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Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:22:00 - [661]
 

Originally by: Seishi Maru
My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.

I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.

And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.

CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.


tbh ccp should get have icelandic diplomats contact the embassies of the countries these cheaters came from, and seek extradition

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:23:00 - [662]
 

Originally by: Mr John22ta
Edited by: Mr John22ta on 11/12/2008 14:02:26

Originally by: Sma Balveda
Quote:
On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy,


Nice historical allusion there....


Yeah, nice to see they have a sense of humour about this ugh


Hmm, is this exploit really comparible to pearl harbour? Laughing


Pearl harbour??

He was referring to the assasination of Marcus Tullius Cicero on the 7th Dec 43 BC!!

Plague Black
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:24:00 - [663]
 

Someone should start investigating major alliances that lost members lately and find out which alliances got corps closed on this day. I'm too lazy for that right now.Razz

Elrca
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:24:00 - [664]
 

o/ Hi mom I'm in a Drama bomb!

Bullet Dingle
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:25:00 - [665]
 

Originally by: Straight Chillen
I heard about this once quite a while ago. And i wrote if off to the drunken ramblings of a southern man. God damn i coullda been richConfused



And bannedLaughing

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:27:00 - [666]
 

Originally by: Kaar
I love all these Goodfellas and Atlas guys demanding that entire (enemy) alliances be punished.

You guys are terrible Laughing


Answering to your provocation. I really do not think the ones to be punished would be the ones you THINK I would want to be punished (considering NC titans number didnt increased at all in last 1 year I am really not thinking on them). If anyone at OUR side is related I hope so that our side get the same hammering. I post this as a player and a HONEST person, two concepts that prevail much over the concept of allegiance to any in game alliance.

Patripassion
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:27:00 - [667]
 

Originally by: Koggull
But then again Xthril Ranger, it doesn't have to be MM.. - It's just like the t20 incident..

BoB, as an alliance had no idea what t20 was doing. RKK had no ideas as well. T20 was acting on his own but the whole alliance got smudged as cheaters. - The same thing will happen to MM (That is if it's true that the exploiters are related to MM.)

MM are good people, no doupt about that. Fine pvpers and awesome players. - How ever, it only takes one guy to **** everything up (ie. t20)


If the people at the top didn't know about this, I'd eat several hats.

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:28:00 - [668]
 

Originally by: Vio Geraci
Originally by: Seishi Maru
My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.

I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.

And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.

CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.


tbh ccp should get have icelandic diplomats contact the embassies of the countries these cheaters came from, and seek extradition


You can sue someone even them being in other country. They damaged the operation of CCP main income product therefore caused monetary damage to CCP. There is base to legal actions if CCP can proof it.

Haywoode Jablome
Wormhole supervisory and Investigation team
Blanket Men
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:29:00 - [669]
 

Originally by: Patripassion

If the people at the top didn't know about this, I'd eat several hats.


But only to be proven if one was near such a pos...

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:30:00 - [670]
 

Quote:
On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors
... WOT?

Wasn't this bought to the attention of CCP FOUR YEARSago? (albeit incorrectly)

Why the outrage and emoting in a game that is a sandbox (anything is permissible)and that the devs can 'balance' at the whim of their opinion.

Is this any more/less important than a pirate char creating a market by blowing up craft then directing the victim to buy his ships? That is perfectly legit - why not this?

It is the basis of human nature to look for ways to exploit their environment - that's the driving force behind inventors and entrepreneurs.

This is also a case of CCP double standards ..... Merry Xmas

Haywoode Jablome
Wormhole supervisory and Investigation team
Blanket Men
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:31:00 - [671]
 

Originally by: Seishi Maru

You can sue someone even them being in other country. They damaged the operation of CCP main income product therefore caused monetary damage to CCP. There is base to legal actions if CCP can proof it.


Well the logs show nothing... or they show everything once tampered with

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:32:00 - [672]
 

Originally by: Vio Geraci
Originally by: Seishi Maru
My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.

I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.

And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.

CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.


tbh ccp should get have icelandic diplomats contact the embassies of the countries these cheaters came from, and seek extradition


First Goon ever to make me smile with a forum post. Congratulations on your exquisite deployment of sarcasm there ... Cool

Miss Anthropy
Perkone
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:32:00 - [673]
 

I just re-subbed after being AFK for 9 months. I miss all the good drama. Seems like a good time to be a miner though.

Hex Keng
Minmatar
Final Agony
B A N E
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:33:00 - [674]
 

Originally by: Seishi Maru
My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.

I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.

And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.

CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.


Well, I guess they would have to ban whole EvE, because almost everybody at least 'directly' enjoyed cheap T2 mods ;) So maybe think about that before you open your mouth so wide.

I think the whole discussion is hypocritical, because CCP didnt react to reports of that 4 years ago in the first place, so its mainly their fault. And as I pointed out, almost everybody had their share from that, whether big or small, whether he knew it or not.

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:33:00 - [675]
 

Originally by: Haywoode Jablome
Originally by: Seishi Maru

You can sue someone even them being in other country. They damaged the operation of CCP main income product therefore caused monetary damage to CCP. There is base to legal actions if CCP can proof it.


Well the logs show nothing... or they show everything once tampered with


Yeap , that is why I said, IF ccp can proof it. Because indeed is not something easy to proof.

Vio Geraci
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:33:00 - [676]
 

Originally by: Klandi
Quote:
On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors
... WOT?

Wasn't this bought to the attention of CCP FOUR YEARSago? (albeit incorrectly)

Why the outrage and emoting in a game that is a sandbox (anything is permissible)and that the devs can 'balance' at the whim of their opinion.

Is this any more/less important than a pirate char creating a market by blowing up craft then directing the victim to buy his ships? That is perfectly legit - why not this?

It is the basis of human nature to look for ways to exploit their environment - that's the driving force behind inventors and entrepreneurs.

This is also a case of CCP double standards ..... Merry Xmas


item duplication is not innovation, it's cheating

Karla Kay
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:37:00 - [677]
 

It is my understanding that the corps was alt corporations run by alts. So the actions of CCP are usless in effect. The alliances will just walk away without a scratch.

Gambuk
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:38:00 - [678]
 

Why the pearl Harbor reference?

I dont think an exploit in a game even comes close to being able to use that. Regardless of how serious it is..

Leakim jones
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:39:00 - [679]
 

Originally by: Karla Kay
It is my understanding that the corps was alt corporations run by alts. So the actions of CCP are usless in effect. The alliances will just walk away without a scratch.


Except that CCP have already said there are 2 alliances involved.

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:39:00 - [680]
 

I was referring to cause not the symptom - and how cheating is conceptually regarded

Tholarim
Amarr
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:39:00 - [681]
 

Originally by: ardik
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=945053

thread that got locked by the devs, but basically, bob is primarily the ones that have been exploiting this bug


Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.


Napro
Caldari
Simplistic Syndicate
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:39:00 - [682]
 

Because BoB is eve

Tanyasha
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:41:00 - [683]
 

They will not walk away with out a scratch because they have probably in a majority of cases just lost there support network which allowed them to uber blob or field caps and once you lose that element then you suddenly become very concerned as too using them to the same degree. I would like to know Alliance names and Corporations though but if it is still under further investigation I would not be surprised if a couple of the long term big players may suddenly disappear from the EVE Universe.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:41:00 - [684]
 

Originally by: Gambuk
Why the pearl Harbor reference?

I dont think an exploit in a game even comes close to being able to use that. Regardless of how serious it is..


Didn't you read my previous post?

He referred to the assiasination of Cicero on the 7th Dec 43 BC!

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:43:00 - [685]
 

Originally by: Hex Keng


Well, I guess they would have to ban whole EvE, because almost everybody at least 'directly' enjoyed cheap T2 mods ;) So maybe think about that before you open your mouth so wide.

I think the whole discussion is hypocritical, because CCP didnt react to reports of that 4 years ago in the first place, so its mainly their fault. And as I pointed out, almost everybody had their share from that, whether big or small, whether he knew it or not.


This is just spinning..

You and everybody understand very well what we talking about when we say everyone involved directly. trying to spin that is just ludicrous or a pathetica attempt of push this stuff under the carpet.

Anyone if a 4 year old brain capability knows very well what means direclty involved. All legal systems in the world had to define this same line of limit on who is directly involved and who is not, and surprise has not been any difficulty at all for any of them.

Will give you a hint. ANY character that placed on market ferrogel comming from these POS, ANY character that received proportionally large amounts of isk from those characters. And do not even start with the "he sent me 12 isk so I must be banned?". If you want to bring up childish spinning go somewhere else. This is a serious issue. Everyone can understand very well what means directly involved and the concept of "large ammounts of isk", and no one means people that bought a T2 sensor booster.

Its very easy to start with a check on each titan for example, and see if any of the isk involved came in a large chunk from any exploiter corp. CCP already proved to be capable of such tracking with a previously removed titan.

Also I should say ANYONE trying to downgrade this issue and spin it as some useless witch hunt should be investigated as well.

GateScout
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:43:00 - [686]
 

Edited by: GateScout on 11/12/2008 14:43:42
Quote:
We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances.


Translation: We found 7 alt corporations. Three of with were stupid enough to be in an alliance.

NAMES!

WE WANT NAMES! Evil or Very Mad

CCP you had better be open about this with the community. It's time to name the offenders and punish those that benefited.



Richard Third
Gallente
Wrath of Fenris
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:44:00 - [687]
 

I hve to applaud CCP for taking action on this. However they do seem a bit defensive. hehe. Nevertheless I wanna say thanks to CCP for catching the people abusing the glitch.

Karla Kay
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:45:00 - [688]
 

Originally by: Leakim jones
Originally by: Karla Kay
It is my understanding that the corps was alt corporations run by alts. So the actions of CCP are usless in effect. The alliances will just walk away without a scratch.


Except that CCP have already said there are 2 alliances involved.


But no action will be taken against the Alliances involved.

rgreat
Gallente
OEG
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:45:00 - [689]
 

Originally by: GateScout
Quote:
We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances.


Translation: We found 7 alt corporations. Three of with were stupid enough to be in an alliance.

NAMES!

WE WANT NAMES! Evil or Very Mad

CCP you had better be open about this with the community. It's time to name the offenders and punish those that benefited.

This.

Elrca
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:46:00 - [690]
 

I want cookies!


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