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CAINU
Posted - 2008.12.13 06:26:00 - [1]
 

I new to PVP and am looking at doing some, I have good gun skills and good drone skills and can fit t2 blasters, my question is which ship is best 4 solo pvp against other battlecrusies such as the amarr and gallent ships. What set up should I fit nos/neuts or blasters and what are there strenghs and most importantly there weakness. pls remember i can not use rails so these set ups are no good to me at the moment.

6Bagheera9
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2008.12.13 07:09:00 - [2]
 

Brutix = Gank (and cheap too!)
Myrmidon = Tank + EWAR/Logistics

Either one will solo adequately, but a gank Brutix won't last too long under gate guns and a Myrmidon may have trouble breaking certain tanks.

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2008.12.13 07:40:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Diomidis on 13/12/2008 07:44:38
The Brutix is more straightforward than the Myrmidon: IMHO is nothing more than an all-out dmg boat for someone that doesn't want to risk / cannot afford / is not skilled high enough for a Blaster BS, yet capable enough to provide BS class dps when allowed to approach really close. That's pretty much it...

The Myrmidon on the other side, can be quite a support ship in a gang, and relatively more viable in solo PvP...just do not overestimate yourself: let your opponents underestimate you. The slot layout and bonuses allow you to use multiple forms of ewar, like Neuts, Tracking Disruptors etc, along with a way more powerful tank compared to the Brutix.

Tho it's anti BS/BC capabilities are dent due to various "fixes" (I think it was really overpowered with NOS + 5x Heavies, thus I don't call it nerfed), the Myrm is good at butchering cruisers and frigates. And frigates are really the FOTM for roaming pvpers these days, thinking that their scram will MWD disrupt to death everything...when the only viable defense against these ships is Neuts + small drones, what's best than a ship with neuts + bonused small drones, along with some hi-tracking turrets that also tanks good?

The Myrm can kill most things that could out-track a Harbinger's lasers, or signature/speed tank a Drake's HAMs, while providing a viable perma-tank against a limited number of AFs etc, unlike the above BCs that are usually buffer tanked and eventually could be bleed to death.


Kain De'Stroi
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.12.13 08:00:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Brutix = Gank (and cheap too!)
Myrmidon = Tank + EWAR/Logistics

Either one will solo adequately, but a gank Brutix won't last too long under gate guns and a Myrmidon may have trouble breaking certain tanks.


for piracy a tanked brutix is to be prefered over the myrm since gate guns will pop your drones.

Victoria Davion
Posted - 2008.12.13 11:48:00 - [5]
 

I find the Brutix far more fun to fly, but it was a complete ***** to fit without AWU 3/4. The Myrm is much more forgiving and far more versatile...

Enden Assulu
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.12.13 12:13:00 - [6]
 

So what would a good brutix fitting be?

Sarciss
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.13 13:12:00 - [7]
 

[Brutix, PvP Buffer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
ECCM - Ladar II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Infiltrator II x1

I really liked that set up, some kind of mini Megathron. Change the MFS for EANM if you feel like it, and you might want to change the ladar to a cap booster if you forsee neuts being used to render your blasters useless..

LadyLubU2
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.13 13:14:00 - [8]
 

Best QR brutix fit:

7x HP II (scorch)
1x 10mn MWD
1x Med Injector
1x 24km Disruptor
1x Web II/Eccm II/w/e
3x Damage Mods
1x Dcu
1x w/e

Cyrus Reavstone
R.E.C.O.N.
Minor Threat.
Posted - 2008.12.13 13:37:00 - [9]
 

[Brutix, Shield Tank]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer I

Hammerhead II x5

---------------------------------------------------

[Myrmidon, Shield Tank]
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Warp Scrambler II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I
Core Defence Field Extender I

Ogre II x2
Hobgoblin II x1
Hammerhead II x2


Both ships put out 650+ DPS depending on skills and implants. The Myrm tanks about 20% more dps, but it costs considerably more isk as well. Also, these are both gang setups.

6Bagheera9
Foundation
Sons of Tangra
Posted - 2008.12.13 15:01:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Kain De'Stroi
Originally by: 6Bagheera9
Brutix = Gank (and cheap too!)
Myrmidon = Tank + EWAR/Logistics

Either one will solo adequately, but a gank Brutix won't last too long under gate guns and a Myrmidon may have trouble breaking certain tanks.


for piracy a tanked brutix is to be prefered over the myrm since gate guns will pop your drones.


Good point, don't fly either much and hadn't thought of that.

Ambrosious Martin
Anarchist Movment
Posted - 2008.12.13 16:27:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sarciss
[Brutix, PvP Buffer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
ECCM - Ladar II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Infiltrator II x1

I really liked that set up, some kind of mini Megathron. Change the MFS for EANM if you feel like it, and you might want to change the ladar to a cap booster if you forsee neuts being used to render your blasters useless..



I hate to be the one to point it out, especially coming from a sniggwaffe! But Lader ECCM is a minmatar ECCM... Gallante use Magnetometric.

CAINU
Posted - 2008.12.14 16:36:00 - [12]
 

whats the best ammo to use

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2008.12.14 18:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: CAINU
whats the best ammo to use
Caldari navy antimatter, you might also want to take along null but you probably wont use that stuff much.

Hatsumi Kobayashi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.14 19:17:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Hatsumi Kobayashi on 14/12/2008 19:24:23
edit:
note to self - read all replies before attempting to be a smartass

Soros
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.14 19:21:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hatsumi Kobayashi
Originally by: Sarciss
[Brutix, PvP Buffer]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Disruptor II
ECCM - Ladar II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Valkyrie II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Infiltrator II x1

I really liked that set up, some kind of mini Megathron. Change the MFS for EANM if you feel like it, and you might want to change the ladar to a cap booster if you forsee neuts being used to render your blasters useless..



...what? RazzShocked
(nitpick brigade)



HAH

to be fair i've flown into battle many a time and thought **** .. i've got two backups on why am I jammed by a kestrel :(

The Vixen
Stone Rosary
Posted - 2008.12.14 19:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Diomidis
Edited by: Diomidis on 13/12/2008 07:44:38
The Brutix is more straightforward than the Myrmidon: IMHO is nothing more than an all-out dmg boat for someone that doesn't want to risk / cannot afford / is not skilled high enough for a Blaster BS, yet capable enough to provide BS class dps when allowed to approach really close. That's pretty much it...

The Myrmidon on the other side, can be quite a support ship in a gang, and relatively more viable in solo PvP...just do not overestimate yourself: let your opponents underestimate you. The slot layout and bonuses allow you to use multiple forms of ewar, like Neuts, Tracking Disruptors etc, along with a way more powerful tank compared to the Brutix.

Tho it's anti BS/BC capabilities are dent due to various "fixes" (I think it was really overpowered with NOS + 5x Heavies, thus I don't call it nerfed), the Myrm is good at butchering cruisers and frigates. And frigates are really the FOTM for roaming pvpers these days, thinking that their scram will MWD disrupt to death everything...when the only viable defense against these ships is Neuts + small drones, what's best than a ship with neuts + bonused small drones, along with some hi-tracking turrets that also tanks good?

The Myrm can kill most things that could out-track a Harbinger's lasers, or signature/speed tank a Drake's HAMs, while providing a viable perma-tank against a limited number of AFs etc, unlike the above BCs that are usually buffer tanked and eventually could be bleed to death.



Thanks. I found this helpful. Although, why must people use acronyms suchas FOTM? I had to google that. You saved yourself a second, but caused me many. ugh

CAINU
Posted - 2008.12.19 17:56:00 - [17]
 

Does anyone know of any cheap rigs that can be fitted

Prometheus Exenthal
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2008.12.19 18:05:00 - [18]
 

If you can afford it and have good skills, Myrm is the better choice every time.

Vanthropy
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.12.19 18:16:00 - [19]
 

myrm is one of the best bc's

but a brutix isn't half bad, utilize it's bonuses like this

1 med rep, dc II, three hardeners

cap booster, mwd, scram, web

biggest guns possible.

2 cheap hybrid damage rigs

Willem Revolati
Gunpoint Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.12.20 03:39:00 - [20]
 

I find the Brutix can fit very comfortably in the small gang scenario. IMO it's best flown as a pure dps boat and because of this it's gonna sacrifice a great deal of tank and will need the support, and in this respect I believe the Mrym will have the advantage of being able to last longer when solo or under heavy fire, but will have less dps.

the Brutix is also one of the funnest ships to fly! Just get your target, hit the MWD, and charge into a 1000km orbit with all guns blazing like a mad cow carrying 7 sub machine guns! And hope you don't die! Laughing


 

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