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Ebodhisatva
The Templars Knights
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:12:00 - [601]
 

This will react in a same matter of the crisis today in RL. A giant bubble of normal steady flowing ISK is taken away from the community, now what will happen is prolly the equivalent of what happens at this very moment in RL. But there will be no Cash Printing Devices made like the US does now.

Very funny experiment CCP, a Real Life World emulation

Scagga Laebetrovo
Failure Assured
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:13:00 - [602]
 

Originally by: Apaco lypse
Originally by: Elisa Day
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
BIG THING:


It's not just the ferrogel!!! It's ALL of the adv. moon materials. Seriously, go check out each and every single one. At least in Forge region, it's done for all of 'em, probably everywhere else too.


It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.

So it could be 1. CONSPIRACY or 2. Completely normal market history glitch that happens almost every day.

it's every t2 item including ships


It's quite suspicious. Could one other possibility be an incredibly aggressive market ploy? I'm sure there are many people with the wealth to buy out entire regions - what would it cost, a few trillion isk? The reason I suggest this was my own instinct as a trader would have been to buy certain T2/Advanced products as fast as possible and in the highest quantities I could afford, then sit on them for a month or two and resell.


Veroid
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:15:00 - [603]
 

Originally by: "Verfasser"@EveO.de

...



*edit* German isn't my first language, but I'm quite sure his allegation is that he's "sure" it was passed on by a GM, but not that he has proof / can provide proof of this specific allegation. */edit*


pretty good translations as far as i can tell, english is not my first language :)

there is the question for a proof:
question proof

his answer

Koggull
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:19:00 - [604]
 

Originally by: spyor
GUYS calm down... its christmas... THIS IS A GAME. we pay for the game, who are we to say what is an exploit and what is not. the offenders have been dealt with. lets get on with the game.

PLAY PLAY PLAY

not whine whine whine..... Rolling Eyes

the game btw does lend itself to scam to win, its peoples choice to scam to win, im not here to win, eve you cannot win, you dont win life and eve is like life.



^ THIS ! - I like you, you are propably one of the very few who has some sense left in their brain.

HAVE MY BABIES !

RedClaws
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:22:00 - [605]
 

Originally by: Koggull
Originally by: spyor
GUYS calm down... its christmas... THIS IS A GAME. we pay for the game, who are we to say what is an exploit and what is not. the offenders have been dealt with. lets get on with the game.

PLAY PLAY PLAY

not whine whine whine..... Rolling Eyes

the game btw does lend itself to scam to win, its peoples choice to scam to win, im not here to win, eve you cannot win, you dont win life and eve is like life.



^ THIS ! - I like you, you are propably one of the very few who has some sense left in their brain.

HAVE MY BABIES !


This is stupid. It's obvious it was an exploit, the guy even got banned for it ffs. Scamming is something else entirely.

Valan
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:24:00 - [606]
 

Originally by: Inertial
One thing amazes me.

People are crying because someone petitioned it when they first saw it, and CCP closed the petition without looking into it, which is bad. But you got to realise that they were probably drowning in petitions about towers at that time, because they had just recently been released. So its not unreasonable that they missed it.

Personally I just think it was a excuse for the exploiter, so he could say "I petitioned it and CCP didn't say it wasn't okay", altough anyone with half a braincell can see that it was a clear exploit.


Well RA exploited complexes for months and CCP didn't ban anyone even thought it was obviously an exploit to anyone with an IQ.

Vrikshaka
Yawn Corp
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:26:00 - [607]
 

*grabs popcorn*

Stahlregen
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:29:00 - [608]
 

Originally by: Roemy Schneider
so... you banned a few pos alts...
bravo


This.

Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:33:00 - [609]
 

Read the player news. more info on it from CCP. bigger than one guy on SHC.

Drachma Golea
Caldari
hunter killers
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:37:00 - [610]
 

Originally by: Sevarus James
Read the player news. more info on it from CCP. bigger than one guy on SHC.


OMFG LOL

Ghoest
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:37:00 - [611]
 

These people saying lets "move on" are a joke.

They are people in or related to alliances that benefited greatly from the exploit. They are hoping only the actual cheaters suffer and that they who benefited from the cheats(with nearly unlimited war resources) wont lose their sovereignty.

Elisa Day
Shade.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:38:00 - [612]
 

As predicted, Ferrogel (and all the other materials) now have market history data on 12.10. Wow, it wasn't some sort of nonsensical coverup, just normal market history hiccups! Who would've ever guessed...

JoeBear770
Amarr
Faster Muffins
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:39:00 - [613]
 

Where's the swirly bug, the exploit mascot?Shocked

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:40:00 - [614]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.

Name and shame!

Cheers,
Arrs

A Sinner
Muppet Factory
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:41:00 - [615]
 

Edited by: A Sinner on 11/12/2008 13:45:18
give link here please of what wrangler said

edit : thanks, now tell us the names of those alliances. it will be found out eventually anyway, no point making us wait.

Shadoo
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:42:00 - [616]
 

OK, you banned the accounts and removed the POSes. Excellent.

Now -- can you give us an update on what will be done about the isk generated by this exploit? Will you follow the trail and remove isk/assets from the alts that you banned?

Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:42:00 - [617]
 

Originally by: A Sinner
give link here please of what wrangler said


go back to 1st page of this thread, or check player news.

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:43:00 - [618]
 

Originally by: A Sinner
give link here please of what wrangler said

Wrangler's first post in this thread has been updated. Details are also in the player's News Centre, but here you go:

Quote:
On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that. We immediately started investigating the issue and found that there was indeed a problem and that it was being exploited to gain unfair advantages.

We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.

The corporations were producing high end materials for T2 production. Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching. The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process.

We are still conducting operations to deal with this matter and we will keep you posted on the progress and results as things develop.


Thank you


Cheers,
Arrs

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:44:00 - [619]
 

Originally by: Scagga Laebetrovo
I see very few people thanking CCP for fixing this.


I probartly will, when I know whats going on :P.

If players have been actively exploiting the game thats sad :(.

Madius
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:44:00 - [620]
 

Quote:
banned over 70 accounts

I seriously ****ing doubt that this exploit was limited to 70 accounts. Rolling Eyes

Alexander Universe
Criminal Countdown
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:46:00 - [621]
 

I still can't unfortunately get information from Wrangler's post about was it or wasn't it exploited for four years. Am I misreading it for the fifth time?

Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:47:00 - [622]
 

The obvious solution is to buy all the Ferrogel you can.

Jalif
Minmatar
Snuff Box
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:47:00 - [623]
 

Originally by: Sevarus James
Read the player news. more info on it from CCP. bigger than one guy on SHC.


Somebody check the corporations of wich alliances those were plz :)

Stefan F
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:47:00 - [624]
 

Originally by: Madius
Quote:
banned over 70 accounts

I seriously ****ing doubt that this exploit was limited to 70 accounts. Rolling Eyes


He didn't say 70... He said over 70 :)
1045 is also over 70

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:48:00 - [625]
 

Nice. They banned the 70 accounts, in 3 alliance corps and 5 alt corps (certainly related to some wiser alliances), destroyed the POSes, and that is it?

And the money?!!!!

What about the trillions of ISK that must be now in the hands of people that are not member of those 7 corporations? What about the assets bought with it?

Simply putting an end to the exploit is too little too late...

KeratinBoy
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:48:00 - [626]
 

Reads update, increasingly shocked.

Is CCP learning?

It is a sign of the endtimes. (or I am delusional)

Mioelnir
Minmatar
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:49:00 - [627]
 

Quote:
The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process.


Somehow I read this as "the supply now being cut down to moons is by an order of manitude no longer able to support the current tech 2 market and alchemy reactions are no longer needed as price-caps but have to be relied upon to somehow even hope to meet market demands."

I am worried.

Amber Coldheart
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:49:00 - [628]
 

Originally by: Madius
Quote:
banned over 70 accounts

I seriously ****ing doubt that this exploit was limited to 70 accounts. Rolling Eyes

Probably doesnt even cover the PoS alts, no, hehe

Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:49:00 - [629]
 

Originally by: Vyktor Abyss
Taking bets on which Dev it is finally answers the gathering lynch mob...


2/1 CCP Zulupark (We all love him at the moment don't we?)
3/1 CCP Wrangler (Expert in saying lots but answering nothing)
5/1 CCP Oveur (Times of trouble, out come the big guns...)
10/1 CCP Eris (Would probably turn the mob pink)
12/1 CCP Eyjo (Will blind us with stats that make it seem as if its 2004 again)
100/1 No Answer (....ever)

Send your iskies to me for more fixed odds - Cheers. :)


noooooooooooo none of the above Sad

GM Grimmi!!!

Rosalina Sarinna
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:51:00 - [630]
 

Originally by: Madius
Quote:
banned over 70 accounts

I seriously ****ing doubt that this exploit was limited to 70 accounts. Rolling Eyes


He does also say they are still investigating...
70 did seem a big number when I first read it though.


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