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Pain Redefined
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:51:00 - [631]
 

Please provide:
-Player names
-Corp names
-Alliance names

Thank you

Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:51:00 - [632]
 

ok you did your stupid investigation
now give us the names of corps/alliances involved


Sma Balveda
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:56:00 - [633]
 

Quote:
On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy,


Nice historical allusion there....

Reatu Krentor
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:56:00 - [634]
 

Originally by: Pain Redefined
Please provide:
-Player names
-Corp names
-Alliance names

Thank you

name and shame.
/me grabs pitchfork and torch

Fifinella
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Foundation
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:56:00 - [635]
 

Quote:
We are still conducting operations to deal with this matter and we will keep you posted on the progress and results as things develop.



Somehow people hit the reply button by accident before reading that last bit.

That last bit means there might well be more bannings and "seizures" to come, the destruction of 5 corporations was just the initial reaction to obvious exploiters. Now they're chasing down the money.

Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment.
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:56:00 - [636]
 

Originally by: Valan
Originally by: Inertial
One thing amazes me.

People are crying because someone petitioned it when they first saw it, and CCP closed the petition without looking into it, which is bad. But you got to realise that they were probably drowning in petitions about towers at that time, because they had just recently been released. So its not unreasonable that they missed it.

Personally I just think it was a excuse for the exploiter, so he could say "I petitioned it and CCP didn't say it wasn't okay", altough anyone with half a braincell can see that it was a clear exploit.


Well RA exploited complexes for months and CCP didn't ban anyone even thought it was obviously an exploit to anyone with an IQ.



I think farming is a hugely different problem than this which ranks among the likes of item or isk cloning.

RedSplat
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:57:00 - [637]
 

Nice. But people are going to want to know the following,

Now, who was it?

Are CCP going to chase this up properly; most of those banned will be alt corps. The whole mess needs an in-depth investigation to trace the more circumspect offenders back to their mother corps and alliances- Scapegoating several alliances and brushing the actions of others under the carpet wont bode well for customer relations.

How long was it going on for?

Why did CCP alter market data?


Miklas Laces
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:57:00 - [638]
 

follow the money
see if this money goes to bigger corps/alliances
ban them all also

and then give us all names
dont be pathetic bunch of losers hiding behind "policies" like always
trust in your company is at all-time low, do the right thing
show respect to people who play the game without exploits

idiots

Afale II
Space Pony Farm
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:58:00 - [639]
 

BURN THEM, DROWN THEM !


(ig ofc)

Mr John22ta
Supercarrier Aggression
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:59:00 - [640]
 

Edited by: Mr John22ta on 11/12/2008 14:02:26

Originally by: Sma Balveda
Quote:
On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy,


Nice historical allusion there....


Yeah, nice to see they have a sense of humour about this ugh


Hmm, is this exploit really comparible to pearl harbour? Laughing

Would also like to know what corps/alliances where involved


Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:59:00 - [641]
 

Originally by: Miklas Laces
follow the money
see if this money goes to bigger corps/alliances
ban them all also

and then give us all names
dont be pathetic bunch of losers hiding behind "policies" like always
trust in your company is at all-time low, do the right thing
show respect to people who play the game without exploits

idiots



My somebody got up on the wrong side o' the bed. I disagree with all-time low. This was a fast response and good info regarding what happened AND the investigation is ONGOING.

And those policies? They are there for a reason. sheesh.

IntegerOverflow
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:01:00 - [642]
 

that's crazy... such an exploit, overseen for years.... I mean, such a thing must have been obvious in the market logs / statistics.

well, anyways, will be interesting how the market reacts.

I believe the buzz alone is enough to make prices go up, and the impact will become obvious over the next weeks.

Aleyra Mel
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:02:00 - [643]
 

Edited by: Aleyra Mel on 11/12/2008 14:04:13
NAME AND SHAME, when you screw eve community and market you cant escape in the shadows.
Name the banned accounts and especially their corporations!

Wodanonline
Amarr
Pringles Inc.
No Comment.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:02:00 - [644]
 

can ccp go more into what exactly you did and how far your going in terms of tracing the billions of isk generated by this bug/exploit.

as far as i can read you stopped a few real corps alot of alt corps and alot of alts maybe a few mains.
according to some msgs this has been going on for a LONG time and so the isk is probbly spread around.

and what about other accounts using the same IP even if you used a diffrent character to exploit this bug doesnt make your other character less guilty.

i know its impossible to trace it all to the last bit but this must have generated alot of isk/assets that are now floating around in eve wich is very unfair towards your 5+ year old player base that still work long and hard to get their isk piles in a fair way.

also your msg sounds like you only went after the ppl who are exploiting it since you receieved the petition. what about before that ?

hope we get some more info soon and that this is not just turned into some rant place.

Koggull
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:03:00 - [645]
 

GM Grimmi ftw! - Thanks for the update!

As for those 7 corps in 2 alliances involved, I think the public demands the names of those involved.. Character names isnt really relevant, we want the corporations names.

I'm really pleased with how the EVE staff is taking care of this scandal, it shows that you have learned from previous mistakes. But the public needs more.

Solid resources are saying it's mostly related to MM. - LOL @ Goons and everone else who pointed their fingers at bob in the beginning.

Rawthorm
Gallente
The Establishment
Establishment.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:03:00 - [646]
 

People need to bare in mind that we dont realyl know for a FACT how long this has been going on, and if CCP was really awear in the long term.

If CCP were not awear of the issue in the long term, then the buck stops with us the player. It's up to us to find and report these things.

Johnny Gurkha
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:05:00 - [647]
 


Xthril Ranger
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:08:00 - [648]
 

Originally by: Koggull
Solid resources are saying it's mostly related to MM.

All of Morsus Mihi corporations are still active ("All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions").

XFranc
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:08:00 - [649]
 

Edited by: XFranc on 11/12/2008 14:09:30
Edited by: XFranc on 11/12/2008 14:08:34
nvm

Koggull
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:10:00 - [650]
 

Originally by: Xthril Ranger
Originally by: Koggull
Solid resources are saying it's mostly related to MM.

All of Morsus Mihi corporations are still active ("All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions").


The keyword in my sentence is "related" - Doesn't HAVE to be corps in the MM alliance it self :)

XxHey BabyxX
Gallente
THE INTERNET.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:10:00 - [651]
 

Edited by: XxHey BabyxX on 11/12/2008 14:17:37
Edited by: XxHey BabyxX on 11/12/2008 14:10:28
Evoke, Mostly Harmless, BOB, MM calling it now!

irlegend
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:10:00 - [652]
 

TBH i couldent care less, if some carebears scored big so be it, they made the t2 prices drop i guess, which have made everything good.
Im just looking forward to seeing how many big alliances will lose their industrial wings due to this :-)

Minny Sky
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:11:00 - [653]
 

All that **** you guys talk and you and PL were cheating this whole time. Ban all of you


Originally by: Xthril Ranger
Originally by: Koggull
Solid resources are saying it's mostly related to MM.

All of Morsus Mihi corporations are still active ("All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions").



Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:13:00 - [654]
 

Edited by: Lord Saradomin on 11/12/2008 14:13:27
Originally by: Miklas Laces
follow the money
see if this money goes to bigger corps/alliances
ban them all also

and then give us all names
dont be pathetic bunch of losers hiding behind "policies" like always
trust in your company is at all-time low, do the right thing
show respect to people who play the game without exploits

idiots



follow the money aye?....I bet you any amount that it's been through your account, if not someone in your corp.

It wouldn't have just stayed in one account, it would be on the market.

But well done CCP, shame about the 5 day response, but good work on the player submitting the petition.

Koggull
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:14:00 - [655]
 

But then again Xthril Ranger, it doesn't have to be MM.. - It's just like the t20 incident..

BoB, as an alliance had no idea what t20 was doing. RKK had no ideas as well. T20 was acting on his own but the whole alliance got smudged as cheaters. - The same thing will happen to MM (That is if it's true that the exploiters are related to MM.)

MM are good people, no doupt about that. Fine pvpers and awesome players. - How ever, it only takes one guy to **** everything up (ie. t20)

davcin
Caldari
davcin Corp
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:16:00 - [656]
 

Names!!

Saying you banned is one thing, giving the names of who was banned is another and it helps to proof that you indeed did something!

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:17:00 - [657]
 

My opinion. CCP must do much MORE than cancel out the effects of such action. Punishment should be EXTENDED and very serious. Must be a lesson to make pople think twice before doing anything like that.

I would say ALL capitals, supercapitals and POS from corps involved or corps that recieved isk from corps involved should be eliminated. Yes completely CRIPPLE and remove 0.0 foothold of any alliance that was involved in ANY degree. Does snot matter a few only were involved and some of the pilots of such ships did not knew where the isk came from. The punishment should make more harm to the involved than they have done to the game.

And mostly important MAIN director characters of the true corps that received that type of isk must be banned. Would dare to say, if a few heads in scheme are detected, to be prosecuted legally in RL.

CCP has now ONE chance to make us proud and show themselves as a company worthy of our faith. They must BAN all characters of anyone involved directly and seize assets of all corps that received isk from that. And i mean ALL assets. Your corp created 1B isk only with the exploit? Too bad. you loose ALL your POSs and capitals now... think more before trying stupid things in future.

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:18:00 - [658]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 11/12/2008 14:19:36

CPP stating that this had a significant impact on the economy - that's huge.

Originally by: ApaKaka
It's more likely this GM simply took notes of petitions during the onslaught of bugs/petitions that arrived during the POS-introduction, and basically assumed he already had this described in another bug/petition.

Besides, GM's don't deal with bugs unless they make characters stuck, the bugtracking system always has had that job, and lots of faults notoriously petitioned never reached the eyes of Q&A teams as evidenced by their "We haven't seen this fault? Can you please describe it?" threads all over when people have been petitioning it for ages already.

If my own software job is anything to go by, that is certainly possible. Bugs need to be filed as bugs, otherwise they will be lost and never fixed.

Kaar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:21:00 - [659]
 

I love all these Goodfellas and Atlas guys demanding that entire (enemy) alliances be punished.

You guys are terrible Laughing

Shpuntik
Federal Defence Union
Posted - 2008.12.11 14:21:00 - [660]
 

Edited by: Shpuntik on 11/12/2008 14:26:02
damn when this type of thing happened in NF (not as big scale as this) when I was server head I was kicking the s**t out of the mods and devs finding out why the hell this was not found and dealt with more so if reports are true that it was petitioned. Not sure who is running CCP mod team but they need to get stuff sorted petitions taking too long and not even getting noticed is just unacceptable. I would hope a top CCP employee to write a blog soon listing full details of what has happened and damaged cause as well as action taken it is the least we as players as well as customers of this game deserve.

I thought the T2 scandal was bad but this could be even worse the effect on market will be huge and the effect it has already made in the game well thats unknown to us but we can only assume.


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