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Van Krakien
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:03:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Van Krakien on 10/12/2008 23:18:41
quick, get a 700 billion isk bailout for the t2 carebears!

but this explains alchemy(cheap moon mins used as rare moons mins basically) its not a feature its a fix to this bug, so I wouldn't expect a fix to this.

insidion
Caldari
Octavian Vanguard
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:05:00 - [122]
 

Well, appreciate the update Wrangler, and I look forward to a full explanation of what has happened and what the results were, but I have to admit that I am dismayed to say the very least.

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:08:00 - [123]
 

Its me I'm the exploiter

RedSplat
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:08:00 - [124]
 

5th page in a threadnought

Afale II
Space Pony Farm
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:09:00 - [125]
 

i demand a witchhunt!



burn it, drown it!

Darkeen
Gallente
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:09:00 - [126]
 

Yeah, while we are at it, ban all members of BOB... and Goonfleet alliances...

Free up a HEAP of zero sec and low sec space for use by new(er) characters!

Decimus Octavius
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:10:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Decimus Octavius on 10/12/2008 23:40:37
Edited by: Decimus Octavius on 10/12/2008 23:39:35
from eve-online.de comes this
Quote:
Hello Every one

I would like to tell you a short eve story
Today all of my EvE Online accounts were banned
I was sure that this day would come.
What surprises me is that it took CCP this long to catch up with me.
Even though they knew about it.

But now to the story:

The time is November 2004.
The EvE Universe is excited about the Starbase patch.
The new System Sov. is introduced.
The face of Eve has changed.
How right they are.

Two weeks after Patch day we built our first POS.
We wanted a piece of the moon mining pie and also wanted to figure out how it word as none of us knew exactly.
After our first try we were aggravated that we could get it working and decided to try again the next day to finish our project.
The next day to our amazment we found that the silos in our unfinished POS chain were full. After a short time we found out the reason for this phenomenon.
The POS system was BUGGED.
Of course a petition was sent to CCP to make them aware of this situation and the answer was sobering.

“Your petition has been received” CLOSE

But the phenomenon was still there.
After a week we decided what to do.
We built a POS network that included over a dozen POS’s in lowsec and checked the market prices. After a short look we decided on Ferrogel and Fermionic Condensates.

The Story today.

The expanse of this so far is probably lost on most people so I would like to make a few facts clear.
In the past 4 jears we are talking about ISK in value of 2.500.000.000.000 ISK to 3.000.000.000.000 ISK.
That’s 2500 – 3000 billion.
Everyone that owns a T2 item can bet that it was build in part from resources due to this phenomenon.
At this point I would like to thank CCP for making it possible to buy GTC’s with ISK.
So much about us.

What the other 3 large alliances did with this knowledge is unknown to me.
But I can tell you that we’ve sat with coverts in front of POS chains and watched it happen.

Titans are expensive !

In closing.

Some I’m sure will say “well are you proud of yourself?” or “You cheater-exploiter”
I only have one thing to say to that.
.
This issue allowed me to play Eve how and when I liked.
It didn’t matter what item or what happened in Eve. I spent ISK with out thinking about the price.
I haven’t paid a cent for any of my Eve accounts for 4 years now.
And have had many amusing moments reading posts in EVE-O.

I don’t know you and to be honest Eve and most of you I could care less about.
But my thanks go out to you all, you were wonderful statistics on this virtual stage.

Regards,

The Writer


I dont know but id like to hear from ccp internal investigations regarding any previous petitions in regards to this bug (if any) and why if such petitions did exist were they closed without the bug being fixed.

ardik
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:12:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: ardik on 10/12/2008 23:12:00
This certainly explains why bob has built over 24 outposts the last year Laughing

Aralis
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:14:00 - [129]
 

When are you ever going to learn to deal with us honestly CCP?

These problems fester because your response is ALWAYS to pretend it didn't happen. People aren't even allowed to say on these forums when they find exploits, let alone get them fixed.

Deal with things honestly and everything would go a whole lot better. You have a horrible record here surely you must have learnt something from all these disasters? Tell us the scale of the problem, what happened, how many people got banned, how much money has been taken out of circulation etc. (No not names that's going too far.)

And punish the guilty! Far too often those exploiting get away with it. Mostly it seems the worst thing that can happen to a cheat is he's not allowed to cheat any more. Stomp the cheaters flat! This isn't something anyone could be doing, repeatedly, by accident.

Loa Vaporator
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:14:00 - [130]
 

theres no impact on T2 market, obviously ... and nope, prices for advanced materials in Jita have not hick-uped like they never did before! LOL

I'm now only wondering how CCP will flatten things out ... by spawning 50 or more of dyspro moons?

Thankfully, this only a game where you can MAKE things happen, not like in real life where things tend to HAPPEN Shocked

BullRadu
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:15:00 - [131]
 

nobody reported this exploit till now. if anyone says he did or he knows someone that did... it's just lies to (maybe) get the banned players something as a reason for all this. it's really good that people are getting banned over this.

Afale II
Space Pony Farm
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:18:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Loa Vaporator
theres no impact on T2 market, obviously ... and nope, prices for advanced materials in Jita have not hick-uped like they never did before! LOL

I'm now only wondering how CCP will flatten things out ... by spawning 50 or more of dyspro moons?

Thankfully, this only a game where you can MAKE things happen, not like in real life where things tend to HAPPEN Shocked



well personaly I couln't care less for the t2 prices.

But it has more to do with trust to the developers and with the petition service.

See I though t20 was big, but this is like 200 times bigger and it goes now for 4? year.

Come on I think we will se much more of stuff like this.

Herschel Yamamoto
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:18:00 - [133]
 

Always fun to see rampant prejudice and ignorant fearmongering. Yes, I want to get to the bottom of this ASAP, and yes, it's one hell of a black eye for CCP if this is half as bad as it looks. But at this point, there's no organization on the planet that could have a full answer as to what happened, how, why, who was involved, and what the consequences are. Give CCP a few days to find things out before we start building a gallows with our outrage. Let them do their jobs, and *then* crucify them if they deserve it. Don't put the sentencing before the trial.

VaderDSL
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:19:00 - [134]
 

Could this be an extremely clever ploy? Use this bug, which may not be the ferrogel bug (if it exists) and start mass panic and mass buying?

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:20:00 - [135]
 

a cyno is up Shocked the threadnaught is here

Plexin
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:22:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Plexin on 10/12/2008 23:23:24
Originally by: BullRadu
nobody reported this exploit till now. if anyone says he did or he knows someone that did... it's just lies to (maybe) get the banned players something as a reason for all this.


You obviously don't read.

Afale II
Space Pony Farm
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:23:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: VaderDSL
Could this be an extremely clever ploy? Use this bug, which may not be the ferrogel bug (if it exists) and start mass panic and mass buying?


was my first though too, but damn thats a little bit like the t20 stuff some years back

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:24:00 - [138]
 

Military experts are calling this a ****up of gigantic proportions.

Seibicoe
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:24:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Armoured C
a cyno is up Shocked the threadnaught is here


I haz stront.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:26:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Gnulpie on 10/12/2008 23:29:44
Originally by: Loa Vaporator
I'm now only wondering how CCP will flatten things out ... by spawning 50 or more of dyspro moons?


Ever heard of alchemy?

No?

You do not need any of those rarity64 materials any more. They all can be replaced by rarity16 materials like platinum which is really abundant and accessable by tons of people.

So ... no, they do not need to spawn any moons.

A Sinner
Muppet Factory
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:27:00 - [141]
 

Someone said we should thank CCP for fixing this.
If what that guy said on SHC is true the damage is done, there is no fixing cause the scale is huge. Imagine funding an alliance with that sort of isk coming from "illegal" methods and imagine the enemies of that alliance funding their ships and pos's from their own wallets with hard earned isk. The ships, the pos's, the stress and the hours and sleepless nights were all in vain, like spitting when the wind is blowing towards you. Imagine customers paying money that they worked hard for in real life, selling GTC's to this people for isk, so imoral. How can this ever be fixed by CCP? The most CCP can do is provide us with the information on who these people are and what corporations and alliances profited from them. So we'll know who to point the finger at and say : Shame on you !!!

Amjax
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:28:00 - [142]
 

Would love to see a response on this from CCP.

Come on guys, the longer the wolves wait at the door the bloodier it's gonna get.

Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:28:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: BullRadu
nobody reported this exploit till now. if anyone says he did or he knows someone that did... it's just lies to (maybe) get the banned players something as a reason for all this. it's really good that people are getting banned over this.


It has been reported, several times to my own knowledge over the past few years. But those were confusing times, IA did not exist yet.

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:30:00 - [144]
 

Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 10/12/2008 23:37:35
This calls for an utter and complete
disclosure of the facts and the evaluated impact the
exploit had on the game economy.

If groups inside the leadership of alliances
have conspired to use this exploit,
not only their personal assets need to be frozen and eventually seized,
but the executors and member corporations assets have to be held accountable
in an appropriate and sensible way
for any unfair advantage gained knowingly or unknowingly from this exploit.

Personally at the moment
I feel virtually slapped into my face,
yet am trying to apply proper disbelief and skepticism
until further information has been released.

I applaud CCPs reaction,
yet urge them to engage in active crisis management now,
before the rumour mill becomes uncontrollable.

Sigvald Gottschalk
5 Guys With Internet
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:34:00 - [145]
 

As a burgeoning industrialist I've had trouble. If this is as big as its being made out to be, I think I've found out why my margins were so low.

Jix Star
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:35:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Talsha Talamar
before the rumour mill becomes uncontrollable.


Not sure if it can be stopped now tbh. Need an official response ASAP.

Madius
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:36:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
I see very few people thanking CCP for fixing this.

You're right, how thoughtless.

Thank you, CCP for your stellar QA team and programmers, without who this fix would never be possible.









Or needed.

Fitz Chivalry
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:38:00 - [148]
 

Name and shame!!!!!!

Not that I care, I am just really really nosy :)

Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:44:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Talsha Talamar
This calls for an utter and complete
disclosure of the facts and the evaluated economical impact this
exploit had on the game economy.

If groups inside the leadership of alliances
have conspired to use this exploit,
not only their personal assets need to be frozen and eventually seized,
but the executors and member corporations assets have to be held accountable
in an appropriate and sensible way for any unfair advantage gained knowingly or unknowingly from this exploit.

I applaud CCPs reaction,
yet urge them to enage in active crisis management now,
before the rumour mill becomes uncontrollable.



The impact will be neglegible tbh. The majority of the folks who entertained this crap over the years are the type who didn't give a crap about anyone but themselves.
Organisations over the years had to provide for themselves, or learn to, or die, so that bit is going to be rather neglegible as well.

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
Posted - 2008.12.10 23:47:00 - [150]
 

a few weeks go I received a message from a character who sold me around 450.000 ferrogel. He declared that he could supply me with more ferrogel easily by batches of 1.000.000 units and that he still had more than 18 batches for sale...

unfortunatly I recently deleted his message, I just remember he was around one year old and that he had always been in an npc corp (alt)

this just to say that I'm not surprised that an exploit was used : 18.500.000 ferrogel is the production from 64 POS in one month or from 1 POS in 64 months, anyway a really big amount


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