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Lord Zarcam
Amarr
Posted - 2009.05.05 01:24:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Originally by: Lord Zarcam
I have an easy question this time, any real advantage training Accounting 5 from 4? At 14 days, I can work on a lot of other stuff. But with a current market balance of almost 7B worth of stuff and turning over about 2 to 3b a month in sales.


Let me answer your question with a question, what is the advantage of training Accounting from 0 to 4?


Well, I see. Never thought of it that way. I said it was an easy question! Wink

Roger Kiyosaki
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2009.05.05 10:20:00 - [242]
 

Originally by: Nadia Perkins
I started to trading 4 days ago and i'm sellingbuyin a lot of item.
Is there a tool that say you the number of sold and bought item, the earn per item, what item did you earn more with etc?


I personally use EMMA for that.

Xeranasis
Posted - 2009.05.08 13:14:00 - [243]
 

Good morning.

I'm still reading and re-reading through the Stickied threads, and I have one question at this time.

Is there a community approved "template" for relatively small IPO's, currently in use at the moment? I'm examining the idea of "micro" ventures. I'm a new player to EvE, obviously, and I have next to nothing in assets, and so for the foreseeable future ISK measured in "millions" is the level of the game I expect to play at.

So, I am just looking to get some solid, up-to-date advice on the in's and out's of that all important IPO mechanism *IF* I ever decide to tempt fate with a micro-venture IPO.

Thanks very much. Cool

X.

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.05.08 13:16:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Xeranasis
Good morning.

I'm still reading and re-reading through the Stickied threads, and I have one question at this time.

Is there a community approved "template" for relatively small IPO's, currently in use at the moment? I'm examining the idea of "micro" ventures. I'm a new player to EvE, obviously, and I have next to nothing in assets, and so for the foreseeable future ISK measured in "millions" is the level of the game I expect to play at.

So, I am just looking to get some solid, up-to-date advice on the in's and out's of that all important IPO mechanism *IF* I ever decide to tempt fate with a micro-venture IPO.

Thanks very much. Cool

X.



Nope, but Hexxx's template can easily be modified to fit most any venture honestly. Obviously you don't need to expound as much but the format works and it works well for soliciting discussion, critiques, accolades, etc...

Xeranasis
Posted - 2009.05.08 13:29:00 - [245]
 

Found it -- thanks for the info !

X

jullll
Posted - 2009.05.11 13:57:00 - [246]
 

Is there a third party program that allow to warn you when a buyorder is over yours? Should be really handy.

Vested Interest
Posted - 2009.05.15 15:35:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Vested Interest on 15/05/2009 15:40:07
No but with this new breed of cache decoders coming out it'll be possible. Of course you'll still have to view market details on all the things you want to check.

Theoretically you could hit all the items in your quickbar really fast and something would generate a report of which items you'd been outbid on and needed to revisit.

I'm all for it. Then I would just need a quickbar sync tool YARRRR!!


edit: Our hypothetical tool here could even suggest new prices based on the last cache read.

Dread Medina
Posted - 2009.05.21 16:10:00 - [248]
 

Building ships is damn unprofitable, you could make the same amount as building and selling a ship by just selling the materials for it. Even when you do make a profit its for a tiny amount.

For example, materials required to build 30 Kestrel Frigates values about 7 Million

The amount made from selling 30 Kestrels? 7 Million?! Whats the point in building anything?

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2009.05.22 14:11:00 - [249]
 

Edited by: Midas Man on 22/05/2009 14:25:40
Originally by: Roger Kiyosaki
Originally by: Nadia Perkins
I started to trading 4 days ago and i'm sellingbuyin a lot of item.
Is there a tool that say you the number of sold and bought item, the earn per item, what item did you earn more with etc?


I personally use EMMA for that.


If you dont feel its worth paying for emma, you can download you .csv list of transaction from the "my character" section of the EVE website.
You can then use SUMIF and VLOOKUP/HLOOKUP functions in excel to calculate what your looking for.
using Emma will make it easier but if you dont mind spreadsheet once you got one running its just a case of copy paste with the .csv file once a week.

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2009.05.22 14:25:00 - [250]
 

Edited by: Midas Man on 22/05/2009 14:26:44
Originally by: Dread Medina
Building ships is damn unprofitable, you could make the same amount as building and selling a ship by just selling the materials for it. Even when you do make a profit its for a tiny amount.

For example, materials required to build 30 Kestrel Frigates values about 7 Million

The amount made from selling 30 Kestrels? 7 Million?! Whats the point in building anything?



The main point of manufacturing is to make a profit (although some people do it for fun). In certain items it is very difficult but most manufactured items follow a simple pattern.

1)Item is unprofitable so people stop building.
2)Less supply causes the prices to inflate.
3)At some point it becomes fairly profitable again.
4)People notice this new profit potential and start manufacturing like crazy
5) Excess supply causes prices to fall and we are back to 1)


Drugabuse
Posted - 2009.05.25 21:08:00 - [251]
 

Just lost around 150mil because buy orders expired today and I didn't get any isk back from those that expired.Shocked
I have been trading now for about month and this is first time this happens. Anyone else have had same issue?

Lord Zarcam
Amarr
Posted - 2009.05.26 02:09:00 - [252]
 

Always set your buy orders for 90 days. And I don't know if it's new or not, but if you adjust the price by any amount it resets the time back to 90 days.

In a few months you will use 150m to light your cigars with! ;-)

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2009.05.27 23:25:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Lord Zarcam
One of the threads below got me to thinking (yes, I know it's dangerous) of a recent situation. Do any of the EVE accounting tools read into contracts? Where you purchase a supply of items (multiple items) on a contract.



I noticed that this one hasn't received a clear answer yet.

Currently CCP doesn't support/provide contract data via API, so no tool can provide you any (automated) reports for contracts.

You would have to recreate your contracts manually in a theoretical tool and then "link" them somehow to the appropriate wallet journal entry. This sounds like it would cost more time than you would gain from it.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2009.05.27 23:27:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Drugabuse
Just lost around 150mil because buy orders expired today and I didn't get any isk back from those that expired.Shocked
I have been trading now for about month and this is first time this happens. Anyone else have had same issue?


This is usually resolved after the next DT.

Same goes for expired sell orders where the items should have dropped back to your hangar/deliveries, but aren't there yet.

Kanshin Dredox
Posted - 2009.06.01 02:47:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Tasko Pal
For a trader that has the margin trading skill, it becomes possible to place more buy orders than one has assets (that being the point of the skill). What happens when you buy enough to completely deplete your cash on hand? Do you go into negative cash? Do your remaining buy orders go away?


If a buy order is filled for which you do not have the available cash that order simply gets wiped out and the person who tried to fill it gets an "order nolonger available" message and has to try selling it again. Even if someone was only trying to sell you 10 units on a 1000 unit order, if you don't have the money that order gets canceled in its entirety but your other orders won't be affected.



Now, what is left unuswered, it what it mean order got canceled? What will I loose? I assume I lose only my broker fee and should get amount of isk I have in esrcow in this order back? Or I will loose this isk? I had it happened to me 2 times, but I can not know what actially happened. My transaction does not state market escrow refund.

Icy Milky
Posted - 2009.06.01 10:22:00 - [256]
 

Originally by: Kanshin Dredox
Now, what is left unuswered, it what it mean order got canceled? What will I loose? I assume I lose only my broker fee and should get amount of isk I have in esrcow in this order back? Or I will loose this isk? I had it happened to me 2 times, but I can not know what actially happened. My transaction does not state market escrow refund.

You will loose only Broker Fee, money from Escrow will be paid fully back. Somebody mentioned that it can be delayed by DT.

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.06.10 23:55:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Kanshin Dredox
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: Tasko Pal
For a trader that has the margin trading skill, it becomes possible to place more buy orders than one has assets (that being the point of the skill). What happens when you buy enough to completely deplete your cash on hand? Do you go into negative cash? Do your remaining buy orders go away?


If a buy order is filled for which you do not have the available cash that order simply gets wiped out and the person who tried to fill it gets an "order nolonger available" message and has to try selling it again. Even if someone was only trying to sell you 10 units on a 1000 unit order, if you don't have the money that order gets canceled in its entirety but your other orders won't be affected.



Now, what is left unuswered, it what it mean order got canceled? What will I loose? I assume I lose only my broker fee and should get amount of isk I have in esrcow in this order back? Or I will loose this isk? I had it happened to me 2 times, but I can not know what actially happened. My transaction does not state market escrow refund.
Your wallet has two tabs that show how money is being moved around, one is Journal and the other is transactions. Journal shows every loss and gain to your wallet, it is where you will see your escrow release.

Trip Nichols
Minmatar
Phazar Lunar Excavation
Posted - 2009.06.11 14:14:00 - [258]
 

This might have been asked already but I've not the time to look through all the pages, and I haven't yet found a guide to explain this:

Is it possible for someone here to put in as simple terms as possible, what shares are and how they work? And are they a marginally lucrative trading enterprise?

Galal Dax
Omber Company
Knights of the Rising Phoenix
Posted - 2009.06.11 20:11:00 - [259]
 

Hello All.

I have been reading MD for a few months now, and trade
myself some.

I was wondering if anyone has ever put together a fund - something like a mutual fund - that would invest in at least 10-20 of the bonds/IPOs out there - thus spreading the risk.

I think a number of people, myself included, would be interested in putting ISK into something like this versus just in our own account or EBANK only, etc.

If someone like Brock was behind it - and it was only invested in audited bonds/IPOs - could be very helpful.

Just a thought - maybe it already exists - if so could someone please link the thread?

Thanks.


Tyatki
Posted - 2009.06.12 06:18:00 - [260]
 

I have question about selling goods. Lets say I'm selling some Mexa. When I click sell this item it pops up with a sale price of 25.00Isk. When I click on the market info it shows the buyer is 2 jumps away (I'm assuming that's what the green highlight means) but under buyers it shows someone in the same system as I am willing to pay 27.70Isk.

How and/or why does the Market pick and chose buyers?

Is there a way to switch it to a direct sale to the in system buyer paying 27.70 or will I have to open a sell order?

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.06.12 18:26:00 - [261]
 

Originally by: Trip Nichols
This might have been asked already but I've not the time to look through all the pages, and I haven't yet found a guide to explain this:

Is it possible for someone here to put in as simple terms as possible, what shares are and how they work? And are they a marginally lucrative trading enterprise?


I'd start here

They have limited power in EVE in that votes can be issued and voted on for various purposes like locking unlocking prints, etc... When you issue dividends through the corporate wallet each share is issued that dividend.

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.06.12 18:27:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Tyatki
I have question about selling goods. Lets say I'm selling some Mexa. When I click sell this item it pops up with a sale price of 25.00Isk. When I click on the market info it shows the buyer is 2 jumps away (I'm assuming that's what the green highlight means) but under buyers it shows someone in the same system as I am willing to pay 27.70Isk.

How and/or why does the Market pick and chose buyers?

Is there a way to switch it to a direct sale to the in system buyer paying 27.70 or will I have to open a sell order?


Each order has a range, either station, system, or region. When you click on sell the market system brokers your order to the nearest match by range and then price.

Yasuuko
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2009.06.12 19:14:00 - [263]
 

I have been trading for a while now (with limited success) and i have a few questions:

1) Its not much profitable (i could even say stupid) to buy items (say... 1mn MWD II) in a mission hub, to resell it in a trade hub right? The other way around should be the "right way" am i correct?

2) I usually check the table view on the price history to see if i will trade on a certain item. And i stay away from every item unless they have 3 digits in both columns (orders and quantity). What would you consider a minimal value for these two columns?

Thanks

Gil Danastre
Amarr
JAF-CO Exploration
Posted - 2009.06.14 21:23:00 - [264]
 

A friend of mine has been working at trading for the past while and I asked him about investing in him. He was interested in the idea, but was unsure of how to actually make it work using the ingame tools. Like say I was to invest 1 billion isk into him. We agree on say a % of the profits for each month goes to me. Is there a way to do that via shares? Or is it something that'll have to be done manually?

Comnn
Posted - 2009.06.15 06:58:00 - [265]
 

Edited by: Comnn on 15/06/2009 07:01:00
I found the answer to this question in this thread... please delete this post.

Icy Milky
Posted - 2009.06.15 13:53:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Yasuuko
1) Its not much profitable (i could even say stupid) to buy items (say... 1mn MWD II) in a mission hub, to resell it in a trade hub right? The other way around should be the "right way" am i correct?

2) I usually check the table view on the price history to see if i will trade on a certain item. And i stay away from every item unless they have 3 digits in both columns (orders and quantity). What would you consider a minimal value for these two columns?

ad 1) the other way around is of course correct for such item... unless you find out that it is actually much cheaper at your place than at market hub ... which can often be for specific items.

ad 2) this is good way as you say it, I would probably not be so demanding on "3-digits" condition. It is very different for various items... for ammo you look more for thousands, for very expensive items you are looking for single pieces, where even one sold item per a day or two with good margin is success. I would say that more than ammount of sold items the frequency is more imporatant.

It can even be that history shows that item is not good in that market, but it can be because nobody place it on market very much, or unnecessary expansive... so again, there is no exact answer but it is very good indication. In the end, the best way is to buy few pieces of item X, place it on market and see how fast it is sold.

Alice Rubidinous
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2009.06.16 06:27:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Galal Dax
Hello All.

I have been reading MD for a few months now, and trade
myself some.

I was wondering if anyone has ever put together a fund - something like a mutual fund - that would invest in at least 10-20 of the bonds/IPOs out there - thus spreading the risk.

I think a number of people, myself included, would be interested in putting ISK into something like this versus just in our own account or EBANK only, etc.

If someone like Brock was behind it - and it was only invested in audited bonds/IPOs - could be very helpful.

Just a thought - maybe it already exists - if so could someone please link the thread?

Thanks.




While this would be a good idea in real life, it makes little sense in Eve given the current setup. The more parties (no matter how "established" they are) involved in a public offering, the more risky that public offering is.

To put it simply: nothing is stopping anyone from taking invested isk and running. Mutual fund schemes would just add another layer of people who can run with your isk with relative impunity.

I suspect there is another question lurking beneath the one you're asking, which is, "Is there an easy way for me to avoid doing personal due diligence on a bunch of investments in MD, and still spread my assets, reduce risk, and invest wisely?" (AKA, a mutual fund).

The answer is no.

Unless you're looking for low single=digit returns. Then DBANK and EBANK are options...though they carry their own risks. (Go look at the EBANK kerfluffle thread with a bazillion replies to better understand these risks.)

Here's my advice (and I haven't seen anyone else on these forums advocate it, so take it with a grain of salt).

1. Research long-term trends in basic minerals and meta4 items(for instance, look at what happens pre and post expansions to each mineral).

2. Buy ***loads of a few basic items/minerals whose value you think will increase in the next 3-6months.

3. Wait for their value to rise.

Whenever I have massive amounts of spare isk, that's what I do. Granted, I never sell at a loss so I have stockpiles of certain things lying around...but by my last calculation even if I sold the lossy items and calculated total profit for all such isk dispensed of in this manner, I've made off with 12% interest compounded monthly since I started.

Eteindre Shandrate
Amarr
Luna Decrescentia Celeris
Posted - 2009.06.16 10:14:00 - [268]
 

Edited by: Eteindre Shandrate on 16/06/2009 10:16:39
Edited by: Eteindre Shandrate on 16/06/2009 10:15:43
Originally by: Joseph Shephard
I have a question regarding pricing of T2 BPOs. I'm a new manufacturer/trader with my own little startup corporation Arcelor Capital. It only took us about a week of T1 production to begin looking through contracts at the T2 BPOs just so we could begin dreaming about the future. The thing we noticed is that most T2 BPOs cost about 3 Billion ISK for a cheap BPO and can be tens of billions of ISK for a high-end T2 BPO. The question I have is how can any corporation actually value a BPO so highly given the fact that every patch and change can dramatically effect the value of your product and of your BPO?

The best example I can think of is this: I saw an Armor EM Hardener II BPO with asking price of 15 Billion. The product is highly profitable to manufacture. Every item you make can be sold with relative ease for (rough estimate) 500,000 ISK. You can make about 12 of the modules each day. Hence, your daily profit without expending too much effort is 6 Million ISK. That was with decent ME, PE, and a good time multiplier on manufacturing, etc.

6 Million ISK per day in profit is no small amount, but then I got to thinking about the fact that it would take (2500 days = more than six years) of profit to pay off that BPO. Now, of course, you could be profitable if you manufactured for a year, made 6Million*365days = 2.2 Billion ISK in profit, and then resold that same BPO for 15 Billion ISK again.

Then problem is, a lot could happen in a year that could make it impossible to sell your product, your BPO, or both profitably. For instance, mineral prices could change and eat away at your profit margin, making the BPO worth less. A new item could be introduced into the game that serves a similar function -- therefore diminishing or obliterating demand for your product. A whole new system of T2 or even T3 BPOs could be introduced that would diminish the demand for your BPO or your product. Maybe after three years there has been a decrease in the Eve playerbase that makes it impossible to sell all 12 units per day.

Given the long time horizon on T2 BPO investments, is there any real economic reason why someone should be willing to make a one to six year investment in them when any part of the economy (large or small) could be altered by game mechanics or developers at any time?

Thanks for any input -- clearly I'm not buying one of these for a while, I was just interested in how it all works.


Not sure if this has been said as i didn't read the complete thread, and totally not sure if i'm correct on this (new to the market / industry branch), and not to mention the epic fail of quoting a post of almost a year old:
Isn't the return multiplied by copying the BPO? You mentioned that a certain number of items could be produced per day, and therefore it would take 6 years to get any return. However, if you would create let's say 10 copies from a researched BPO, would that not mean that those 6 years will be shortend to 6/10 years -> 218 days ? (Assuming you could sell 120 of mentioned items per day). Would that not justify the high cost of a T2 BPO?

I'm asking this also on behalf of myself... if someone could answer this question, i'd be glad.. Smile

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2009.06.20 03:55:00 - [269]
 

This thread contains a lot of good information, and it has proved useful as a Market Discussions sticky, but perhaps its size is starting to obscure its content?

I'm a big fan of people doing a search and looking at the stickies before posting, since most of the time that will give them answer to their quick question... but a 9-page thread can be a bit daunting.

So might I suggest that some enterprising person condense this thread to a simple and brief FAQ (ideally an EVElopedia page!), and that Amarr Citizen 155 (or someone else) make a fresh 'Ask your questions here' thread to be stickied, making reference to (or even incorporating) the new FAQ and linking to this older thread for posterity's sake.

(I'd do all this myself, but I'm beginning to suspect that I might pretty lazy.)

Erat Ipgnik
Posted - 2009.06.20 07:39:00 - [270]
 

Ok, this is really noob, since I have played for 2 days now. I am trying to buy a frigate. In order to do so, I would like to have some small energy turret skills before, to arm it at least somehow. I noticed there was the skill available in station where I am. The price was 18000 ISK. I bought it at the price, no bargain made. However, it only says Buy order is made. When I will get the skill?

Is the game system made it the way that even when you are willing to pay the asked price, the seller must still accept the deal? So, if the deal is not accepted in expiration time, I will not get that skill to be learned?


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