that, just would really like incorporating scan results into the existing UI instead of needing that window.

Linthelessa
Posted - 2008.12.17 23:36:00 - [17]
 

Well, I see that most of the ppl is quite satisfied with how survey scanners works. That's surprising for me and quite in contradiction to what I'we thought. Neutral
I'we come to this conclusion:
As in the evolution of species: ppl adapt to UI (which is their environement) in order to survive.
I think the one who should evolve is the UI, because actually, we are EVE's real environement. The UI should adapt to us.

I'm aware that most of the UI in EVE already needs improvement. Still, I think that mining needs a bit more love and survey scanner UI has priority on that. As, until we get new mining mechanics, we are bound to use survey scanners. And I stand on my opinion that survey scanner data should be integrated to overview and/or below the targeted roid's rangemeter while scanner window should become optional. I think this changes will evolve UI a bit.


 

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