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XxHey BabyxX
Gallente
THE INTERNET.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:26:00 - [571]
 

looks bad for MH, Evoke, MM, Razor, RA, BOB

Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:27:00 - [572]
 

Originally by: XxHey BabyxX
looks bad for MH, Evoke, MM, Razor, RA, BOB


Don't try to act like University of Caille didn't have a hand in this.

Leakim jones
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:27:00 - [573]
 

Originally by: 0vermind
in case you dont get it CCP
cut the voluntary crap that hunt bug and PAY some BUG HUNTERS


I would be willing to be paid to be a bug hunter Very Happy

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:28:00 - [574]
 

Originally by: Jix Star
As the effects of this exploit are going to be so wide spread with practically every player affected in some way, I would support a reset of TQ.

The entire EvE economy has been ruined by this, makes sense to start again tbh and make it fair for everyone.

I'm pretty sure that CCP will not reset TQ. Too many people have invested spent too much time in the game to make this an acceptable choice. If this were to happen I suspect a large number of players, including myself, would quit. I don't want to have to start again after nearly 4 years in game.

TBH, I'm not too fussed about this whole drama. I hope it doesn't make my T2 items and ships too expensive, but if it does it will be similar to a could of years back. What I would like to see is a 'name and shame' post where details of which corporations have had POS removed (and how many) are listed.

Cheers,
Arrs

JMG
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:29:00 - [575]
 

Edited by: JMG on 11/12/2008 12:33:05
i think we will see a dramatic politic change after big names like RA, Goons, TCF
BoB will disband cause their money making players got band and mostly all assets
are removed cause gained due to exploid use......

all those exploiters had changed eve politics that much and enjoyed playing
eve without "working" for anything" :( shame on u guys
(and on CCP tbh, for that this Exploit is up and running for xxx months/years.... dosnt matter)
ban all those freaks and try to fix the universe; and then get some new GMs that
will listen more to Players Petitions (voices) :(


well, as some more shouting for it; YES, reset Tranquility and SiSi, put the latest patches on an
lets start from beginning ! would love to see "real" fights again and no UBER system lagging blobbs

Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:30:00 - [576]
 

Originally by: N'irrti
Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Oooh.... Here's hoping T2 module prices go back up towards pre-invention days, killing people was soooo much more worthwhile back then... YARRRR!!


and the tears where much more tasty :D
OM NOM NOM NOM! YARRRR!!

If I remember rightly, it was around 15-20M per T2 turret, you could make some serious isk plinking a T2 fitted Battleship... Shocked

XxHey BabyxX
Gallente
THE INTERNET.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:34:00 - [577]
 

Edited by: XxHey BabyxX on 11/12/2008 12:44:25
Originally by: Karille
Originally by: XxHey BabyxX
looks bad for MH, Evoke, MM, Razor, RA, BOB


Don't try to act like University of Caille didn't have a hand in this.


well MH(D2,TRUST, XETIC leadership), Evoke(D2,G) and some other german Corps, (mostly former G/TRUST Corps)

where all involved in this. Some got banned over the last few days.

if you don't belive me, just watch the next few days, membercount, sov lose.

Jeykhwo
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:36:00 - [578]
 

Originally by: JMG
i think we will see a dramatic politic change after big names like RA, Goons, TCF
BoB will disband cause their money making players got band and mostly all assets
are removed cause gained due to exploid use......

all those exploiters had changed eve politics that much and enjoyed playing
eve without "working" for anything" :( shame on u guys
(and on CCP tbh, for that this Exploit is up and running for xxx months/years.... dosnt matter)
ban all those freaks and try to fix the universe; and then get some new GMs that
will listen more to Players Petitions (voices) :(



Stop giving name of alliance without any idea or proof...
I hope CCP will do a list of shame... with any involved people and corp / alliance.
But before that I hope ppl keep their mouth shut, to preserve us from their stupidity

Johnny Gurkha
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:37:00 - [579]
 

Originally by: Jeykhwo
I hope CCP will do a list of shame...


Name and shame would be nice, provide plenty of lol's and a fair few red faces Laughing

Soyseki Desu
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:37:00 - [580]
 

Originally by: Veroid
hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..

as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days


You can give the reference?

XxHey BabyxX
Gallente
THE INTERNET.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:39:00 - [581]
 

Edited by: XxHey BabyxX on 11/12/2008 12:39:40
Originally by: Soyseki Desu
Originally by: Veroid
hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..

as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days


You can give the reference?


http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showthread.php?p=281850#post281850
his name is "Verfasser"

Avaleric
Amarr
SC Special Circumstances
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:40:00 - [582]
 

Originally by: Quakers
can we called this Pos-gate?
please let us call this Pos-gate!

Very Happy


YES - lets! Laughing

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:40:00 - [583]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
TQ reset would make the game pretty interesting, everything would be new again, no super cap fleets, no POS in every 0.0 system, no jump bridges, no titans, no jump freighters. Lots of t1 ships. Fair play for all.

What's not to like? Smile


Hmmm taking away everything I worked for 2 years to get?

Yeah I kind of don't like that.

Still, if you think it would be fun, please go ahead and biomass your characters. Let us know how it turns out.

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:41:00 - [584]
 


Inertial
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:42:00 - [585]
 

One thing amazes me.

People are crying because someone petitioned it when they first saw it, and CCP closed the petition without looking into it, which is bad. But you got to realise that they were probably drowning in petitions about towers at that time, because they had just recently been released. So its not unreasonable that they missed it.

Personally I just think it was a excuse for the exploiter, so he could say "I petitioned it and CCP didn't say it wasn't okay", altough anyone with half a braincell can see that it was a clear exploit.

ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:42:00 - [586]
 

Originally by: XxHey BabyxX

http://www.eve-online.de/forum/showthread.php?p=281850#post281850
his name is "Verfasser"


It's more likely this GM simply took notes of petitions during the onslaught of bugs/petitions that arrived during the POS-introduction, and basically assumed he already had this described in another bug/petition.

Besides, GM's don't deal with bugs unless they make characters stuck, the bugtracking system always has had that job, and lots of faults notoriously petitioned never reached the eyes of Q&A teams as evidenced by their "We haven't seen this fault? Can you please describe it?" threads all over when people have been petitioning it for ages already.


WifeTrade
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:43:00 - [587]
 

I find it rather amusing that afther the initial GS fingerpointing at BoB the most vocal GS posters have gone quiet.

On the other hand, I found it rather interesting that when MAX kinda failed against us in e-o/m-o. We actually fielded more Dreads/Carriers than BoB, so it doesnt matter how embarrasing it might be. I think i can speak for most of the players out there, we want a LARGE GM post explaining stuff and name & shame.

dyson mesa
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:46:00 - [588]
 

Originally by: Soyseki Desu
Originally by: Veroid
...


You can give the reference?


click

there he says that he is sure that a gm catched the information and gave them to 3rd persons. later in the thread he was asked if he could prove that. he replied that if it comes eye for an eye he could.

Will Barton
Zero Company
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:49:00 - [589]
 

Oh****

If this meens that t2 modules will skyrocket we are doomed. Alot more AF will be seen on the fieldLaughing

About ppl yelling about CCP should seed markets: There might be unintended effects of this. And it might screw up more than nessecary(spelling)

imho let it sort itself out. The "invisible hand" will fix the market. It might take a while, but its in its nature to stabilize.

Glengrant
Beyond Limited
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:51:00 - [590]
 

The amount of wild fabrication and conclusion jumping baffles me.

The crazies amongst have almost no solid information - but does that keep you from believing the worst possibilities and then make up all sorts of dramatic consequences - of course not. Less exciting I guess.

* Server reset? Somebody above said that's unlikely to happem. Wrong! It won't happen. Not a chance. Not even a tiny one and nothing fair about it either.

* Whole EVE economy affected. BS. If even the worst assumptions are true it's still only affecting the minority of people living in 0.0 and using a lot of T2. And *if* many of the biggest alliances were involved then the cheats cancelled another.

* T2 prices rising - shrug. Maybe, we'll see.

* Have the Jove wipe 0.0? Nothing like that will happen. Would be very unfair to the vast majority of people living there and also not have the effect the confused here want it to be. The same folks as before would be back in no time.

Goons, RA, BoB, MM, etc... they don't own what they own because of T2 material prices or some T2 BPO. They are there because they have the will and organisation to keep an alliance running. That would not change one bit.

The likely scenario is that this exploit was not widely used for 4 years. If it has been going on in a non-negligable way since only a few weeks ago then the economy was hardly affected and the fix won't affect the market much.

Even if it went on for long time in a big way - this won't be nearly as relevant as many here think. T2 was expensive before - shrug. CCP can easily change some variables and increase supply if they want.

KeratinBoy
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:57:00 - [591]
 

Originally by: Inertial
One thing amazes me.

People are crying because someone petitioned it when they first saw it, and CCP closed the petition without looking into it, which is bad. But you got to realise that they were probably drowning in petitions about towers at that time, because they had just recently been released. So its not unreasonable that they missed it.



Nope, for my (honest) money, that's gross negligence. "Potential game-shaping bug? Meh" *closes petition*

Quote:

Personally I just think it was a excuse for the exploiter, so he could say "I petitioned it and CCP didn't say it wasn't okay", altough anyone with half a braincell can see that it was a clear exploit.


True but if CCP doesn't care, why should he/she?

Also, why is anyone expecting anything even remotely resembling decent disclosure from CCP on this? The only way they will ever learn is voting with your money.

Or trying to pay with monopoly money.

Still, though, CCP tends to only really do anything when we keep going bananas at them so keep on, I guess.

Also, Stoffer (or whatever your CCP handle is now), dude, push for disclosure, use small words, bang heads together, whatever you can, tia.

Tobias Lee
Star Mercs
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:58:00 - [592]
 

You don't need to reset the universe, get another server, put the blackholes and wormholes in, it leads to another universe that hasn't been exploited yet, make the black holes wormholes etc too small for cap ships. No cap fleet backup and a brave new world to go and gold rush for and it might even produce a surge in new players.

Rutger Centemus
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:01:00 - [593]
 

Edited by: Rutger Centemus on 11/12/2008 13:05:05
Edited by: Rutger Centemus on 11/12/2008 13:03:13
Originally by: dyson mesa
Originally by: Soyseki Desu
Originally by: Veroid
...


You can give the reference?


click

there he says that he is sure that a gm catched the information and gave them to 3rd persons. later in the thread he was asked if he could prove that. he replied that if it comes eye for an eye he could.


Translation:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: "Verfasser"@EveO.de

Ok. To make some things clearer.

A petition for this phenomenon with POS'es was sent.

It was sent back without a reply.
The phenomenon was nevertheless there.
Nowadays I'm sure that this information was received by a GM
and passed on to an unknown third party.

Everyone here condemning this or expressing his opinions,
should ask himself, if he would not have acted in the same way.

None can say "I would not have done this."

We're talking about the Eve-equivalent of King Solomon's Treasure here.



*edit* German isn't my first language, but I'm quite sure his allegation is that he's "sure" it was passed on by a GM, but not that he has proof / can provide proof of this specific allegation. */edit*

Joram McRory
eXceed Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:04:00 - [594]
 

Originally by: Glengrant
The amount of wild fabrication and conclusion jumping baffles me.


* Whole EVE economy affected. BS. If even the worst assumptions are true it's still only affecting the minority of people living in 0.0 and using a lot of T2. And *if* many of the biggest alliances were involved then the cheats cancelled another.





Minority?? I think you are wrong there - I seem to remember seeing something from CCP saying only 1/4 of characters are in 0.0. But as almost every 0.0 player I know of has at least one Empire char (I have 3 x empire chars to 1 x 0.0 one). Even if 1:1 is more normal that's still 1/2 of players being involved in 0.0

Ghoest
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:05:00 - [595]
 

It looks like all the pillars of 0.0 space were built on a cheat.

Simply banning the leaders isnt enough. Any Alliance that used this should lose all their POS.

You cant rest the world but you can try to undo the damage.

spyor
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:06:00 - [596]
 

GUYS calm down... its christmas... THIS IS A GAME. we pay for the game, who are we to say what is an exploit and what is not. the offenders have been dealt with. lets get on with the game.

PLAY PLAY PLAY

not whine whine whine..... Rolling Eyes

the game btw does lend itself to scam to win, its peoples choice to scam to win, im not here to win, eve you cannot win, you dont win life and eve is like life.

Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:07:00 - [597]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
It looks like all the pillars of 0.0 space were built on a cheat.

Simply banning the leaders isnt enough. Any Alliance that used this should lose all their POS.

You cant rest the world but you can try to undo the damage.


Why does it look like that?
What proof is there that this has lasted 4 years and is extremely widespread?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:07:00 - [598]
 

Originally by: spyor
GUYS calm down... its christmas... THIS IS A GAME. we pay for the game, who are we to say what is an exploit and what is not. the offenders have been dealt with. lets get on with the game.

PLAY PLAY PLAY

not whine whine whine..... Rolling Eyes

the game btw does lend itself to scam to win, its peoples choice to scam to win, im not here to win, eve you cannot win, you dont win life and eve is like life.



Reaction POS owner ITT...Embarassed

Veroid
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:08:00 - [599]
 

should be said that the exploiter were fully aware of what they were doing and that they think it is ok that the got banned, even after some people mentioned that the ban was not correct after such a long peroid of time and due to the fact that it was him who petitioned it.

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.11 13:11:00 - [600]
 

If what I hear of this situation is correct, I'm much more disappointed in the exploiters than the company. That said, I think this is a time for hands to get dirty and clean up this mess. Neutral


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