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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2008.12.15 13:40:00 - [1]
 

id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.

Seriously, more independents should come out here, dont believe the hype 0.0 isnt as bad as they say.

LooknSee
Posted - 2008.12.15 13:43:00 - [2]
 

We feel whatever fun there is to be had there is more than outweighed by the sources of "not fun"(tm). Why else wouldn't we be there?

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.12.15 13:54:00 - [3]
 

i love 0.0 Very Happy i want to never go back apart from traveling through to more 0.0 Laughing

Dihania
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.12.15 13:55:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: LooknSee
We feel whatever fun there is to be had there is more than outweighed by the sources of "not fun"(tm). Why else wouldn't we be there?


Well most of high sec dwellers do not know how 0.0 is because they have never been there and are probably intoxicated by what other people say.

Some high sec dwellers have been in 0.0, were either not into anything related to pvp, could not watch local and did not understand that instant isk is not always better or too newby to cope with the corp/alliance ops nad/or rules (or something in between) = more or less week souce.

Some high sec dwellers have been to 0.0 and know what it is about but prefer high sec because it is more relaxed, do not like politics, are alts, etc.


Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:00:00 - [5]
 

There's no space like Deep Space ...

MuffinsRevenger
Kenny Starfighter Appreciation Club
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:03:00 - [6]
 

Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p

Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:04:00 - [7]
 

I'm going to offer my sagacious wisdom to you.

They think treadmills are more fun than stair steppers. Think about that for a while and you'll understand.

KISOGOKU
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:08:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: KISOGOKU on 15/12/2008 14:11:55
Added some others .Been there done that thank you Aaron
Originally by: Dihania

Some high sec dwellers have been to 0.0 and know what it is about but prefer high sec because do not like politics, backstabbing and childish drama etc.



ingenting
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:10:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: ingenting on 15/12/2008 14:12:03
4 Months and loving it!

edit: hard part is getting in/out from empire (gatecamps). and the hype is true, unless u gets invaded (enjoy the fun, NC)

Elrca
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:14:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p


Got to agree, PvP in 0.0 (infact anywhere in eve) seems to be Gatecamp or Station camp ...both involved sitting about and waiting...waiting to finally get a target and hope you can lock and shot it fast enough before it goes pop! There was some good times in the old days of 200 vs 200 ... and ofcourse bubble tastic in ec- (it was ec-... I think, you know the 0.0 point thats 100% camped..ah those good olde ASCN days....)

But now I'm happly playing casually in Empire.....

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:18:00 - [11]
 

As for living it's nice. Hauling stuff does suck from time to time. Specially when you loose stuff, but in general it's much more interesting.

Aaron
Eternal Frontier
Enemy-Fleet
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:21:00 - [12]
 

Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.

Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.

Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.

Elrca
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:23:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Elrca on 15/12/2008 14:23:20
Originally by: Aaron
Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.

Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.

Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.


/me reads as "Come here I want to pew pew at you" Twisted Evil

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:27:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Janu Hull on 15/12/2008 14:28:42
For my personal take on 0.0, I'll divide it into two parts. NPC space, which is Outer Ring, Venal, Curse, Stain, and the like. The other part is sovreign space. Player controlled territory.

In NPC space:

Most station systems are camped up the wazoo by some alliance or another, either coming up or freshly kicked out of sovreign space. The real challenge is learning to live without station access, or learning the local scene well enough to slip in and out during the resident's off peak hours. The best solution having a force strong enough to earn their respect and some blue standings, but this requires you to be willing to butt heads without getting personal about it, and can be pretty expensive in terms of lost ships.

In Sovreign space:

Unless you're in the Providence Region, God help you. You can't drop a POS without the local landlords knowing about it. You can't access stations without standings. And the first time you encounter one of the locals, they'll have you ID'd in an intel channel, and the moment you get anywhere near their core space, they'll have a gatecamp waiting for you.

Breaking into sovreign 0.0 space requires contacts. Very few alliances survive in sov space without at least a few blues. You need to be diplomatic, and you REALLY better have something to offer in return for standings. Its almost easier to join an established alliance than to be a start up. I won't sit here and say its impossible for new guys to break into the scene, but the new alliances that do make a stand successfully tend to be littered with veterans of previous sovreign alliances that know the game.


Personally, I have loved being a part of 0.0 alliances, both small and struggling, and large and well established, more than I ever enjoyed empire. The experience is like nothing you will have in any other MMO out there. Once you learn to live without the safety net, understand that its your name on the screen in the sovreignty map, you understand why it is EVE players learn to look down on other MMOs.

LooknSee
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:31:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: LooknSee on 15/12/2008 14:32:16
Originally by: Aaron
Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.

Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.

Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.


http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=2879842

Rolling Eyes


edit: I fail at linking

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:34:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Janu Hull on 15/12/2008 14:33:56
Originally by: LooknSee
Edited by: LooknSee on 15/12/2008 14:32:16
Originally by: Aaron
Ok heres the deal, i live in a system that is reasonably quite, yes ive had lots of losses but ive also made lots of isk, Ive put more than 2 billion isk worth of ships/modules on the market in my system but now i need pilots to live here and consume. there are still a few offices here and very good rats.

Its quite simple really, come down have a look and we can help eachother make isk. you dont have to join my corp, come down and be part of the economy.

Maybe we could form an unofficial alliance, sounds like good fun to me.


Linkage

Rolling Eyes


edit: I fail at linking

Dantes Revenge
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:37:00 - [17]
 

Been to 0.0 and hated the fact that there are times when you can't just do what you want because too many reds nearby. I get very little time to play don't always want PVP so I feel like mining for a change but 0.0 doesn't always let you do what you want when you want.

I like highsec with occasionaly forays into lowsec for some pew pew. At least now when I log in, I can choose what I want to do instead of being dictated to by circumstance.

Elrca
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.15 14:46:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Dantes Revenge
Been to 0.0 and hated the fact that there are times when you can't just do what you want because too many reds nearby. I get very little time to play don't always want PVP so I feel like mining for a change but 0.0 doesn't always let you do what you want when you want.

I like highsec with occasionaly forays into lowsec for some pew pew. At least now when I log in, I can choose what I want to do instead of being dictated to by circumstance.



QFT

Ticondrius
United Federation Starfleet
Saints Amongst Sinners
Posted - 2008.12.15 15:08:00 - [19]
 

I love 0.0 life. Quit playing EVE at one point because I was living in Empire and got bored to death.

Hostiles in the area? No problem! Get into Alliance channel and form up a fleet to hunt them down. Pewpew!!

Ratting? Know the offtimes when your local hostiles are sleeping and have fun.

Complexes? Take more friends than you need, and if you get jumped, pwn those flashy reds.

Missions? Umm...in some regions. Expect to get your sec status and empire faction standings nuked though for shooting Concord missions rats.

Mining..uh..lolwut? Unless you can't fly something powerful enough to rat in (HAC/BC/BS), you won't be mining unless it's a corp op. That said, I do go mine for very specific minerals and quantities when I need them for personal construction goals, but that's usually just zydrine or megacyte. And I can mine enough of that to make a tier 3 battleship in just a few minutes.

Let's see, what else...

POSes! More industrial minded people like to deploy and manage POSes with their reaction chains. Other industry activities is manufacturing for the local area and selling stuff at a premium, just remember, if you're only 5-8 jumps from empire space, you won't sell that fast. If you're really far from empire, you can sell things with a very good premium.

Research. Some Outpost types have labs, and POSes can have mobile labs added to them. I research & copy my BPOs for almost nothing out here in 0.0.


It's all about where you go and what powerbloc you join, and despite all the anti-BoB comments and BoB sploiter stuff, I like living out here, and the PvP campaigns we get into ensure I'm never bored. Very Happy

Janu Hull
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.12.15 15:16:00 - [20]
 

To be honest, most of the bigger alliances have core areas that are more secure than most high sec hubs. With POSes, you can set yourself up in more isolated areas that rarely get red visits. For the larger alliances, jump bridge and cyno generator networks make gate use pretty optional, unless you're actually going to pick a fight.

Mining solo is certainly possible. Alts for tanking, or you can put some sickening fits on a Hulk and tank fairly easily. One member of my corp has a billion ISK Hulk that laughs at battleship rats.

The ISK out here is ridiculous, if you're willing to do due dilligence and prepare yourself properly.

Gstomp20
Out of Order
Posted - 2008.12.15 15:44:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Janu Hull
To be honest, most of the bigger alliances have core areas that are more secure than most high sec hubs. With POSes, you can set yourself up in more isolated areas that rarely get red visits. For the larger alliances, jump bridge and cyno generator networks make gate use pretty optional, unless you're actually going to pick a fight.

Mining solo is certainly possible. Alts for tanking, or you can put some sickening fits on a Hulk and tank fairly easily. One member of my corp has a billion ISK Hulk that laughs at battleship rats.

The ISK out here is ridiculous, if you're willing to do due dilligence and prepare yourself properly.


0/ Janu

He gives a good idea of what life is like in 0.0, but of course keep in mind all regions are different and you will encounter a different presence and attitude from one to the next. If you are a small Corp or Alliance even, you may find it hard to do some of the basic things without getting hassled: Mining is obvious, but also Complex running, hauling, buying things (as the market is more sparse) and generally getting around. There are gate camps, station camps, etc. but if you stay somewhere long enough you get to know it quite well and who comes and goes nearby. Then you can start to anticipate where people are traveling, who to watch otu for and who you can engage in a fight without a blob coming right behind them (Hi BoB). Still, i much prefer 0.0 to empire without things like mindless babble from idiots in local (for the most part, anyway) the ability to engage anyone at any time, better complexes, better minerals, moon mining, seeding the market, on and on. To each his own, but i for one will never fully go back to Empire.

Salliene
Gallente
Paktu Sjet Armada
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.15 21:13:00 - [22]
 

Life in 0.0 was fun, but not "all that". A lot of it depends on how well under control the alliance you are in has their section of 0.0.

When I first ventured into 0.0, SMASH had a pretty good handle on Geminate, and I could get to and from the area with little trouble, could rat, mine, produce in peace and join roaming PVP ops at will. Toward the end however getting in and out of Geminate was a roll of the dice if you weren't in a blob, and no matter where you were there was always a good chance of a TRI Nano gang showing up. Things got tense and the drama became unbearable. Holding onto a large region of 0.0 space requires a lot of effort, and I couldn't commit to spending 3 or 4 nights a week in 5 or 6 hour ops that may or may not result in a fight.

So yeah, if you are in a strong alliance with not many enemies, then life in 0.0 can be lucrative and fun, but if not then it is more trouble that it is worth for casual players.

I think that if you are looking for a good balance of the risky life but still have a little bit of security, then you should just make low sec your home. Less political drama, fewer gate camps, more local color, and high sec is always only a jump or two away if things get too stressful.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.15 21:23:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Batolemaeus on 15/12/2008 21:26:36
Edited by: Batolemaeus on 15/12/2008 21:24:45
Living out of cans and a few pos in a remote constellation in some deep 0.0 space was the best experience i ever had.
Just me, my few ships, and my corpmates. Sometimes a carrierjump to bring some supplies into the constellation..

But other than that, one entire constellation, shared with people i like a lot. Sometimes some pewpew against roaming targets, losing a ship here and there. But overall, a quiet place with enough action to keep me entertained.

0.0 is all i need, and all i ever want from eve. It's like a little village, you all know each other, greet the reds in local, or kick out anyone you don't like. I can't stand empire..way too crowded, way too many idiots.
Do you know that feeling you get when you stand in a crowded mall and just want to do a roundhousekick and stab everyone because they're annoying the hell out of you? Way too many people around? 0.0 is a quiet park with a heavy metal concert now and then, and people sometimes running around in double arsemode.

Trotula
Caldari
Sierra Malakoff Diggins
Posted - 2008.12.15 23:01:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Aaron
id like to find out what the average empire pilot thinks about 0.0.

Seriously, more independents should come out here, dont believe the hype 0.0 isnt as bad as they say.


My thoughts.

The majority of Eve players are in Empire.

The majority of Eve players are male.

The major reason a male would be afraid of something is if it were to harm/damage his genitals.

Thus, the reason the majority of Eve players don't go down to 0.0 is because living in 0.0 makes your genitals small.

So the true question in regards to living in 0.0 is this: For those that enjoy living down in 0.0, did they already have small genitals to begin with or did they not care that their genitals shrank once they moved down to 0.0?

Constance Harme
Posted - 2008.12.15 23:22:00 - [25]
 

I enjoyed living out in 0.0 but having to constantly gear up and move around for alliance stuff made the whole thing tedious, I never really had a chance to do anything I wanted (like mining/ratting) although if I could find somewhere nice enough I would probably go back.

Minmatar Citizen 290574
Posted - 2008.12.16 02:14:00 - [26]
 

you havent truely played eve till u have lived in 0.o... all the factions of the game come together there

Vikarion
Caldari
State Trade Consortium
Posted - 2008.12.16 02:28:00 - [27]
 

Well, I made the move out to 0.0 a while ago...

...and then I moved right back to Empire about 3 months later.

Why?

Here's why:

Ratting? Sure, it's awesome. Except...looting is a pain if you aren't in a Domi or marauder. And very few areas have really good rats. Still, it'd be worth it, except that you get to usually share a system with two or three others, and spawns inevitably get wiped out. Oh, and don't forget the red roaming gangs who come through about once every 2 hours, and the solo-roamers. Hope you have a safespot and a cloak, and thirthy minutes of patience while your blues get together to chase them off.

Complexes. Yippee. All I need to do is spend roughly 6 hours trying to find a complex someone else hasn't already found, and I might get a DED complex or faction spawn. But usually not.

Trading. Also known as "how to get accused of market-**** by your blues".

Hauling. Sure, just train carrier or jump freighter and you're golden. Oh, and a cyno alt, because blues think it's funny to warp you into reds who weren't there five minutes ago, or can't be bothered.

PvP. Get gang. Undock. Find other gang. If them > us, run. Else fight. If no enemy gang, camp gate.

And the players...well, it seems to me that there are two kinds of 0.0 players: really childish jerks, and really nice guys. And the jerks tend try to make everyone's lives miserable, whether or not it is necessary.

Anyway, that was roughly my impressions. I can make much more ISK trading in Empire in complete safety, while using war-decs and low-sec piracy to fulfill my PvP needs.

AkRoYeR
Amarr
Posted - 2008.12.16 04:21:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p


This! What would EvE be like without gate camping?

MC Purge
Posted - 2008.12.16 04:38:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: AkRoYeR
Originally by: MuffinsRevenger
Allways did enjoy it, but gatecamps get old so fast that i prefere to stay in empire :p


This! What would EvE be like without gate camping?


devoid of 90% of combat.

Bohoba
Caldari
Burning Technologies
Atlas.
Posted - 2008.12.16 04:43:00 - [30]
 

BLOBS almost 5 years in 0.0 left do to BLOB warfare small gangs get BLOBed out
and I am cald sp CCP nerfed Cald so bad that I am mininig and missioning in empier till it gets fixed





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