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Aricaan
Gallente
Cobra Corp
Posted - 2008.12.12 11:31:00 - [1]
 

So I was doing a mining op with some corp mates and the belt we where in was orbiting this planet that looked a lot like Amarr Prime(Like a sandy color, and you can see the lights of the cities on the dark side of the planet). Anyway in the op it was my job to haul, and every time I went and passed that planet I started to wonder what it must have been like for the people on it.

Which leads me to my question, and I know it could depend on atmosphere conditions, what kind of ship you are flying and weather but...

Do you think people on the planets can see your ships warp by?

I was flying a Bestower, and I kind of liked thinking a big streak was going by every few minutes. When I brought this up to my corp mates one thought it was possible that in warp we might be going to fast for the human eye to see.

It should be noted that I was flying in between the sun and the planet and that no one saw anything cause no one ever stares at the sun. I also thought it would be interesting if there was a protagonist that didn't want to warp close to planets cause if was spotted he could be found easily. (I'm so paranoid ;op)

What do you guys think?

Kimochi Rendar
Veto.
Posted - 2008.12.12 12:29:00 - [2]
 

I don't think it'd be possible to see ships warping around in space from a planet, at least not with the naked eye. The ships would be too small to see from that kind of distance, and espceially moving at the speeds you are talking about.

However, I imagine that really big ships like the Leviathan titan hovering over Caldari Prime, or big fleets of ships would probably be visible from the surface, especially if they where close. The battles above Caldari Prime and during the Minmatar invasion would have been quite spectacular I think!

Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2008.12.12 12:45:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
I don't think it'd be possible to see ships warping around in space from a planet, at least not with the naked eye. The ships would be too small to see from that kind of distance, and espceially moving at the speeds you are talking about.

However, I imagine that really big ships like the Leviathan titan hovering over Caldari Prime, or big fleets of ships would probably be visible from the surface, especially if they where close. The battles above Caldari Prime and during the Minmatar invasion would have been quite spectacular I think!


I agree. Having been able to see them would be like seeing something a bit bigger then the ISS here on Earth. But it would be coolLaughing

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.12 12:53:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 12/12/2008 12:56:17
You could get Čerenkov radiation, I suppose. The charged particles of the ship's exhaust would violently decelerate back down to C as it left the warp field, bleeding off their excess velocity in a flare of blue light, ultraviolet radiation and X-rays.

The light from that process would actually be quite brilliant, making it much easier to see than the ship itself. Any ship passing within fifty housand KM or so at warp might appear as a faint blue line across the night sky for a moment, but it'd probably be fainter than the light pollution from the cities. You'd certainly never see warping ships during the day.

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.12 14:06:00 - [5]
 

Considering the ISS is only a bit longer than a 747, which is the average length or height of a large frigate in Eve, I think given the right atmospheric conditions anything cruiser sized or larger could be quite readily seen by the naked eye. However as Stitcher said, that makes assumptions on the amount of light pollution.

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.12 16:35:00 - [6]
 

A Station in a planets orbit could easily being seen from the ground, maybe even Capital Ships. Also a jump effect would likely be as bright as a star.


Aricaan
Gallente
Cobra Corp
Posted - 2008.12.12 22:22:00 - [7]
 

In defence of my post, I have gone camping out the woods and have been able to see satelites orbit. Infact I rememeber as a kid that one of the space shuttles was flying low enough you could see with a naked eye at dusk cause the sun was shinning off of it.

Aricaan Scout
Posted - 2008.12.12 22:25:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kimochi Rendar

However, I imagine that really big ships like the Leviathan titan hovering over Caldari Prime, or big fleets of ships would probably be visible from the surface, especially if they where close. The battles above Caldari Prime and during the Minmatar invasion would have been quite spectacular I think!


That could actually be very horrifying as there could potentially be a billion stray bullets going everywhere, and guess which body in space has the most gravity!?

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.13 01:38:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Kimochi Rendar
However, I imagine that really big ships like the Leviathan titan hovering over Caldari Prime, or big fleets of ships would probably be visible from the surface, especially if they where close. The battles above Caldari Prime and during the Minmatar invasion would have been quite spectacular I think!


From the ground, even that titan would cover maybe a few square millimeters of sky at most.

The thing to remember about seeing things in space is that mostly you don't see the object itself - just the light reflecting off it. some objects with a high reflective index (Albedo) can be more visible than their much larger neighbours by dint of having a higher albedo.

The reason Venus is so visible in the night sky is because its atmosphere gives it an incredibly high albedo. Same goes for Jupiter, the ISS and comets.

Consider this - an airliner at 30,000 feet is visible with the naked eye, but it's actually vanishingly small - you can easily cover it with a paperclip or pin. The moon, despite being a full 1/6th the size of the Earth, can be obscured by your little fingernail at arm's length. The single largest visible object in the sky - the constellation Hydra - can be hidden behind your outstretched palm.

The point here is, things get very, very small indeed as they get further away from you. at 10,000 Km, I reckon the only things you'd stand a hope in hell of seeing unaided would be supercapitals, and even then they'd be little more than faint grey smudges in the in the night sky, maybe with a swarm of little lights around them.

Amarr ships would be the most visible (those shiny, round golden hulls would have a very high albedo), followed by caldari ones (mostly grey, plenty of running lights), Gallente (dull grey/green ceramic composites don't reflect much light...) then Minmatar. Missile explosions - especially torpedos - would be very visible.

All of this would still be happening at luminosities massively smaller than the backscatter of city lights off the planet's upper atmosphere, though. You'd need to be waaaay out in the sticks, so that the whole horizon in any direction is utterly clear of light pollution before you'd have a reasonable chance of seeing these ships.

I still say that a warping ship would appear as a fleeting blue line across the sky, though. near busy spacelanes, the sigh of all those ships warping past would be a lot like watching a meteor shower.

Morgan Brykein
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.12.13 23:59:00 - [10]
 

If the ship warps closer than the moon, then they could possibly see it as something like a shooting star.


 

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