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SilverSoldier
Amarr
BlackSky inc.
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:41:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: SilverSoldier on 10/12/2008 21:41:28
dang.. 2nd page..

4years is allot of iskies... ALLOT! share the wealth! or will i get banned for that?:P

will this influence current moonmat prices? if ur able to fill up a silo in a few hours instead of week or would be a HUGE ammount of moonmats disapearing from the game..


Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:42:00 - [32]
 

How many more exploits like this are still out there? :(

Aero089
Exiled.
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:42:00 - [33]
 

Rumour has it that several large alliances have gained from this, but to what effect?

Zoiewu
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:42:00 - [34]
 

check the influence map over the next few days, I really hope for your own benefit you give a more detailed account of things given the impact this would have had over 4 Years.

TheG2
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:43:00 - [35]
 

Well done CCP, good thing my subscription ends tomorrow morning.

Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:43:00 - [36]
 

acknowledging that it exists but not a word about its potential effects =/

Hammerfail CEO
Caldari
Hammerfail Industries
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:44:00 - [37]
 

Things are looking bad for MM

Underpaid Overworked
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:44:00 - [38]
 


New page = New request for a real statement by CCP that identifies the extent of damages done, the extent of players/corps/alliances involved in the exploit, how long CCP has know about this and done nothing, how may titans are being removed, etc.

Your statement is BS.

royal killer
Amarr
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:44:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Aero089
Rumour has it that several large alliances have gained from this, but to what effect?


Maybe this helped a lot in BOB's major capital funds ? Just ideas i'm posting, plz no flameEmbarassed

Amber Coldheart
Caldari
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:46:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Amber Coldheart on 10/12/2008 21:46:31
Originally by: Mistress Frome
acknowledging that it exists but not a word about its potential effects =/

Well, potential effect is basically endless profit, without pretty much lifting a finger. Guess you have to haul stuff off every now and then, to keep the silos empty.

As for the potential consequenses, well... if CCP took 4 years to do something about this, i wont suggest holding your breath :)

Sgt Napalm
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:46:00 - [41]
 

The real sad part is that a 3rd party forum had this pointed out to them by a banned character, only then did CCP act. Laughing If it was not for that 3rd party forum this would have been under the rug in a heart beat. Laughing


Sgt Napalm
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:47:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Mistress Frome
acknowledging that it exists but not a word about its potential effects =/


Unlimited moon minerals for 4 years or so effect. Laughing


Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:49:00 - [43]
 

Useless [email protected]/12/2008 21:23:00. We know all this and have read the details of the xploit and estimated effects given by the exploiter. Please give us your version of the details about the effects of this. Until you do the exploiters version=fact and speculations about the effects will keep shaking prices of certain market items.

Mistress Frome
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:49:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Mistress Frome on 10/12/2008 21:49:36
Originally by: Amber Coldheart
Edited by: Amber Coldheart on 10/12/2008 21:46:31
Originally by: Mistress Frome
acknowledging that it exists but not a word about its potential effects =/

Well, potential effect is basically endless profit, without pretty much lifting a finger. Guess you have to haul stuff off every now and then, to keep the silos empty.

As for the potential consequenses, well... if CCP took 4 years to do something about this, i wont suggest holding your breath :)



yeah my bad I meant consequences. but I agree though. having this go on for 4 whole years is just wow.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:50:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Straight Chillen
I heard about this once quite a while ago. And i wrote if off to the drunken ramblings of a southern man. God damn i coullda been bannedConfused


Fixed. Laughing

Miss CutieTrader
Hounds Of War
Shadows of Light
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:51:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Sgt Napalm
The real sad part is that a 3rd party forum had this pointed out to them by a banned character, only then did CCP act. Laughing If it was not for that 3rd party forum this would have been under the rug in a heart beat. Laughing





agreed:S

Doonoo Boonoo
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:51:00 - [47]
 

4 years.Shocked Pretty sad that this came out on a 3rd party forum. I'm getting deja vue here.


zenthral staichon
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:51:00 - [48]
 

BAIL OUTS, WE NEED BAIL OUTS!!!

Meriones
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:52:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Hammerfail CEO
Things are looking bad for MM


I can still log in \o/.

I blame Fluf for this tho.

Mioelnir
Minmatar
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:53:00 - [50]
 

The question I'd personally like to see adressed, is how much materials were created in relation to what the seeded (and mineable) moons in EVE can produce.

Is perhaps the whole t2 economy for some time (maybe years?) now running on exploited supplies? Is perheps the R64 bottleneck even worse than we always thought?

Carl Druffee
Rising Ashes Inc.
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:54:00 - [51]
 

This wasn't a feature?

Oh right, it wasn't well-documented in the player-guide, so it must have been a bug that hadn't been high on the priority-list of to-do things.

End'ani
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:55:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: TheG2
Well done CCP, good thing my subscription ends tomorrow morning.


Yay! One less scum-sucking pirate in the game...

Getting back to the thread, I wonder how many members of BoB will suddenly disappear? ... Anybody? Anybody? Razz

royal killer
Amarr
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:57:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Mioelnir
The question I'd personally like to see adressed, is how much materials were created in relation to what the seeded (and mineable) moons in EVE can produce.

Is perhaps the whole t2 economy for some time (maybe years?) now running on exploited supplies? Is perheps the R64 bottleneck even worse than we always thought?


This has been going on for 4 whole years, We're talking 5 if not 6 digit number of amounts of tech 2 ships produced out of this, since for example 4 major t2 producing corps ingame just went bankrupt (I heard).

Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:57:00 - [54]
 

Rumor has it that some of the major alliances will get 80% of their players banned. Is this true?

Cardinal Harvest
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:57:00 - [55]
 

Wohoo, this only means exploits moved to a higher level and no one needs "simple moon thing" no more as it became too obvious.

thoth foc
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:58:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: royal killer
Originally by: Aero089
Rumour has it that several large alliances have gained from this, but to what effect?


Maybe this helped a lot in BOB's major capital funds ? Just ideas i'm posting, plz no flameEmbarassed


Originally by: Hammerfail CEO
Things are looking bad for MM


Rolling Eyes

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:59:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 10/12/2008 21:59:10
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We have discovered an exploit involving starbases that made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others. We have taken measures to address this by removing the starbases used in the exploit. Additionally, assets gained from its use have been seized and bans levied against the players involved. We will continue to monitor the game for issues such as this one. We encourage players to create a petition if become aware of any activities which may permit others to gain an unfair advantage in the game.

Update by Customer Support:

On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that. We immediately started investigating the issue and found that there was indeed a problem and that it was being exploited to gain unfair advantages.

We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.

The corporations were producing high end materials for T2 production. Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching. The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process.

We are still conducting operations to deal with this matter and we will keep you posted on the progress and results as things develop.

Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend.


It took you an hour to come up with that message? Ya, that's believable.
What aren't you telling us?


What was the scope of the abuse of this exploit? How long has it gone on? Who used it? What is assets are being confiscated?

Dragonz Fire
XVA
Shugosha
Posted - 2008.12.10 21:59:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Rumor has it that some of the major alliances will get 80% of their players banned. Is this true?


no.

Kwint Sommer
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.10 22:00:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Dragonz Fire
Originally by: Abrazzar
Rumor has it that some of the major alliances will get 80% of their players banned. Is this true?


no.


That's absurd. There's no way 80% of a major alliance knew without it leaking out.

Pithecanthropus
Posted - 2008.12.10 22:02:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Pithecanthropus on 11/12/2008 15:03:38
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We have discovered an exploit involving starbases that made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others. We have taken measures to address this by removing the starbases used in the exploit. Additionally, assets gained from its use have been seized and bans levied against the players involved. We will continue to monitor the game for issues such as this one. We encourage players to create a petition if become aware of any activities which may permit others to gain an unfair advantage in the game.


That's it? That's all? After the time, money, and effort many here have made and given CCP... that's all you have to say about an exploit that some say has been going on for 4 YEARS! We deserve answers... we deserve the names... we deserve to have these people called out and hung infrom of everyone... we need names, alliances, corps, pos locations, amount earned, what they did, how much they built... the whole sha-bang.

Take accountability and show your paying customers what you intend to do to prevent things like this again.

EDITED BACK: to show your original post, but I appreciate you updating my quote of your quote.


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