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Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:13:00 - [301]
 

Those crazy Icelanders

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:14:00 - [302]
 

Edited by: Kulmid on 11/12/2008 02:16:48
Originally by: Ima Alt
Originally by: Lady Oracle
Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also
In Domain, numbers aren't merely missing, they've been altered to make it appear that the ferrogel panic never took place.

Evidence of lots of people's profits have been neatly taken off the books, no muss no fuss.

It now reports that there was 512,002 volume with a maximum price of 27,000. The lowest sell order in the region right now is above that.


I'm assuming that's because this has just taken place, market data will update to reflect this at downtime. Unless I'm missing something.

Ja'Anarria
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:18:00 - [303]
 

Edited by: Ja''Anarria on 11/12/2008 15:56:20
What CCP didn't say is that they've used their banhammer widely, and banned accounts and players who were in any way associated with the exploits, whether it was to their knowledge or not. I hope that they'll consider the petitions that some honest folk are submitting, and consider innocent until proven guilty as at least a possible guideline in these proceedings, especially given the gross negligence on CCP's part in letting this go for so long.

This needs to be discussed widely, with all the facts in public. If CCP decides to try to control this conversation and the information around it, that would truly be a shame. A damn, dirty, facist shame.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

...

Yaay
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:21:00 - [304]
 

Edited by: Yaay on 11/12/2008 02:43:05
removed

Bodhisattvas
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:21:00 - [305]
 

Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 11/12/2008 02:22:05
Originally by: Ghoest
Utterly massive cheating and CCP wont even tell the players the scope of it.

But then did you expect anything else.

This is supposed to be an economic game and the economy is a manipulated joke.


YI ****ing WHAT!!! Shut ya faeces ya big ****ing carebear !! Razz
Its an internet spaceship game with many possibilities of stabbing folk in the face wiv pointy spaceships !!!
economics is for the charlatans of rl.


Now you gone and broke **** ccp !!!! Shocked

GateScout
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:22:00 - [306]
 

Originally by: Spathi
Originally by: Tarron Sarek
That reads as a yes to me.


Which just proves it doesn't matter what anyone says (with or without proof) you'll still not believe anything bob says. CCP has said they removed all the exploiting pos already, our pos are still up and working (go check!) which proves they weren't exploiting. Since you wont believe that you'll just claim ccp allowed us to keep them. Which proves my point nicely :)


"There are no American tanks in Baghdad!"

Is that you Baghdad Bob?

Very Happy

Kahrek Laume
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:22:00 - [307]
 

Wow, now the EVE economy truly emulates the real world markets.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:22:00 - [308]
 

So suddenly a lot of infinite-ISK folks have disappeared from the demand side of the GTC market. That's good news for the limited-ISK folks like me!

How long will it take the stockpiles of reaction products to disappear? I wonder if this is why the quarterly economic newsletter was delayed?


Solomon XI
Hidden Souls
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:24:00 - [309]
 

Ok, so I don't know exactly what happened. The best I can gather was there was/is an exploit with moon mining. That this exploit was used by several individuals and three of the most powerful alliances in-game (I can think of one which is not unknown to controversy).

I want to know the extent of the damage. Will this cause Tech-II prices to skyrocket? Will tech-II manufacturing become even more viable than it is now? What are the pros/cons?

Ima Alt
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:24:00 - [310]
 

Originally by: Kulmid
Edited by: Kulmid on 11/12/2008 02:16:48
Originally by: Ima Alt
Originally by: Lady Oracle
Placid is missing numbers on Ferrogel also
In Domain, numbers aren't merely missing, they've been altered to make it appear that the ferrogel panic never took place.

Evidence of lots of people's profits have been neatly taken off the books, no muss no fuss.

It now reports that there was 512,002 volume with a maximum price of 27,000. The lowest sell order in the region right now is above that.


I'm assuming that's because this has just taken place, market data will update to reflect this at downtime. Unless I'm missing something.

Well, the fact that these prices were correctly reporting before, are altered rather than just blanked, and only affect advanced moon minerals that were a part of today's panic seems to rule out a glitch. Well it does unless you are a total coincidence theorist.

Fact is, you had an exploit that benefited certain parties greatly followed up by an alteration of historical data that again benefited the same parties. The guys who were doing these exploits weren't throwing up POSes with their mains - they used alts. Those alts are now banned, but the fruits of their exploitation could well be in the hands of the mains, who AGAIN, benefited from today's market panic.

With the change to market histories, it was like all the crazy buying and selling today never took place. Some real life money was made in Eve, today, and CCP seems to be covering somebody's tracks.

Apaco lypse
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:25:00 - [311]
 

haha usa economy sucks soo bad that we pulled down eve's MUWHAHAHAALaughing

Marco P
Really Nice And Laidback Corporation
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:27:00 - [312]
 

Originally by: Kahrek Laume
Wow, now the EVE economy truly emulates the real world markets.


Does that mean now is a good time to buy property in Jita?

Fifinella
Caldari
Nosferatu Security Foundation
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:27:00 - [313]
 

Edited by: Fifinella on 11/12/2008 02:30:43
Originally by: Ima Alt
Yeah, they claim to be out of the office and unable to comment on the issue, but they have plenty of time to tamper with price histories. Also, lots of manpower availiable to lock all the threads in general except the one where all the fanboys and BoB pets come out to suck up.


Sheesh, calm down. It's midnight in Iceland, you think their board of directors is sitting in their office, business as usual, at that hour?

The forum moderators have shifts to cover 24/7, but the actual working people in the corporation might have normal working hours. Which doesn't mean being at the office at midnight.

And are they tampering with the price histories _now_, or did they do it during business hours? You obviously know. I don't.

Edit: Oops, it's actually past 2 AM in Iceland now, the forum clock's on their time.

BloodyWomble
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:28:00 - [314]
 

Originally by: Marco P
Originally by: Kahrek Laume
Wow, now the EVE economy truly emulates the real world markets.


Does that mean now is a good time to buy property in Jita?


Not really they'll do what they did in california and burn it down to the ground and blame it on forest fires
and just claim on the insurance.

Szent AdamKiraly
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:29:00 - [315]
 

4 years?

Hang on,

4 years?!

Well i ****ing lol'd.

Ima Alt
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:29:00 - [316]
 

Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:29:58
Originally by: Fifinella
And are they tampering with the price histories _now_, or did they do it during business hours? You obviously know. I don't.
It happened about an hour and a half ago. Many people were watching the markets due to the advanced moon mineral panic that now apparently didn't happen.

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:30:00 - [317]
 

Originally by: Ima Alt
Well, the fact that these prices were correctly reporting before, are altered rather than just blanked, and only affect advanced moon minerals that were a part of today's panic seems to rule out a glitch. Well it does unless you are a total coincidence theorist.


I don't think there is any incorrect pricing going on here. The first thing I did when I saw this thread is log on my Jita alt to buy up all the cheap advanced materials I could. Unfortunately, it seems I had already been beaten to the punch. This is all I think is happening right now, everyone is buying it up to hold on to it till it becomes a bit more expensive. No hiding market data, no cover ups. It just simply is not visible on the market history as it has occurred in the last 5 hours.

Elisa Day
Shade.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:30:00 - [318]
 

Originally by: Tobin Shalim
BIG THING:


It's not just the ferrogel!!! It's ALL of the adv. moon materials. Seriously, go check out each and every single one. At least in Forge region, it's done for all of 'em, probably everywhere else too.


It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.

So it could be 1. CONSPIRACY or 2. Completely normal market history glitch that happens almost every day.

Kulmid
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:33:00 - [319]
 

Edited by: Kulmid on 11/12/2008 02:33:59
Originally by: Ima Alt
It happened about an hour and a half ago. Many people were watching the markets due to the advanced moon mineral panic that now apparently didn't happen.


What happened? Do you have before this so called cover up, and after? All I see is a bunch of people buying up what they now consider to be cheap Advanced Materials, and are already beginning to resell them. Prices for Ferrogel have come down 2.5k in the last 2 hours alone.

Apaco lypse
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:35:00 - [320]
 

Originally by: Elisa Day
Originally by: Tobin Shalim
BIG THING:


It's not just the ferrogel!!! It's ALL of the adv. moon materials. Seriously, go check out each and every single one. At least in Forge region, it's done for all of 'em, probably everywhere else too.


It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.

So it could be 1. CONSPIRACY or 2. Completely normal market history glitch that happens almost every day.

it's every t2 item including ships

Ghoest
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:36:00 - [321]
 

Originally by: Bodhisattvas
Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 11/12/2008 02:22:05
Originally by: Ghoest
Utterly massive cheating and CCP wont even tell the players the scope of it.

But then did you expect anything else.

This is supposed to be an economic game and the economy is a manipulated joke.


YI ****ing WHAT!!! Shut ya faeces ya big ****ing carebear !! Razz
Its an internet spaceship game with many possibilities of stabbing folk in the face wiv pointy spaceships !!!
economics is for the charlatans of rl.


Now you gone and broke **** ccp !!!! Shocked



Noob doesnt realize 5 ships beats 1 ship.

Ima Alt
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:37:00 - [322]
 

Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:38:40

mishkof
Caldari
Dirty Denizens
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:39:00 - [323]
 

Please give us more details CCP.

It will be a good read and will go well with my corn flakes tomorrow morning.




Solostrom
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:40:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: Ima Alt
Edited by: Ima Alt on 11/12/2008 02:38:40



Market panic in full effect!

Ima Alt
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:41:00 - [325]
 

Originally by: Elisa Day
It's also all minerals, PLEX and some T2 modules, just from checking my market quick bar.
Wrong.

Bodhisattvas
0utbreak
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:42:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
Edited by: Bodhisattvas on 11/12/2008 02:22:05
Originally by: Ghoest
Utterly massive cheating and CCP wont even tell the players the scope of it.

But then did you expect anything else.

This is supposed to be an economic game and the economy is a manipulated joke.


YI ****ing WHAT!!! Shut ya faeces ya big ****ing carebear !! Razz
Its an internet spaceship game with many possibilities of stabbing folk in the face wiv pointy spaceships !!!
economics is for the charlatans of rl.


Now you gone and broke **** ccp !!!! Shocked



Noob doesnt realize 5 ships beats 1 ship.


Taking this long to reply to my post makes anything you care to say purely irrelevant.

Oh for gods sake shirley nothing you say is relevant Rolling Eyes

Talsha Talamar
Amarr
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:42:00 - [327]
 

Edited by: Talsha Talamar on 11/12/2008 02:42:34
Yep, when I checked Ferrogel in the Domain,
I looked at the Fermionic Condensate data and
a few other random advanced materials as well,
to check for a pattern that would make a database issue likely,
yet did not find similar irregularities as with Ferrogel.
Else I would not have posted it :)

Ima Alt
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:43:00 - [328]
 

Fermionic Condensates have also had price histories altered to make it appear that a price spike never occurred.

Tobin Shalim
Eclipse Industrials
Quantum Forge
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:45:00 - [329]
 

As I said, this holds true for all advanced moon materials (at least).

Ima Alt
Posted - 2008.12.11 02:48:00 - [330]
 

I had heard stories about organized crime being involved in virtual property sales, but until today, I didn't pay them much heed..


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