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Jix Star
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:09:00 - [241]
 

Perhaps the patch was delayed as CCP had to upgrade the hardware that runs the forums due to the incomming Threadnought.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:09:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Ion Bartzabel
Some math..

4 years is 35040 hours of production of a pos.
if ferrogel price was 30.000 isk / pu, and you would get 400 units per hour.
35040h x 400u = 14.016.000 units x 30.000



And there your math fails you.

Ferrogel was actually worthless most of the time because the fuel costs of the poses to run the reactors were more expensive than the revenues from selling ferrogel and all the other stuff.

No one wanted it because no one used it. Only 1/10 of t2 items were built most of the time during these 4 years. A few t2 bpo holders had the stuff, perfectly researched bpo's as well. And there was compared to now almost no demand for t2 because it was so expensive.

Your 400 bil profit for 4 years for every large pos is completely out of scale. It might be 60 bil prt pod for the last year and 0 bil for the last 3 years (because no one needed that stuff). Still a big number and quite unfair, but not nearly close to 400 bil you mentioned.


Furthermore ... everyone benefit from the cheap stuff. Except of course those big alliances who had all the control over the dys moons - they did suffer because they couldn't sell their products for the price they could have gotten.

All others, especially those who use and buy t2 items greatly profited from the cheap and abundant supply of these materials.

LoneRider
Minmatar
Com-Star
SOLARIS - SYNDICATE
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:09:00 - [243]
 

Oh great, lets make a database rollback to 4 years ago... I was already there, who else? ^^

Ban each and every account which has made direct profit with this. In case it was alliance-wide: immediately freeze all corresponding alliance wallets, assets and stuff. Destroy the alliance itself and all corps within. Fire the ccp guys who worked on the petition. Let's blast this universe back to stone age again and start it all over again!

D'ceet
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:10:00 - [244]
 

this is the perfect time for CCP to re-enable ghost training...it will take the focus off this...Confused

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:12:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: Jix Star
Perhaps the patch was delayed as CCP had to upgrade the hardware that runs the forums due to the incomming Threadnought.


incomming threadnaught


the threadnaught cynod in , in seige , gun linked dealing heavy heavy DPS, although it is pointed so it not going anywhere

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:13:00 - [246]
 

I have always wondered who was intervening in the Dysprosium market. I could always see it artificially being propped up. No matter what hit that market it always stayed artificially high. Which brings me to a VERY disturbing conclusion.

Wars may have been fought over dysprosium, not in order to sell it, but to keep it off the market so that it wouldn't crash the reaction prices. Otherwise, there is no need for this material, they can spawn all they want, why bother controlling it at all! This is seriously sick. It also means that anyone who is sitting on a dysprosium moon may be sitting on a material artificial price supports, and people were meta gamed, tracked down and harassed, some times in RL over this in order to keep the price unnaturally high. Whole alliances were crushed because of this. There is no way to know if there is a glut of materials, or a small supply, because its all a fallacy, a fabrication in order to channel profits to certain people.

CCP needs to deal ruthlessly, swiftly and severely with these people. I think now is a good time for a "rogue drone invasion" to wipe out some areas of 0.0 space.

Solostrom
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:13:00 - [247]
 

Originally by: LoneRider
Oh great, lets make a database rollback to 4 years ago... I was already there, who else? ^^

Ban each and every account which has made direct profit with this. In case it was alliance-wide: immediately freeze all corresponding alliance wallets, assets and stuff. Destroy the alliance itself and all corps within. Fire the ccp guys who worked on the petition. Let's blast this universe back to stone age again and start it all over again!



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This

Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:17:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Re Mi
I have always wondered who was intervening in the Dysprosium market. I could always see it artificially being propped up. No matter what hit that market it always stayed artificially high. Which brings me to a VERY disturbing conclusion.

Wars may have been fought over dysprosium, not in order to sell it, but to keep it off the market so that it wouldn't crash the reaction prices.


First somewhat sensible post since a few pages ago.

Bodhisattvas
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:18:00 - [249]
 

CCP just need to fix the exploit and if certain peeps have been found to be using the exploit then lock down the pos's
in question then it be fun if CCP hired a random bunch of players on a daily basis with dreads damage etc to take out the pos's
and keep the proceeds.

CCP just magics the the avenging fleet into the system(s) in question and clears the system of the offending corp/alliance or
nosey bystanders whilst punishment is administered. Could be a concord busmans holiday type affair with normal players deputised to administer concords business.

Bans not needed, its up to CCP to keep on top of these kinds of exploits.
Perhaps the t2 market will revive to what it once was instead of dirt cheap and so plentiful that piracy becomes
more viable in terms of loot collection from ebil bears. Very Happy

Maitsu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:18:00 - [250]
 

Ban everyone who's used it, they've probably bought timecards with all the isk and haven't paid a dime to play anyways.

Spathi
Diabolus Ex Machina
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:19:00 - [251]
 

Edited by: Spathi on 11/12/2008 01:22:03
Aww, that troll post was removed.

CCP Mitnal


C C P
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:20:00 - [252]
 

Cleaned.

Removed off-topic, troll posts, flames and those posts that quoted posts that were subsequently removed.

Please post respectfully towards one another.

Madius
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:20:00 - [253]
 

Edited by: Madius on 11/12/2008 01:21:08
Originally by: Bodhisattvas

Bans not needed, its up to CCP to keep on top of these kinds of exploits.


And it's up to the players to maintain a modicum of integrity.

Ban every single goddamn mother****er who's even glanced sideways at one of these exploiting POSes.

Helfix
Caldari
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:22:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Breaky Uzumaki
Originally by: Helfix
Does it not make more sense that the people running around like chickens without their heads pointing fingers are the ones who have been using this exploit?

lol @ Goons

-Helfix



Hey am just stating the obvious, who are the ones here by the dozens pointing fingers and etc? BoB or Goons?

I don't really care for either of your sides, but if CCP ever did release the information am sure there are BoB members in there amongst Goons and many other major alliances....

It's nice to point fingers and all but if information comes out that your alliance is also one of the ones who used the exploit it will hurt you so many more times :).


-Helfix

Mes Devour
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:22:00 - [255]
 

What a crazy exploit! I fully expect to be informed by CCP of the parties involved. Those parties should recieve harsh penalties. Anything less would be a complete dis-service to the eve community.

Maitsu
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:23:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Madius
Originally by: Bodhisattvas

Bans not needed, its up to CCP to keep on top of these kinds of exploits.


And it's up to the players to maintain a modicum of integrity.

Ban every single goddamn mother****er who's even glanced sideways at one of these exploiting POSes.


As I said, most of the people exploiting this probably haven't even paid their monthly dues since. If they abused this to get ahead of everyone else who's been playing fairly, they shouldn't be allowed to keep their account. I can see going easy on small exploits, but this generated an absurdly unfair advantage over people not doing this.

Eve Noir
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:23:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Madius
Edited by: Madius on 11/12/2008 01:21:08
Originally by: Bodhisattvas

Bans not needed, its up to CCP to keep on top of these kinds of exploits.


And it's up to the players to maintain a modicum of integrity.

Ban every single goddamn mother****er who's even glanced sideways at one of these exploiting POSes.


I can dig it

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:24:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Re Mi
I have always wondered who was intervening in the Dysprosium market. I could always see it artificially being propped up. No matter what hit that market it always stayed artificially high. Which brings me to a VERY disturbing conclusion.

Wars may have been fought over dysprosium, not in order to sell it, but to keep it off the market so that it wouldn't crash the reaction prices.



First somewhat sensible post since a few pages ago.


LOL

So you produce 50 or 100 times the amount the moons will produce, literally flood the market with stuff and then buy off those people who flood the market in the same way you do? To finance wars to keep 1% more materials comming from a few moons off the market?

Yeah...very reasonable indeed... Rolling Eyes

But the more I think about it, the more I wonder why no one from the economic department noticed the huge amount of materials comming out of nowhere.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:24:00 - [259]
 

Edited by: Chaos Incarnate on 11/12/2008 01:24:54
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
Unfortunately for you, I'm not really joking. Seriously, how many POS's were BoB running in this fashion? What about the confirmed 20 in J-L that were setup EXACTLY as described in the scrapheap thread?


I'm not sure how in-depth we can discuss it, but it looks like a pretty standard hands-free reaction setup to me. Unless you possess x-ray vision, I doubt you can determine who was haxploiting and who wasn't

GateScout
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:24:00 - [260]
 

Edited by: GateScout on 11/12/2008 01:24:44
Ah...now we know why the latest patch wasn't applied: BoB had to off line all those gallente towers in high sec.

Very Happy

Spathi
Diabolus Ex Machina
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:25:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: GateScout
Edited by: GateScout on 11/12/2008 01:24:44
Ah...now we know why the latest patch wasn't applied: BoB had to off line all those gallente towers in high sec.

Very Happy


Failed troll, cant react in highsec. 0/10.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:25:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Kayosoni
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Anahid Brutus
Hey remember the years worth of ferrogel found in corp hangars of stations BOB lost in period basis during the Tortuga fiasco?

Not such a great mystery anymore Laughing


Care to explain how you got to look the content of another corporation hangar in a STATION? Or are you simply making up things to stir up trouble?


lol is this post serious?


Originally by: Xthril Ranger
station owner can look into corporation hangars.


As I have never been a station owner, I didn't knew this. So my question was serious.

GateScout
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:27:00 - [263]
 

Edited by: GateScout on 11/12/2008 01:28:13
Originally by: Spathi

Failed troll, non-BoB cant react in highsec. 0/10.
[/quote
Fixed?

Hoiw about this?

Ah...now we know why the latest patch wasn't applied: BoB had to off line all those gallente towers in j-l.

Better?

Very Happy

Spathi
Diabolus Ex Machina
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:28:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: GateScout
Originally by: Spathi

Failed troll, cant react in highsec. 0/10.



Ah...now we know why the latest patch wasn't applied: BoB had to off line all those gallente towers in j-l.

Better?

Very Happy


Still failed troll, CCP already said they removed them. The J-L pos are still there (go check :P) -1/10

GateScout
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:30:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Spathi
Still failed troll, CCP already said they removed them.

Except BoB's, of course. CCP give you enough time to change them over?

Some things never change.

Bodhisattvas
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:31:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Madius
Edited by: Madius on 11/12/2008 01:21:08
Originally by: Bodhisattvas

Bans not needed, its up to CCP to keep on top of these kinds of exploits.


And it's up to the players to maintain a modicum of integrity.

Ban every single goddamn mother****er who's even glanced sideways at one of these exploiting POSes.


CCP let it happen by allowing it to happen.... they control the code and game mechanics.
How many times do you hear morons uttering adapt or die whenever CCP messes with game mechanics.
As far as I can see it was merely people adapting and using what they learned to get on in the game.

This aint real life Mmmmkay ! Wash some chill pills down with a long cool drink of Quafe Laughing


Spathi
Diabolus Ex Machina
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:33:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: GateScout
Originally by: Spathi
Still failed troll, CCP already said they removed them.

Except BoB's, of course. CCP give you enough time to change them over?

Some things never change.


I have shares in all the tinfoil production corporations, please, continue. Very Happy

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:33:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 11/12/2008 01:35:04
Hmm this could be a database glitch that selectively affected Ferrogel of course...

Maybe someone could check other markets ?
SHC mentions that it looks the same in the Forge.

Screenie in the Domain a few minutes ago:

Ferrogel Market in Domain


chrisss0r
The Lowbirds
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:33:00 - [269]
 

now it's much clearer why people would fit stuff like estamels modified ballistic control system on a crow or stuff like that :P

Ima Alt
Posted - 2008.12.11 01:35:00 - [270]
 

Did CCP really think that we wouldn't notice them jacking around with the market price history?


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