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Flossing
Flush Gordon and The Toilet Ducks of Death
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:40:00 - [541]
 

Edited by: Flossing on 11/12/2008 11:43:41



NEWS FLASH


Inspector Clouseau is hot on the heals of these dastardly Exploiters and has promised to stop all of these types of shenanigans happening again in the future.




speedek
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:42:00 - [542]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
TQ reset would make the game pretty interesting, everything would be new again, no super cap fleets, no POS in every 0.0 system, no jump bridges, no titans, no jump freighters. Lots of t1 ships. Fair play for all.

What's not to like? Smile


What about T2 lottery? Very Happy

3rr0rc0d3
Amarr
The Wyld Hunt
The G0dfathers
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:43:00 - [543]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
TQ reset would make the game pretty interesting, everything would be new again, no super cap fleets, no POS in every 0.0 system, no jump bridges, no titans, no jump freighters. Lots of t1 ships. Fair play for all.

What's not to like? Smile


The loss of isk that some of the honest players have invested?
A reset could never be the solution... if it was, we would have to reboot the actual universe and start from primordial soup again.
We'd be playing Spore...

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:44:00 - [544]
 

Originally by: Ezoran DuBlaidd

and wasn't it a "banned cheater" that exposed something about wrongly spawned t2 bpos, titan account sharing, and a number of other items? yet, that 'banned cheater' turned out to be in the right...


Does this mean now that every banned person gains a lot of credibility and is so much more believable now because he cheated? Somehow I am not sure what you mean with the above.

And especially strange it is that this person is so much more believed than the market data which strongly indicates big frauds for several weeks but not before.

But yeah ... 4 years cheating draws of course much more attention than 8 weeks (or whatever) of cheeting.

Don't trust anyone! Don't believe a word of what people say. Look at the data yourself, think about if things are resonable and if they match the existing data. Only this is the right way to approach things.

Things which we cannot confirm or reject (for example: i petitioned it 4 years ago already and they closed the petition saying it is all okay) we need to completely ignore if we want to have a sound deduction.

Rosalina Sarinna
Intergalactic Syndicate
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:44:00 - [545]
 

I'd just like to say Mister Zero's piccy of the "silo swarm" at the POS makes me think how bad this has been if its been done on dozens of POS for years. I'm pretty miffed being a small scale T2/Cap manufacturer. Imho, the whole T2 infrastructure needs a restart (I think it did before this, but certainly after it) - as in T2 BPOs available once more, invention success rate being somewhat improved, and alchemy lowered from a 20:1 ratio.

ArmyOfMe
Hysera.
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:44:00 - [546]
 

i demand to be turned into jove, and that i get a ton of jove ships and all will be forgiven

Jon Arabin
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:45:00 - [547]
 

Hai,

Well, this is all just so exiting I thought I'd chip in with my two cents...

Firstly, beeb article;

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7256069.stm

Is nice!

Now for my nonsense!

EVE is a very big cake, and sometimes big cakes go wrong... The general population (small fry like me)has (IMHO) little cause to be overly concerned at this. CCP will chuck some system auditors at it, do some swift accountancy and stomp the sandcastles of the bad boys and girls (though let's face it, mostly boys!;) who were chief perps. If that ain't good enough as was once said (in a roundabout way) by some chap from M$ to Big Blue, "read the licence agreement and weep!"

We pay for access to the trainset, and get some input in return via forums and the CSM. But nobody really owns it, the issue of selling ISK to buy GTCs to buy [$]...? Well some degree of metaGing there perhaps, but I've a dayjob and find all the web resource and open source tools quite cool.

Plus this closely mirrors what had been going on with RL economics, 'cept it was moonmuck/modules not mortgages in this case. Try buying that nice T2 Passive Drake with your pitiful ISK next month!!!:P

Anyway, ramble, ramble... Oh that was it, lot's of people here wish to be exited and het up about stuff. Well there's alot of that here, so I for one would like to congratulate whoever major Win!


Arabin for the State!

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:47:00 - [548]
 

/me pokes stuff with pitchfork

Let's lynch the T2 BPO's !! No, Really ! It would be free market! Oh and few public bannings of most vocal trolls perhaps also. People love a good show.

In more serious note I'm sure CCP Inqusitors are already rattling their rusty tools. Give em some time, as it's propably hard to understand the mumblings of the stuff their attention is focused on.

Hroya
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:49:00 - [549]
 

I dont pretent to know any details about the subject other then the official statements provided.
I have no numbers to back up any claims, or to even assume who did what, profited from this situation and to what extend.

All i do want to know is, how will it affect MY EvE. Is it still worthwhile to invest MY time into EvE to plan things, finding out how the market works, how to run a corporation some day, work for an alliance, building things up in the long run. Have a fair shot at working towards the bigger things.

Will it really affect me or is it just a drama scene on a level of gameplay that i wont even scratch any day under the Sun ?


Enaria Ferenic
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:52:00 - [550]
 

Well an Alliance m8 of mine (Baske) did propose that the best way to deal with this was via a 0.0 reset, but using RP mechanics, specifically a Jove invasion of 0.0 which would kick all players outta 0.0 and destroy all 0.0 infrastructure. Once this is complete the jove would mysteriously disappear again and players could once again enter 0.0. Imagine the mad dash to re-establish in 0.0 and finding that all the moons etc. had been re-set?

New power blocs anyone? Oh and more NPC 0.0 space plz.

Bodica
Section XIII
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:54:00 - [551]
 

Originally by: Enaria Ferenic
Well an Alliance m8 of mine (Baske) did propose that the best way to deal with this was via a 0.0 reset, but using RP mechanics, specifically a Jove invasion of 0.0 which would kick all players outta 0.0 and destroy all 0.0 infrastructure. Once this is complete the jove would mysteriously disappear again and players could once again enter 0.0. Imagine the mad dash to re-establish in 0.0 and finding that all the moons etc. had been re-set?

New power blocs anyone? Oh and more NPC 0.0 space plz.



we already have our "chrismas gift : QR 1.0.3. Don't ask too mutch PLEAZE !!!

Enaria Ferenic
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:55:00 - [552]
 

Meh our Christmas gift was a drama bomb!


Haywoode Jablome
Wormhole supervisory and Investigation team
Blanket Men
Posted - 2008.12.11 11:58:00 - [553]
 

Want to see giant alliances collapse?

Watch closely what will happen in the very near future... Sad

Deviana Sevidon
Gallente
Panta-Rhei
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:04:00 - [554]
 

I would like to ask for a massive TQ reset. Everyone starts over with 100k Skillpoints, 5K ISK and a Noobship.

Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:05:00 - [555]
 

Lost your name, but I'll give you 20 to 1 that the poor new guy 'CCP Fallout' takes the 'proverbial' pole up the hole.

Roemy Schneider
Vanishing Point.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:07:00 - [556]
 

so... you banned a few pos alts...
bravo

Veroid
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:09:00 - [557]
 

hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..

as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days

Leakim jones
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:09:00 - [558]
 

Edited by: Leakim jones on 11/12/2008 12:09:31
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
so... you banned a few pos alts...
bravo


Ban their IP, that will get the mains as well Very Happy

dyson mesa
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:11:00 - [559]
 

Originally by: Leakim jones
Edited by: Leakim jones on 11/12/2008 12:09:31
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
so... you banned a few pos alts...
bravo


Ban their IP, that will get the mains as well Very Happy


yeah, until they got the next one from their ISP Rolling Eyes

Jeykhwo
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:12:00 - [560]
 

Originally by: Veroid
hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..

as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days


thus, by word on a forum you could know who is lying and who is saying the truth... You've got a carrier here m8 CIA needs you :D

Resolute Stormbringer
ANZAC ALLIANCE
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:13:00 - [561]
 

Originally by: Veroid
hmm, in german eveo forum the player who got the stone rolling said that if it comes eye for an eye he could prove that a gm was involved. the one who receives his petition to this bug. he further stated that this gm probably gave the information to third persons whoever that was..

as it sounds to me, and im german, he speeks the truth...so lets see what will happen the next days


If he's already banned, what is he waiting for - why not go public with all the info then.

Frankly I'll call his bluff.

Tushani
Amarr
Kamikaze Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:14:00 - [562]
 

Edited by: Tushani on 11/12/2008 12:39:41
Edited by: Tushani on 11/12/2008 12:32:04
It comes down to:

Some one at CCP (a GM we can quess)was made aware of the issue sometime around 4 years ago. However the ticket was handled - as usual - the logs showed nothing and nothing was done to fix it.
What this person did with the info is a guess only - but I've seen POS farms set up like that in the South-West corner of eve - Ala T20

It's not limited to 1-2 blocks/corps. It is (or was before the patch) spread through out EVE.

The players who have been here awhile remember fail after fail on CCP's part. This is just another example.

POS Exploit
Valuable moons/belts seeded in higher frequency in certain regions
the T20 debacle
MS give-a-way
GM's not having a clue about the game
Bad customer relations
Continuing to operate like a secret police organization
ect fail
ect fail
The worst of these problems is how CCP treats it customers. Customer Service... something CCP needs to learn. still. fast. And the whole CSM is a sop to make us think they care. More and more players are becoming disenchanted with CCP's heavy-handed approach when dealing with the people who allow CCP to exist!
-the paying players


Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:19:00 - [563]
 

Oooh.... Here's hoping T2 module prices go back up towards pre-invention days, killing people was soooo much more worthwhile back then... YARRRR!!

Jix Star
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:22:00 - [564]
 

As the effects of this exploit are going to be so wide spread with practically every player affected in some way, I would support a reset of TQ.

The entire EvE economy has been ruined by this, makes sense to start again tbh and make it fair for everyone.

Wodanonline
Amarr
Pringles Inc.
No Comment.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:23:00 - [565]
 

so ccp banned all ppl who have been using this exploit for whatever period of time ?

ccp removed any assets/isk gained by this exploit in 4 years ?

i find this very hard to believe.

and what about explaining why it took 4 years to fix something like this.

this is a very small msg for such a big impact to this game.
i think you owe more then that to your PAYING subscribers.

N'irrti
Amarr
Dawn of a new Empire
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:24:00 - [566]
 

Originally by: Gabriel Karade
Oooh.... Here's hoping T2 module prices go back up towards pre-invention days, killing people was soooo much more worthwhile back then... YARRRR!!


and the tears where much more tasty :D

Leakim jones
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:24:00 - [567]
 

Originally by: dyson mesa
Originally by: Leakim jones
Edited by: Leakim jones on 11/12/2008 12:09:31
Originally by: Roemy Schneider
so... you banned a few pos alts...
bravo


Ban their IP, that will get the mains as well Very Happy


yeah, until they got the next one from their ISP Rolling Eyes


Yeah but their main would already be banned. Wink

Johnny Gurkha
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:25:00 - [568]
 

Dear moderators, pls stop being paranoid over sarcastic posts regarding this exploit... censorship is bad mmmkay?

Dear CCP, wtf

Dear alliance leaders, lol

0vermind
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:25:00 - [569]
 

in case you dont get it CCP
cut the voluntary crap that hunt bug and PAY some BUG HUNTERS

breiti
Caldari
The Rising Stars
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.12.11 12:25:00 - [570]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
TQ reset would make the game pretty interesting, everything would be new again, no super cap fleets, no POS in every 0.0 system, no jump bridges, no titans, no jump freighters. Lots of t1 ships. Fair play for all.

What's not to like? Smile



signed. THIS "we all" should think about Shocked


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