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Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:04:00 - [421]
 

Edited by: Kessiaan on 11/12/2008 07:06:35
Edited by: Kessiaan on 11/12/2008 07:04:09
I'm going to reserve judgment until there's an official announcement on this, but I have a hard time believing this has been going on for four years.

... but just in case it has I think I'll stock up on T2 gear now. But still, the whole 'four years' thing, I've only seen one person claiming it and he might just be talking out his ass so he can laugh at everyone going ape****, for all I know.

This whole thread screams Internet Drama to me.

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:06:00 - [422]
 

Originally by: Kessiaan
Edited by: Kessiaan on 11/12/2008 07:04:09
I'm going to reserve judgment until there's an official announcement on this, but I have a hard time believing this has been going on for four years.

... but just in case it has I think I'll stock up on T2 gear now.

This whole thread screams Internet Drama to me.


Because such things never happened before, right?

Anglo
Minmatar
Astral Mexicans
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:06:00 - [423]
 

I demand facts ccp. we the paying customers who play the game THE HARD WAY! demand all questions told!

who was the offenders.
How much isk did they make
Is it true ccp knew this 4 years ago ?
What is being done ?
Is any from ccp invovled ?
Is it true its bob again ? if it is why hasent all bob leeders been banned 2 years ago by now `?

we DEMAND to know these facts.....

Haas Tabris
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:17:00 - [424]
 

Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: royal killer
Everyone got greedy, and when they found out about this exploit, nobody said anythingLaughing

But, 4 whole years....that's like 1460 days and nobody said anything! absurd. (didn't know about this btw.)


Sorry to burst your bubble.

But did you have a look at dys prices BEFORE invention?

Actually there were even free dys moons because it was just not worth to harvest those moons. There were only so few t2 items built compared to the time when invention became possible that the demand for those moon production were just very low.

Invention changed the demand for these things drastically. So you only can really count from this point of time. Before invention those whole moon products were more or less unsellable and worthless.


actually, this is totally true. i tried moon mining before invention and you literally had to know someone who needed the stuff in order to do anything with it. there just was no market for moon materials. even in jita.

so, go back two years and see who was exploiting this. i just wonderin if ccp will do anything...

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:18:00 - [425]
 

This exploit was merely a ploy by CCP to create a 'financial crisis' in EVE, to mirror the real world... This is going to make some really nice headline. ^_^

Blackmarketbaby
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:19:00 - [426]
 

if ccp does the right thing they'll loose subscribers, if they don't they'll loose subscribers. they'll probably loose more subscribers by doing something like resetting the server (the right thing) - on the other hand they'll gain less new subscribers if they don't do the right thing. ccp, you have simply lost - and it's ironic that you bring this upon yourself. eve now reeks of **** and ccp stinks of horse****. all reserved if you give us som ****ING INFORMATION and prove we're wrong and it ain't as bad as many here has come to suspect, but then again, it's probably worse..

PROTOCOL
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:19:00 - [427]
 

Quote:
This is just sick, how many alliances have been funded by this for 4 years while others have been working there asses off to to maintain there outposts


A post on the forums ran by the emotards of this game, by a banned player who is likely retaliating is the only indication of the length of this exploit. They had lot's of ferrogel in their hanger just doesnt cut it as proof. Why don't you wait to see what ccp has to say.

Do all you tin foil hatters think that they can provide an answer right away? This came to light in the middle of the damn night in iceland, you know that place where ccp work and live. This will take an investigation, ccp doesnt have a button they can push to spit out a list like you all want. Sit back, relax and I bet when the facts come out it is nowhere near the scope that this mob mentality has made it out to be. But keep screaming, you all look like fools.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:23:00 - [428]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 11/12/2008 07:23:54
I'm expecting the information we want will come out in the quarterly economic newsletter. After all, he was going to be reporting on the T2 marketplace. I suspect someone looked at the T2 production numbers, realised that 0 + 0 != 1 BILLION ISK, and called the devs in to ask some meaningful questions.

However, why the problem with reactors continuing to produce stuff after the inputs have been shut down wasn't reported as a bug into their bug tracking system (and subsequently fixed), is still cause for concern.

Fixing this bug should bring the market around a little to allow new manufacturers to break in with a lower barrier to entry, at the very least.

edit: As for the billions of ISK accrued through sales of forged/exploited materials, I'm sure the folks who were relying on that ISK for their playstyle will come to miss that income very quickly. They'll have developed a habit for blowing up expensive ships, which will be hard to break.

Etho Demerzel
Gallente
Holy Clan of the Cone
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:24:00 - [429]
 

Originally by: PROTOCOL
Quote:
This is just sick, how many alliances have been funded by this for 4 years while others have been working there asses off to to maintain there outposts


A post on the forums ran by the emotards of this game, by a banned player who is likely retaliating is the only indication of the length of this exploit. They had lot's of ferrogel in their hanger just doesnt cut it as proof. Why don't you wait to see what ccp has to say.

Do all you tin foil hatters think that they can provide an answer right away? This came to light in the middle of the damn night in iceland, you know that place where ccp work and live. This will take an investigation, ccp doesnt have a button they can push to spit out a list like you all want. Sit back, relax and I bet when the facts come out it is nowhere near the scope that this mob mentality has made it out to be. But keep screaming, you all look like fools.


Yes, you are right. Nobody is there, that is why all posts about it are being locked quickly and Wrangler opened this thread.

And it is all probably a fabrication, like the T2 bpos created by T20. Oh wait...

Try again Mr BoB alt.

PROTOCOL
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:28:00 - [430]
 

Edited by: PROTOCOL on 11/12/2008 07:39:48
Quote:
Yes, you are right. Nobody is there, that is why all posts about it are being locked quickly and Wrangler opened this thread.

And it is all probably a fabrication, like the T2 bpos created by T20. Oh wait...

Try again Mr BoB alt.


BoB alt I am not, I can assure you of that. And I missed the part where I said there was no exploit, in fact I clearly stated I think there is one, I disputed the time. I merely indicated that this tardmob, and you genius, should wait till ccp can look at the situation and provide a response. My money is on the recent alchemy changes causing this. Have a nice day!

PS CCP owned up to the t20 thing, albeit in a non-conventional way, additionally, he doesnt even work there anymore, he left recently to pursue his career with a different company.

McFly
Peanut Factory
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:31:00 - [431]
 

If what I've read here, and in other mediums is true, Holy S**t CCP... that's big, I mean at least the t20 thing required a stimulation of the market by pulling in minerals and reactions to build for those T2 Missile BPOs. But this is just ridiculous, I mean this has the potential to break the market, It's been going on so long. Availability of the T2 products that required these materials is going into the drink fast.

T2 Prices will soon skyrocket. I'm just amazed that you allowed this to go on so long, AND YOU KNEW ABOUT IT! I'm not leaving, I'm not quitting, no you guys can't have my stuff, but CCP I am disappointed in you.

Kessiaan
Minmatar
Vagrants Inc
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:45:00 - [432]
 

After careful consideration of the situation, I believe we're being trolled, as I stated in my now-locked thread YARRRR!!.

Some unidentified guy says he got banned for exploiting Ferrogel, then the exact same day Wrangler confirms it. While I don't doubt our mysterious poster did indeed get banned for the exploit Wrangler is talking about, I really, really, REALLY have a hard time believing it went on for four years.

I find it much more believable it's a glitch that was introduced with alchemy and the actual fallout will be minimal once the forum drama dries up.

Mecinea Lua
Minmatar
Galactic Express
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:48:00 - [433]
 

I'm sure CCPs records don't go back 4 years. We were told as much during the t20 crisis when they had to implement new tools to track things. As such we'll never know with 100% certainty that it has gone on that long, however I'm inclined to believe the reports that it has been going on that long.

I do not believe the economic guru should be singled out as a target or that he should be held accountable. In fact the delay in his report could be related to this issue. Perhaps he was working out the numbers and discovered what was should not be possible.

If as reported by members of several alliances and corps that various tickets were sent in reporting this issue over the past few years, then I do believe we need an internal affairs investigation to make certain that no employee of CCP was involved in complacency or outright cover up of this issue. The reports are from such a diverse group of alliances, who are not blue to one another and in some cases actively at war with one another that I tend to believe the reports.

Let's not have another t20 incident. Let's get it out in the open, list all pilots so banned (just by pilot name) along with their corp and alliance tickers. If IA discovers improper actions by CCP employees list them as well.

I only was able to get on for a couple hours yesterday so I didn't see how big this was til tonight. We may well suffer an in game economic collapse. However at the same time this could return profitability to invention for items that currently have not been profitable.


Yakumo Smith
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:49:00 - [434]
 

Thread has been open long enough, time for CCP to put their communication plan in action :-

0. Don't let that bloke from the ghost training debacle post, get Wrangler even if he needs to be pulled out the pub.
1. Reveal news late in the Euro Zone (make people stay ujp late hoping for news, they will underperform at their work the next day and have more important things to worry about)
2. Make thread disappear just before 8am Euro time (use the we aren't hiding it, it's an accident approach)
3. Create a small thread pointing to the "lost thread" 7 hours later.
4. Lock new thread so it looks like no one cares about the issue.
5. Release a patch or unrelated Dev blogs (give details of next expansion early if possible, it keeps them quiet)
6. Wait till the rabble dies down then reveal the old thread again (we have to look transparent you know)

Mr Extra
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:52:00 - [435]
 

I see how this exploit gave some players an unfair advantage where isk meant little to them and using all tech II ships worth billions was of little concern as they could be replaced easily.

HOWEVER - the bigger question is what will the market do w/o the trillions in tech II reaction materials? Everyone remember gas in the US going from 1.49 to 4.29 in a year and a half... guess what happens to all tech II gear if the material prices double in the next month? From tech II drones, to tech II capitals (even the carebear jump freighters) will more than double.

I am not sure the average EVE player is prepaired to loose billion isk ships while doing missions or use 25 mil tech II drones... not to mention a 250 mil Hulk...

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm taking all my hulks and tech II gear off the market this week. I'll be hoarding billions of isk worth of tech II gear and ships that I used to sell until I see what happens in the market.

No CPP we're not going away, but I see a major recession coming to EVE where the average player will loose much of their buying ability due to the 'fixing' of this bug. Check with your economist on the effects of eliminating a cheap resource that everyone relies on to the rest of the economy.

Baske
THE PAROXYSM
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:53:00 - [436]
 

Originally by: Blackmarketbaby
if ccp does the right thing they'll loose subscribers, if they don't they'll loose subscribers. they'll probably loose more subscribers by doing something like resetting the server (the right thing) - on the other hand they'll gain less new subscribers if they don't do the right thing. ccp, you have simply lost - and it's ironic that you bring this upon yourself. eve now reeks of **** and ccp stinks of horse****. all reserved if you give us som ****ING INFORMATION and prove we're wrong and it ain't as bad as many here has come to suspect, but then again, it's probably worse..


Unfortunately, I think you can't be more correct in this observation.

CCP does not dare to fix this problem entirely, as all those people who gained loads from this, will find EVE too hard to play, and eventually quit, because isk isn't flowing into their pockets like water down Niagara falls.

I am pretty sure something is rotten within CCP, or this would have been stopped long ago.

I also think that CCP won't tell us anymore than we could eventually find out ourselves.
Damage control FTL.

I highly doubt they dare do the right and honorable thing. CCP is a company, and a company's foremost interest is profit, nothing else.

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:55:00 - [437]
 

Originally by: Kessiaan
I'm going to reserve judgment until there's an official announcement on this, but I have a hard time believing this has been going on for four years.


The only official announcement you (or anyone) will be getting is the snippet at the start of this thread. Anyone who actually expects more from CCP is deluding themselves.

This company has run roughshod over the playerbase plenty of times before to make me expect anything more from them this time around.

Baske
THE PAROXYSM
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:57:00 - [438]
 

Edited by: Baske on 11/12/2008 08:00:24
Originally by: PROTOCOL
Quote:
This is just sick, how many alliances have been funded by this for 4 years while others have been working there asses off to to maintain there outposts


A post on the forums ran by the emotards of this game, by a banned player who is likely retaliating is the only indication of the length of this exploit. They had lot's of ferrogel in their hanger just doesnt cut it as proof. Why don't you wait to see what ccp has to say.

Do all you tin foil hatters think that they can provide an answer right away? This came to light in the middle of the damn night in iceland, you know that place where ccp work and live. This will take an investigation, ccp doesnt have a button they can push to spit out a list like you all want. Sit back, relax and I bet when the facts come out it is nowhere near the scope that this mob mentality has made it out to be. But keep screaming, you all look like fools.


You sound more guilty than anyone in this thread, trying to stop people from complaining about an issue which most likely has had 10 times more impact on the game than 9/11 had to real life.

Ekram Riz
Minmatar
Wyland-Yutani Corporation
Posted - 2008.12.11 07:59:00 - [439]
 

Edited by: Ekram Riz on 11/12/2008 08:56:19
Originally by: ardik
http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=945053

thread that got locked by the devs, but basically, bob is primarily the ones that have been exploiting this bug


Nice try to spin it.... At least try and post with non-Goon alt, someone might even beleive what you say.Laughing

Word on the street is some of the corporations in Morsus Mihi and Mostly Harmless are part of this. It is also very interesting that Northern Coalition didn't want 20+ high end Deklein moons and they decided to simple let TCF take them all. Who needs moons when you can generate Ferrogel out of thin air?

Pr0Vaporizer
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:01:00 - [440]
 

I agree with the idea that only a tranquility sovereignty and market reset will be the only thing that can undo most of the damage cause by this exploit. Players have been using this to gain an UNFAIR ADVANTAGE for themselves and the corps/alliances they funded, While regular player were forced to fight against a force that had AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE In the four years this has been happening irreversible damage has been done and even those indirectly involved (corp members) have been able to gain unfair advantages.

Some may say a reset is unfair but what about those who have struggled against the large alliances? How many wars and conflicts have been changed due to the near endless flow of cash the exploiting players (and their alliances) held? Resetting just the map wont fix the advantage of advanced implants that exploiters could have used to gain skill quicker than others as well.

Re Mi
Caldari
Funshine Unlimited
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:02:00 - [441]
 

Edited by: Re Mi on 11/12/2008 08:04:31
Originally by: Baske

You sound more guilty than anyone in this thread, trying to stop people from complaining about an issue which most likely has had 10 times more impact on the game than 9/11 had to real life.


The 12/11 scandal?

*edit
Ironically, this is the last day of my sub.

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:04:00 - [442]
 

word on the street is the buses are ****.

Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:05:00 - [443]
 

Alright, so be it. I'll step in and raise a few of my concerns regarding this.

---

First and foremost, I have some questions I want answered. No, actually, I demand answers. Politely demand, but demand none the less. The following simply MUST be answered.

Question To CCP #1:
Is it true that you knew of this exploit roughly 4 years ago? If so- why did it take you so long to react to this exploit?

Question To CCP #2:
Roughly how many accounts have been banned?

Question To CCP #3:
What alliances were involved? Name & shame. No alliance should be let 'off the hook' so to speak. They exploited the game to unprecedented proportions and should suffer the consequences.

Question To CCP #4:
I think it's pretty obvious to everybody now that this exploit, over the years, has funded an untold number of 0.0 outposts, POS's, capitals, super-capitals, and perhaps more than that. How do you plan to deal with this?

Question To CCP #5:
You altered the price history for many items on TQ. This has, without a doubt, hurt your player-base. We are literally paying for the actions of a few. We're being punished. We're losing ISK. We're losing time. You have seriously hurt us by altering the markets in the fashion you did. How do you intend to make this up to us, the players?

Question To CCP #6:
This exploit, if used to the proportions being suggested, has surely had an effect on 0.0 politics. If wars have been won because of this exploit, how do you plan to address it? Will alliances be punished? Please clarify this ASAP.

---

I don't have any further questions at this time.

PROTOCOL
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:05:00 - [444]
 

Quote:
You sound more guilty than anyone in this thread, trying to stop people from complaining about an issue which has most likely has had 10 times more impact on the game than 9/11 had to real life.


You sir are certainly entitled to have an opinion on my opinion.

As far as your referencing internet spaceships to an incident that cost thousands of lives and had a reaching and lasting global economic impact. Dd the world a favor, buy a bullet and rent a gun, short of that get fixed so your dumb ass can't reproduce for making what is quite possible the stupidist comment I may have seen on these boards in my 5 years.

rValdez5987
Amarr
Imperial Guard.
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:06:00 - [445]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
We have discovered an exploit involving starbases that made it possible for some players to gain an unfair advantage over others. We have taken measures to address this by removing the starbases used in the exploit. Additionally, assets gained from its use have been seized and bans levied against the players involved. We will continue to monitor the game for issues such as this one. We encourage players to create a petition if become aware of any activities which may permit others to gain an unfair advantage in the game.

Update by Customer Support:

On December 7th 2008, a date which will live in infamy, a petition from a concerned player alerted us to a serious problem with Starbase reactors. The petition had been filed five days earlier, a far longer waiting time than we can accept with our current queue status and we have now taken measures to fix that. We immediately started investigating the issue and found that there was indeed a problem and that it was being exploited to gain unfair advantages.

We discovered seven corporations with multiple Starbases set up for the express purpose of exploiting the issue. Three of those corporations were members of two alliances. We took immediate action against the offenders and banned over 70 accounts and destroyed all the Starbases run by the corporations in question. All the offending corporations are now effectively inactive as a result of our actions.

The corporations were producing high end materials for T2 production. Working with the Research & Statistics team we have established that the effects on the markets have been considerable and far reaching. The effects of our actions against the exploiters will also be felt on the market as the production of the materials has been cut substantially. However, supply should increase again once players have mastered the alchemy process.

We are still conducting operations to deal with this matter and we will keep you posted on the progress and results as things develop.

Update: This matter will be brought up at a CSM and CCP meeting this upcoming weekend.


I just wanted to add a bit of irony.

In the real world money has literally disappeared with financial's and banking disappearing or otherwise going bankrupt.

Now in eve, trillons of isk are supposedly gained through exploitation.

Luckily for us, no matter what the situation is in the markets, there will always be a base income until CCP changes it. There will always be missions to run.

Glasyra
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:08:00 - [446]
 

Fanfest we talked about issues with making money with moon mins, the margins were small to nonexistant on almost everything and as a non exploiter doing the moon stuff for almost 6 months, I think I ended up with 2bil total. Keep in mind I carrier rated to get the money to buy a rorqual in about a month so the amount of work I put in to make T2 equipment components was HUGE and after a while, not worth it. (cost of time != value)

I had 4 large, 3 med, and a host of small towers going mind you, I was lucky to see much profit after I counted the time spent making it work.

What really gets me is the fact people were geting mins for free while I had to do it the hard way, basicly stealing from the honest producers.

If anything the prices should go through the roof, real people will have to actully make the stuff now, if anything the exploit wasent limited to ferogel eather, apperntly anything would have duped (I wont say how its done) Ferogel was just the one that got found out.

Resetgun
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:18:00 - [447]
 

It is very hard to believe that CCP missed bug of this scale frakking 4 years!!!!

... and I don't believe single second that they would have seized ALL goods gained from this bug. If they would seize all - entire economy would be fubared by now.

destinationZERO
Minmatar
Pain Management Services
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:20:00 - [448]
 

Edited by: destinationZERO on 11/12/2008 08:20:35
Originally by: Resetgun
It is very hard to believe that CCP missed bug of this scale frakking 4 years!!!!




Keep in mind CCP missed out on a 'bug' of ghost training for 5 years, which was a widely known and used by the eve community...

/me wonders what else is hiding in those POS mechanics... I'm pretty sure there's more interesting stuff to come :)

Bodhisattvas
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:23:00 - [449]
 

Originally by: Baske
Edited by: Baske on 11/12/2008 08:00:24
Originally by: PROTOCOL
Quote:
This is just sick, how many alliances have been funded by this for 4 years while others have been working there asses off to to maintain there outposts


A post on the forums ran by the emotards of this game, by a banned player who is likely retaliating is the only indication of the length of this exploit. They had lot's of ferrogel in their hanger just doesnt cut it as proof. Why don't you wait to see what ccp has to say.

Do all you tin foil hatters think that they can provide an answer right away? This came to light in the middle of the damn night in iceland, you know that place where ccp work and live. This will take an investigation, ccp doesnt have a button they can push to spit out a list like you all want. Sit back, relax and I bet when the facts come out it is nowhere near the scope that this mob mentality has made it out to be. But keep screaming, you all look like fools.


You sound more guilty than anyone in this thread, trying to stop people from complaining about an issue which most likely has had 10 times more impact on the game than 9/11 had to real life.



Time out you muppet !! how could you even imagine the impact of 9/11 and even dare to disrespect the people that died in comparing it
to a bloody game economy. You and the rest of the emotards whinging about nothing need a reality check. **** really does
happen and if your virual empire is destroyed because of whatever get over it! play another game or something!!

Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Heretic Army
B A N E
Posted - 2008.12.11 08:23:00 - [450]
 

Hmm, why all this panic about a game economy collapsing, I mean someone can just edit a few database fields and our spaceships need half the materials to build if there is any real problems with shortages.

Interesting times if you were quick enough to place your bet in the market game, might win or lose a fortune Wink


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