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moppinator
Caldari
AMT.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:13:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:14:18
Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:13:55
In order to clarify the involvement of Ev0ke in the recently uncovered pos mechanics exploit we herby release our official statement to set the record straight.

As you might have already heard from various sources we had several accounts banned for reasons of EULA violation.
Some of the individuals in question have confessed to us that they in fact did engage in such and that those bans are a direct result from it.
We were just as surprised to learn about the utterly flawed game mechanics as you propably have been and downright enraged that members of our own alliance took advantage of it.

It is important for us to point out that the vast majority of our membership was unaware of the existance of such an exploit, let alone that someone from our midst would utilize it.
Further on it is important to note that not all members who had their accounts banned were directly involved, at least they didn't consciously support it.

CCP's investigation of that matter is still ongoing and we believe that time will tell who can be considered innocent and who not.

Still we want to apologize to the whole EvE Online Community for our failure at discovering the actions of that group of former members ourselves.
They have fooled and disappointed us even more than they did you.

regards

Morris Falter
Caldari
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:14:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Morris Falter on 12/12/2008 09:44:09
Apparently unrelated, so removed. I blame jake.


Sacul
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:14:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Sacul on 12/12/2008 01:15:29
Nice one to fess up mate. Could u tell us if the individuals did it for their own or did Tom McCash also lose his Titan?

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:14:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Athena Attom on 12/12/2008 01:16:45
**** morris first was mine!


edit confirm who else was banned mr evokian!

Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:16:00 - [5]
 

props

Nick Curso
Caldari
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:16:00 - [6]
 

First page on the ultimate drama bomb

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:19:00 - [7]
 

Good to see people who can take it on the chin.

Afale II
Caldari
Space Pony Farm
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:19:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 01:21:42
Edited by: Afale II on 12/12/2008 01:19:32
8 th

god damnit

wasn't that bad

now give waffles for everyone!

Jack Sparroxx
Gallente
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:22:00 - [9]
 

Tom McCash have been online to night.. so I doubt he is banned yet.. but time will tell how far this extends

Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:22:00 - [10]
 

Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected.

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:25:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Moonlight Express
Just like others in alliances that were exposed of cheating, Ev0ke will forever be labeled as cheaters regardless if majority of your membership did not know about it. It might not be fair, but that's how it is in EVE. Apology rejected.


Disagree.

Some like labels, others have a brain.

Astasia Orian
Minmatar
Black Eclipse Corp
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:25:00 - [12]
 

lol how did we spank G so badly in fountain when they had infinite money? :(

Aceoil
Caldari
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:25:00 - [13]
 

A few bad apples dont ruin a whole tree of good apples.

mmmm,

Got any apple pie?

Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Eternal Ascension
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:26:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 12/12/2008 01:26:57
To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Surely someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005.

Ackaroth
Gallente
Plundering Penguins
Anarchy.
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:26:00 - [15]
 

Just like the rest of CAOD, I agree that moonlight is a tool.

Draconian Arcane
Minmatar
Bastards Of New Eden
Damned Nation
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:26:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: moppinator
Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:14:18
Edited by: moppinator on 12/12/2008 01:13:55
In order to clarify the involvement of Ev0ke in the recently uncovered pos mechanics exploit we herby release our official statement to set the record straight.

As you might have already heard from various sources we had several accounts banned for reasons of EULA violation.
Some of the individuals in question have confessed to us that they in fact did engage in such and that those bans are a direct result from it.
We were just as surprised to learn about the utterly flawed game mechanics as you propably have been and downright enraged that members of our own alliance took advantage of it.

It is important for us to point out that the vast majority of our membership was unaware of the existance of such an exploit, let alone that someone from our midst would utilize it.
Further on it is important to note that not all members who had their accounts banned were directly involved, at least they didn't consciously support it.

CCP's investigation of that matter is still ongoing and we believe that time will tell who can be considered innocent and who not.

Still we want to apologize to the whole EvE Online Community for our failure at discovering the actions of that group of former members ourselves.
They have fooled and disappointed us even more than they did you.

regards


Thank you for the apology and I wish your alliance luck in recovering from such a situation as this. Hopefully those others that were involved come clean.

Ackaroth
Gallente
Plundering Penguins
Anarchy.
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:28:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Norwood Franskly
To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Sure someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005.


Pos mining isnt a taxable thing. If these players were just "nice guys" and would throw a few spare ships at their corpmates every now and again, no one would be the wiser. I know plenty of players who have way too much fuggin isk, and actually get it legitimately. Everyone knows people like that I'm sure.

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Norwood Franskly
To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Sure someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005.

That goes on the assumption that the generated isk from sales went to benefit the alliance directly. That's for CCP to determine at this point; if it isn't the case, then how the directors could be any the wiser for it, I don't know.

thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:28:00 - [19]
 

Given how your allies have acted in the past over such things, i'll be interested in how this turns out..

props for trying to take it on the chin anyway.. it was known already.. but well.. mueh

Bobby Atlas
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:29:00 - [20]
 

class act, well said.

Monkey Saturday
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
The Spire Collective
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:32:00 - [21]
 

wtb ferrogel good price convo ingame

Carebear Eyes
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:32:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Carebear Eyes on 12/12/2008 01:32:56
What do the military experts say?

real edit: Happy Christmas!

Popperr
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:33:00 - [23]
 

all i read was dyspro dyspro dyspro dyspro dyspro dyspro

Norwood Franskly
Minmatar
Fleet of the Damned
Eternal Ascension
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:34:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ackaroth
Originally by: Norwood Franskly
To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Sure someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005.


Pos mining isnt a taxable thing. If these players were just "nice guys" and would throw a few spare ships at their corpmates every now and again, no one would be the wiser. I know plenty of players who have way too much fuggin isk, and actually get it legitimately. Everyone knows people like that I'm sure.


Makes sense then, unfortunate that people were able to abuse this for as long as they did.

harry beanbag
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:39:00 - [25]
 

An alliance as a whole cannot be held responsible for the unknown actions of a few of its members. There are many fine pilots in Evoke and i dont believe these actions should taint the name of your alliance.


Slade Trillgon
Minmatar
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:46:00 - [26]
 

Yes, thank you for the apology. I was already in the thought that this was how it happened. Take that as you all may.


Slade

Dal Thrax
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Norwood Franskly
Edited by: Norwood Franskly on 12/12/2008 01:26:57
To play devil's advocates here, how could you Alliance directors etc not notice or be suspicious of the amount of isk that was coming in from the exploit? Surely someone must have noticed something didn't add up. Especially if it had been going on since 2005.


TBH I can see it. Invention caused the price of high end reactions to increase by 10x if not 100x (I seem to remember Dyspo at 3000/unit at one point). Back in the T2 BPO days most component sales where handled off the market by agreement between the BPO holder and the manufacturer of the minerals.

The real problem is it sounds like we might have lost 1/2 or more of the ferrogel supply. T2 prices may double over the next couple of weeks.



Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:53:00 - [28]
 

Just thinking, but isn't ferrogel used primarily in the manufacture of reactors... which is primarily used in ships? So perhaps we're just looking at price increases for T2 ships, and not so much for T2 mods?

I'm not a producer, so my info on this isn't exactly ironclad.

JuGGeR
Caldari
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:54:00 - [29]
 

nice to have some 1 inform others on what went on there , gl with getting the alliance back on its feet ..

ccp plz leek more info...

Haakelen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.12.12 01:59:00 - [30]
 

Good on you for admitting it, but it won't do much good. Lots of one-track minds here.

But if they managed to do this under the radar, I wonder how many corpthieves you have... Razz


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