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CCP Explorer

Posted - 2008.12.09 20:52:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Threv Echandari
Snowball Launchers and a good supply of snowballs would be nice too
We worked on client performance improvements and all you wanted was snow?

Lorq vonRay
More-Cowbell
Posted - 2008.12.09 21:00:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Threv Echandari
Snowball Launchers and a good supply of snowballs would be nice too
We worked on client performance improvements and all you wanted was snow?
technically isnt that your job?

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2008.12.09 21:01:00 - [123]
 


Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.12.09 21:12:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
We worked on client performance improvements and all you wanted was snow?
*nods* Yes please :)
Also, the items in this list, directly to my hangar. Kthx.

NereSky
Gallente
RETRIBUTIONS.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2008.12.09 21:54:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: NereSky on 09/12/2008 21:55:44
As grateful as i am for the fixes that are aimed at being installed before xmas etc honestly i am, but calling this a Xmas pressie is sort of err well pants tbh, if it was completed after xmas would it have been called a New yr pressie or if it was completed at easter a easter pressie?

maybe if we look back at all ur past fixes and call them presents we are infact paying for gifts which in turn presents a question why are we paying for a gift

Laughing

Come on CCP spread that Xmas cheer and do summat - temporarily put a Xmas tree up in Jita and get the Devs to gather round it singing 'Rudolph the red nose reindeer' or summat anything just recognise its Xmas and do summat unusual or differantQuestion

suppose next time the council are repairing the road outside my house blocking the street and my driveway i should stop and think hey its a present i should be lucky :)

LordRyan77
Gallente
Posted - 2008.12.09 22:38:00 - [126]
 

I've only been playing for 3 months, is this down time stuff a regular thing?
I run 3 accounts so 24 hours down time is 72 hours I'm being short changed. Maybe I just picked a bad time to join eve.


As far as all the people complaing about nerfs(whatever that means), as a general rule you should never do business with anyone for more than 2 years. After 2 years a business will increase cost(price), while taking away services(features). UsSualy perferred to as "A better product". Translated that means lower quality for a higher price. Not saying this is what CCP is doing. But it's standard operating procedure in the U.S.

All that being said, I LOVE EVE!

StainLessStealRat
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.12.09 22:53:00 - [127]
 

other MMO's get bounus content once we got snowball launchers and santa's.
This time yo give us an off line server for the same reson 3 times in a row. what is easter a bonus day of an offline server?

Pooka
Caldari
United Space Aillance USA
Posted - 2008.12.09 23:15:00 - [128]
 

Laughing
Anything is much better then leaving it in the hands of kieron, tomB and T20's again.Crying or Very sad

thank you ccp

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all..Very Happy

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.12.09 23:35:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: WARTECH ASSASSIN
As I understand it, the patch mainly consists of options to improve "performance" of the eve client. "Performance" in terms of frames per second and load time. However, may I suggest that there be an option to have the disable/enable process automatic instead of having to manually set it on or off.

An example of making the eve client's graphics engine more intuitive and having an "auto" option possible would be by having it monitor its own fps and grid loads so that it will automatically disable turret and drone models, and/or explosions when fps drops or grid loading delays. By giving the process automated options it would make the game balance itself between aesthetics and performance intelligently.

Big fleet fight = press esc, disable stuff
Normal Play/ big fleet fight done = press esc, re-enable stuff for nice aesthetics

Make it automatic. If not in this patch then in the next one perhaps? Thanks CCP.



this is a great idea. That or at least a new short cut, like crlt-A for awesome, that disables ALL OF IT, all at once. anything to make it so I don't have to bring up the command window. but yeah automacic would be better because not all players will know of these changes.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.12.09 23:38:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: LordRyan77
I've only been playing for 3 months, is this down time stuff a regular thing?
I run 3 accounts so 24 hours down time is 72 hours I'm being short changed. Maybe I just picked a bad time to join eve.


As far as all the people complaing about nerfs(whatever that means), as a general rule you should never do business with anyone for more than 2 years. After 2 years a business will increase cost(price), while taking away services(features). UsSualy perferred to as "A better product". Translated that means lower quality for a higher price. Not saying this is what CCP is doing. But it's standard operating procedure in the U.S.

All that being said, I LOVE EVE!


well think of it more as YOUR service will be taken away. New people will get benfits, but the longer you stay, the more of what you thought was good will go away or become wrose.

However, tell that to the ammar players Very Happy

Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
Posted - 2008.12.09 23:43:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Rame cris
i think they missed a bug.... Missiles, since they hit like a School girl throwing a Wet spunge now instead of a rock, or a brick like they use to!!!!

SadSadSadSad

Fix missiles PLEASE.... or remove them and refund the SP


Missiles are the new snowballs. Laughing

ATOM ANT
Posted - 2008.12.10 01:50:00 - [132]
 

(We worked on client performance improvements and all you wanted was snow?)

Ummm well not just snow exactly... Twisted Evil

Gstomp20
Out of Order
Posted - 2008.12.10 01:56:00 - [133]
 

Thanks for the patch, though I must agree it is part of CCP's duty to repair known bugs in a timely fashion which is included in the fee that all players pay. I'd like to touch on a few things here that I along with probably quite a great many other pilots have come across since the QR inception with some 'pretty pleases' thrown in for good measure.

1. Shifty Overview/Station Services

This is the most god awful annoying thing in EVE ever. Every time you dock in a station, the game will resize your overview and move it to either the top or bottom of your screen and resize the station services at the same time forcing you to correct this action repeatedly. Is it fixed?

2. Opening another players 'show info' screen makes EVE cry

I'm not sure exactly when this started to occur, but I don't even want to look at other people now since it causes severe lag for about 10-15 seconds while it strains to open, far worse if you are in space doing something. Is it fixed?

3. Clone jumping freezes your client or fools you into thinking you lost your implants

You mentioned an 'error' in the patch notes, but I have jumped a few times with different toons and one of two things above happened every time. Either the client just crapped out, or when I arrived in my new clone it stated my implants were gone, and my training time was extended accordingly. I actually bought new +4's and tried to install them only to be told 'You cannot install an implant to a slot that is already taken'. Explatives insued. Is it fixed?

4. Undocking after a successful clone jump in your ship offlines your modules

Another odd occurrence, your modules would show as online in the station, but once you undocked would display as greyed out and 'offline'. When trying to online them in space you will be met with the error 'Module already online' thus if it was a sensor booster or an activatable module of the like you would be unable to use it at all. Sometimes you could relog several times and it would fix itself, more often then not however a petition had to be sent in. Is it fixed?

5. CCP Hates ISK sellers

Oh really? You already know that the low sec macro-ers who sit in the same systems 23/7 and farm the crap out of those said systems in their Raven's programmed to cloak whenever local increases by 1 are the main contributors to this so called epidemic? When are you going to make it impossible to fit a cloak on a Battleship? Give the real players the power to find, and destroy these perpetuators of the thing you claim unbalances the game most. Let them log, but don't let them cloak.

6. When the Nerf bat makes contact, it's out of the park.

As someone else so eloquently stated previously in this thread, Missles are the new snowball. Let's say, oh, un-nerf them a tad so us Caldari pilots don't feel like we would be better served to get out of our ships and throw toothpicks at opposing enemy vessels for damage. Please?

7. March 2009 Customizable ships

Don't pre-Nerf these, please. You did this with the Heavy Interdictor's and the Black Ops ships which are really overpriced Battlecruisers and Battleships with no practical uses. I'll give the Hictor some credit, it is awesome in Hi-Sec warfare but in 0.0 which is where it's supposed to be) you are flying a death trap. The Black Ops is an awesome idea, but it is a weak ship with horrible scan res, and you know you will be primary anyhow so flying one into a fight is not even a consideration. I use mine for mission running, thats about all I feel comfortable doing with a 550mil ISK cyno-able Battleship.

This is running long...so apologies for the book, i'm just stating what I have experienced and heard since the QR inception. Maybe you agree, maybe you don't. Replies? Flames? Comments?

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2008.12.10 02:16:00 - [134]
 

Very nice content, nice to get it before holidays. But I see that CCP still hasn't taken their customer relation classes.

Yes you've done a good job on the game. Yes the patch is fine and dandy. Yes it's great that you (finally) add more and more options to turn off/on things, it adds for diversity and makes the player feel he/she can configure the game they want.

But you still havn't learned to stop talk bullcrap. This is not a Christmas *gift*. This is you guys being lucky/working extra hard to put something out before Christmas. A gift would've been to put in a mindless toy, like snowballs. A treat would've been to give us something we didn't expect.

This that you bring, we a) expected, b) you would've delivered sooner or later anyway, if you worked harder to put it out faster, it brings new variables on the table. b1) could we demand that you speed things up when necessary fixes/patches come in the future, or was this a one timer? then b1.1 kicks in) was this the very patch you wanted more than anything to come out in short notice?, or b2) so you'll be starting to deliver certain patches faster, speeding up the finalizing stages of testing, doing more throughout work in earlier stages perhaps, etc? Then this is even less of a gift, it's rather just an indication of the future of this game.

Keep up the good work CCP, I love this game, my multiple accounts will keep promoting this wonderful job. But seriously, you need to hire customer relations people. Like, very very very very badly. I thought you learned in the poor handling of t20, ghost training fix, etc. This is your weak spot, and ironicly, you seem to ignore it as well.

Either way, thanks for some good work, enjoy your holidays! See you in space. Razz

Syanidix
Amarr
Finnish Industry and Manufacturing Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.10 07:17:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Misanth
Very nice content, nice to get it before holidays. But I see that CCP still hasn't taken their customer relation classes.

Yes you've done a good job on the game. Yes the patch is fine and dandy. Yes it's great that you (finally) add more and more options to turn off/on things, it adds for diversity and makes the player feel he/she can configure the game they want.

But you still havn't learned to stop talk bullcrap. This is not a Christmas *gift*. This is you guys being lucky/working extra hard to put something out before Christmas. A gift would've been to put in a mindless toy, like snowballs. A treat would've been to give us something we didn't expect.

This that you bring, we a) expected, b) you would've delivered sooner or later anyway, if you worked harder to put it out faster, it brings new variables on the table. b1) could we demand that you speed things up when necessary fixes/patches come in the future, or was this a one timer? then b1.1 kicks in) was this the very patch you wanted more than anything to come out in short notice?, or b2) so you'll be starting to deliver certain patches faster, speeding up the finalizing stages of testing, doing more throughout work in earlier stages perhaps, etc? Then this is even less of a gift, it's rather just an indication of the future of this game.

Keep up the good work CCP, I love this game, my multiple accounts will keep promoting this wonderful job. But seriously, you need to hire customer relations people. Like, very very very very badly. I thought you learned in the poor handling of t20, ghost training fix, etc. This is your weak spot, and ironicly, you seem to ignore it as well.

Either way, thanks for some good work, enjoy your holidays! See you in space. Razz


Agree everything wot u just said :) MERRY X-MAS

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.12.10 08:19:00 - [136]
 

FFS. All you whiners go on about about your free 'gift' as though CCP actually owe you a gift of some sort.

If this patch does all the things it says it will then I for one consider this the best patch EVER. Since Quantum was released my enjoyment of the game has decreased as I cant play for long without re-starting the game because of the damn leaking. Cant run missions, cant pvp, cant mine.
For me, this patch is the most important Eve gift possible. It means I can start playing again.
Before the whiners get in and start telling me that these problems shouldnt have 'been' in the first place, this Quantum expansion is the only time a patch has made my game unplayable. I want to play again. Hopefully now I can. Happy Xmas me!!
As for anything else concerning 'gifts', i'll take what-ever they give but if they give me nothing i'll be just as happy.

Well done CCP for addressing these issues and making it count before the holiday season begins. TY for giving me my game back (hopefully).


Lillandra Peregrine
Posted - 2008.12.10 08:32:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Threv Echandari
Snowball Launchers and a good supply of snowballs would be nice too
We worked on client performance improvements and all you wanted was snow?


erm.. yes to both ..? Laughing

it is christmas...

Darth Gus
Amarr
Total Holdings Corporation
Posted - 2008.12.10 09:04:00 - [138]
 

I just have to ask...

Was the mission "Buzz Kill" part of the Need for Speed initiative too? Really? Generating over 100 frigate and destroyer wrecks per mission?!?

If that's indicative of your sense of dedication to improved performance, it's not just your customer relations that lands in the "ignorant" category.

And yes, I'm of the opinion that squashing client-side latency and lag issues is, in fact, part of your job. It's like if the evening news anchors told their audience "Merry Christmas, our gift to you is news about the ongoing world economic crisis!"

---
Darth Gus
One Terribly Dissatisfied
Soon to Be Former Customer

Tuberider
Pothouse Cartel
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.12.10 09:48:00 - [139]
 

i have too say screw the speed patch,
we wants snowballs back YARRRR!!

Dawn Black
Posted - 2008.12.10 10:51:00 - [140]
 

Lolz at patch notes... And that is it???

How about for once taking a look and the imensely huge bug list with bugs which are there for years and nothing has been done to fix them???

Jed Clampett
Posted - 2008.12.10 10:52:00 - [141]
 

First let me say CCP programmers are real heroes to get stuff done in the limited down times CCP has. The programmers are obviously top notch. But...the CCP Xmas present I think most of us want is a better QA and testing workshop at CCP.

As someone in the computer biz CCP cannot bluff me. The CCP QA program is in trouble. We should be able to download client as soon as downtime starts for patch. Patches should not actually still be in final development as appears so often is the case at CCP. Sure problems requiring last second fixes before release happen on rare occasion to everyone. But at CCP it seems to be standard practice.

The fact that you are always needing to change the client during patch downtime is bad. It tells me your test server setups suck in major way. They just are not close enough to the real hardware for complete testing -- apparently not even in the broadest sense. I suspect you cannot really test any of the communication performance aspects until you have the real hardware offline from regular usage. I suspect you have problems simulating actual node to node communication and database look up performance for the servers as well. It should be obvious to whoever is in charge of QA and testing that virtual machine setups and virtual nodes simulations have limited fidelity for complex hardware farms. Virtual just doesn't have matching hardware speed constraints and often not even the actual protocol conversions and constraints.

Either that or your Development & QA planning and execution sucks. I am going to be nice and assume upgrades to the real MMO software and hardware completely outpaces having something even roughly similar for testing.

The part were bugs show up that require addressing a few days or week later is so much not a problem. Although given how well CCP programmers do under the current situation, I suspect we would hardly ever see those days or week later fixes -- if CCP testing and QA was working.

Sure the QA and test servers have to be smaller and cheaper than the real setup in this economy. But good QA cannot just some desktops doing double duty or a single retired realtime MMO server node running a ton of virtual machines intended to simulate the key roles from the real hardware setup. A realtime MMO screams for a QA and testing workbench with the performance of all parts scaled down in the same proportions and running the same protocols and using software operating on the same algorithms where possible. Even if implemented on multiple pieces of older equipment . Sometimes buying the workgroup/smaller business version of the load balancer is cheap enough and worthwhile. Sometimes you can only running a rigged Linux box to simulate the timing and output of various devices and server in the real server farm.

Athaka Jamo
Posted - 2008.12.10 10:52:00 - [142]
 

Awesome, it's always great news to hear that further optimizations are being done. Also, I think it's a little too early to be asking for presents guys Wink, I'm sure CCP has something in the pressure cooker right now anyways that may be more exciting than snowballs (I know, it is hard to believe that something can be more awesome than snowballs); who knows though. Thumbs up on the patch however Very Happy.

Dawn Black
Posted - 2008.12.10 10:52:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: annoing
FFS. All you whiners go on about about your free 'gift' as though CCP actually owe you a gift of some sort.

If this patch does all the things it says it will then I for one consider this the best patch EVER. Since Quantum was released my enjoyment of the game has decreased as I cant play for long without re-starting the game because of the damn leaking. Cant run missions, cant pvp, cant mine.
For me, this patch is the most important Eve gift possible. It means I can start playing again.
Before the whiners get in and start telling me that these problems shouldnt have 'been' in the first place, this Quantum expansion is the only time a patch has made my game unplayable. I want to play again. Hopefully now I can. Happy Xmas me!!
As for anything else concerning 'gifts', i'll take what-ever they give but if they give me nothing i'll be just as happy.

Well done CCP for addressing these issues and making it count before the holiday season begins. TY for giving me my game back (hopefully).




Maybe you should give yourself a gift by upgrading your computer...

Jed Clampett
Posted - 2008.12.10 10:55:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: ATOM ANT
(We worked on client performance improvements and all you wanted was snow?)

Ummm well not just snow exactly... Twisted Evil



Yellow snow missiles this year.

Dantin Jah
Posted - 2008.12.10 11:03:00 - [145]
 

I want a puppy for Christmas.

Jake McCord
Minmatar
McCord Industries
Terran Commonwealth
Posted - 2008.12.10 11:05:00 - [146]
 

Edited by: Jake McCord on 10/12/2008 11:05:29
1. The improvements to client performance are greatly appreciated by me.

2. The nerfing of missiles in the QR "upgrade" is not.

3. I don't know about anyone else, but for those of us who have 2+ accounts, ghost training was a vital, financial necessity. If we can't have it back, then I will have to drop my 2nd account. And believe me, this truly sucks.

Jed Clampett
Posted - 2008.12.10 11:05:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Athaka Jamo
Awesome, it's always great news to hear that further optimizations are being done. Also, I think it's a little too early to be asking for presents guys Wink, I'm sure CCP has something in the pressure cooker right now anyways that may be more exciting than snowballs (I know, it is hard to believe that something can be more awesome than snowballs); who knows though. Thumbs up on the patch however Very Happy.


You mean the Sansha faction will have new Claus and Reindeer class rats? They'll drop sweet loot!

Oh I'll be singing a slaying song if its true.

Jed Clampett
Posted - 2008.12.10 11:13:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Jake McCord
Edited by: Jake McCord on 10/12/2008 11:05:29
1. The improvements to client performance are greatly appreciated by me.

2. The nerfing of missiles in the QR "upgrade" is not.

3. I don't know about anyone else, but for those of us who have 2+ accounts, ghost training was a vital, financial necessity. If we can't have it back, then I will have to drop my 2nd account. And believe me, this truly sucks.


Do a financial report showing how you and all your buds who used ghost training were paying 1.4 accounts per year effectively and now drop to flat 1 account.

But honestly? I think CCP saw ghost training as the fast path to a web of accounts that produced enough ISK that serious users stopped paying the main active account altogether using GTC off the market. That is CCP saw ghost training as quickly leading to 0.4 accounts actually paying real money.

Of course CCP might have analyzed that wrong. But CCP does have the IPs, email addresses, and real payments versus GTC codes of all those accounts to weighn and you don't. I suspect they know more about the business than any one user or small group of users.

Jed Clampett
Posted - 2008.12.10 11:20:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Dawn Black
Lolz at patch notes... And that is it???

How about for once taking a look and the imensely huge bug list with bugs which are there for years and nothing has been done to fix them???


No please don't. I want a stable well-performing client for a while. The more bugs they actually address the more chance the client or servers stop performing well. Laughing

Actually I am sure they have a prioritized list for when they get past the performance issues. And as long as they solve those bugs a few at a time....Wink

On the other hand, some bugs have been around so long that lots of people will cry "nerf" and sob inconsolably. Twisted Evil

MMXMMX
Caldari
Bendebeukers
Green Rhino
Posted - 2008.12.10 11:24:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
EVE Online: Quantum Rise 1.0.3 will be deployed this Wednesday, 10th December 2008. Tranquility will be down from 11:00 GMT to 15:40 GMT for this patch deployment.

Quantum Rise 1.0.3 focuses mainly on dramatic improvements in our Need for Speed initiative which will result in substantial improvements for large scale fleet battles, small gang warfare and large populations in trade or mission hubs. This patch enhances the client in many ways allowing for a much smoother game play experience for everyone.

Patch Notes are available; updates to the notes may be added should any further items be cleared through the Quality Assurance process. These updates will be highlighted with green text.




You say ''dramatic improvements in our Need for Speed''

But when i read the patch notes i see all changed stuf that my MSI 4870 OC 512 on a Intel E8500 can do while defragmentating hardrives and downloading movies and watching a DVD ad the same time while playing eve and then stil have no lag problem on my end .

Most off the lag i get is when the server let my computer wait.
My connection from Amsterdam to Londen is extreme fast so i will not really benefit from this christmas ''dramatic improvements''

But he when you run a 486 SX 50MHZ PC then maiby this wil give you the boost you where looking for Laughing


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