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Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.02.19 13:09:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Morgan Grim
I think I figured it out. I think Orders is how many separate purchases were made on that specific day, and Quantity is the total items bought from those purchases on that day.


Yes. Orders is how many actual completed purchases (either bought or sold) were made during the course of the day while volume is the total amount moved that day.

When compared to the min/max/median price along with the trending graph you can get an idea of what any given item actually moves at.

A good example is some meta items, where even though there are sell orders at the max for instance, the median price has it close to the min. This would denote that the bulk of the volume moved was actually at or near the buy price.

Ozilia
Posted - 2009.02.19 13:35:00 - [182]
 

Hi everyone,

Another quick question from a startup trader: When i have my Wallet window up i click on one of my orders and click "Show market info" to see if for example someone have undercut me and i need to lower the price. Is there any way of seeing where my order is in the Market window other then just looking at the prices?
I'd like a big red marker or something in the market window for all my orders...!

MILK Monk
Knights of the Silver Dawn
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2009.02.19 15:52:00 - [183]
 

Ozilia, no it is not possible. Make sure you check your orders carefully when editing prices - it is a bit annoying when you do mistakes and have to wait 3 minutes to be able to update it again... For this reason I love this situation:
my price: 1.999.999,99
I was underpriced to: 1.999.999,98
I change to: 1.999.989,97
... Twisted Evil

Ozilia
Posted - 2009.02.19 18:25:00 - [184]
 

Originally by: MILK Monk
Ozilia, no it is not possible. Make sure you check your orders carefully when editing prices - it is a bit annoying when you do mistakes and have to wait 3 minutes to be able to update it again... For this reason I love this situation:
my price: 1.999.999,99
I was underpriced to: 1.999.999,98
I change to: 1.999.989,97
... Twisted Evil


Ah to bad :(

Thanks anyway for the help, lets hope they add it in the future, would make trading a whole lot easier imo!

Salvo Brunel
Outbreak.
Posted - 2009.02.19 19:57:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Ozilia
Thanks anyway for the help, lets hope they add it in the future, would make trading a whole lot easier imo!


The problem is that anything that makes your life easier also makes life easier for your rivals, so often these 'improvements' don't make any difference.

Salizar Amolkshue
Posted - 2009.02.20 17:26:00 - [186]
 

Edited by: Salizar Amolkshue on 20/02/2009 17:29:58
edit: typo

How does buying / selling a rigged ship work on contract?

My understanding is that in order to offer a ship on contract, you have to repackage it first. Repackaging a ship destroys the rigs.

So the contracts that have a ship and 3 rigs listed with, those I get, someone is just packaging them up and selling them as a bundle. But can you actually buy a ship with rigs already installed in a secure manner using the contracts? Or do you have to trust the seller to eject from the ship in space and let you hop in, and that the ship will be what they claim it is, when buying a ship that is already rigged?

Thanks. I'm sure this has been asked and answered before, but I couldn't find it anywhere.

-Sal


Drahomira Mlecna
Posted - 2009.02.21 11:07:00 - [187]
 

Edited by: Drahomira Mlecna on 21/02/2009 23:49:55
you only have to repackage item / ship when you want to sell it on market.

You can sell rigged and fitted ship via contract, you can even let items in cargo of ship. There is only limit that no module or ship can be damaged and no ammo loaded in guns. Also when you look at the contract it is clearly listed what is fitted on ship (including rigs). Fitted items and items in cargo are move slightly to the right in contract list.

Salizar Amolkshue
Posted - 2009.02.23 15:35:00 - [188]
 

Originally by: Drahomira Mlecna

you only have to repackage item / ship when you want to sell it on market.


Ok, cool, thanks for the info. I never noticed the indent before in the details of the contract, but I'll watch for it now.

Claire Voyant
Posted - 2009.02.28 03:35:00 - [189]
 

Edited by: Claire Voyant on 28/02/2009 03:36:30
Is there a list of which NPC corps sell which BPOs like in the old item database?

In particular I am looking for:
Capital Energy Transfer Array I Blueprint
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Blueprint
Capital Remote Hull Repair System I Blueprint

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.02.28 04:35:00 - [190]
 

Each of the faction navies seed the BPOs for capital parts and modules. Cannot remember the exacts of each but most of the navies carry every part except for a select few.

I'll see if I can dig up the link which lists all the locations

Linda Tradition
Posted - 2009.03.02 10:23:00 - [191]
 

hey guys,

im quiet new to the buisness and just doing some small t2 arbitrages atm. now i want to start with more basic stuff, like components e.g. and there it goes: the speculation.

the question is about graphic chart (notting new for you so far), i read a lot of it, but (maybe because im no native speaker) havent get the connection between the medien day price and the green / red line.

so when (for example):
- yellow dots constant
- red rising (but BELOW, yellow dots)
- green rising (but BELOW yellow dots)
- dorchian channel rising (high and low with same angle)
- quantity constant
what does it mean? this questions focus on the meaning of the position of the average lines to the median. is it more important on which lvl those lines are, or wether they falling/rising?
how to read trends out of this? are trendchanges the "crosspoints" of 5day/20day av. with the median?

thx for helping a greenhorn ;)
(and sry when this question was anwered 100x times and i simple havent found it)

Icy Milky
Posted - 2009.03.03 13:21:00 - [192]
 

maybe I will not give you exact answer which you expect, but anyway I will try... I generally use these graphs for decision whether I want to buy more items today or rather less now and buy more later when price will be better. It is acceptable to buy 20 pieces of item in case I see the price is too high, but you can still make profit when selling. However when you will see that price is probably in the "valley" when comparing last six month then you can decide to buy much larger amount just to sell it later with good profit even when price goes up. Etc. I do not care too much about median, yellow dots etc. I observer trend - whether it goes up or down and I compare it with 6 months history.

The more time you will spend with bussiness the more you will learn how to decide. So actually it has no sense to think about medians and avarage in case you want to buy "now" and sell "1 minute later", however it gets great sense to keep observing the trend of your favourite items and decide when to buy more and when to buy just a few to sell "now" and buy even more when price will be better. And of course

so to sum up... I observe the trend of price and decide according to it, because I do more short term trading. I compare actuall price in HUB against price where I want to sell. I decide... I belive other businessmen do it differently so they can diagree with me regarding imporatnace of all data provided by graphs but it always depends on how you do your business in the end.

Loaby
Amarr
Imperial Forces
Posted - 2009.03.03 14:40:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Claire Voyant
Edited by: Claire Voyant on 28/02/2009 03:36:30
Is there a list of which NPC corps sell which BPOs like in the old item database?

In particular I am looking for:
Capital Energy Transfer Array I Blueprint
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Blueprint
Capital Remote Hull Repair System I Blueprint



Linkage

Lord Zarcam
Amarr
Posted - 2009.03.08 17:59:00 - [194]
 

One of the threads below got me to thinking (yes, I know it's dangerous) of a recent situation. Do any of the EVE accounting tools read into contracts? Where you purchase a supply of items (multiple items) on a contract.

The journal, from what I can see, only show the total purchase amount of the contract and not a list of items that were in the contract. It's making it very difficult to track actual profits and margins for each item.

I've been using EVE-Commander for about 5-6 months now, so I know it doesn't. Does anyone know if one of the other programs do?

Claire Voyant
Posted - 2009.03.09 14:50:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Loaby
Originally by: Claire Voyant
Edited by: Claire Voyant on 28/02/2009 03:36:30
Is there a list of which NPC corps sell which BPOs like in the old item database?

In particular I am looking for:
Capital Energy Transfer Array I Blueprint
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I Blueprint
Capital Remote Hull Repair System I Blueprint



Linkage


Thank you kindly, Loaby, for sending me back to Amarr territory, where I found them all. I know I went to look there before, but I must have screwed up somehow.

Vested Interest
Posted - 2009.03.09 19:30:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Lord Zarcam
One of the threads below got me to thinking (yes, I know it's dangerous) of a recent situation. Do any of the EVE accounting tools read into contracts? Where you purchase a supply of items (multiple items) on a contract.

The journal, from what I can see, only show the total purchase amount of the contract and not a list of items that were in the contract. It's making it very difficult to track actual profits and margins for each item.

I've been using EVE-Commander for about 5-6 months now, so I know it doesn't. Does anyone know if one of the other programs do?



Not that I'm aware of, but Ambo definitely has an active feature request for EMMA to shoehorn this in.

BigDe
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2009.03.09 21:11:00 - [197]
 

Quick question..... Is there anything out there that will make it easier to read a marketlog after you have exported it?

ZeusOnRoids
Amarr
The German Star-Fighters
United European Star-Force
Posted - 2009.03.11 01:50:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: BigDe
Quick question..... Is there anything out there that will make it easier to read a marketlog after you have exported it?


excel or OOo

Skaggz
Project Nemesis
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2009.03.11 03:12:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Skaggz on 11/03/2009 03:13:13
Originally by: BigDe
Quick question..... Is there anything out there that will make it easier to read a marketlog after you have exported it?


I use this one --> Eve Market Scanner

It also allows you to view to region's market orders side by side.

Isaac Swift
Posted - 2009.03.17 06:28:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Isaac Swift on 17/03/2009 08:26:46
Edited by: Isaac Swift on 17/03/2009 08:26:26
Edited by: Isaac Swift on 17/03/2009 08:25:18
I have two questions. First off, I've asked this question a couple times already, but I figure that this stickied thread is the best place to put it. Is there a list of eve accounting tools out there? I recently switched from eve-central to eve-metrics (auto uploads FTW) and use an excel spread-sheet to make sense of the information. This is time-consuming when analyzing any more than a couple items, unfortunately, and gets way out of hand when trying to analyze data spread across multiple regions. I know that EMMA is supposed to make things way easier, but I don't have 100mil to spare quite yet. Any other suggestions for tools that I can use to make my life easier?

Second question is much simpler: where are all of the major trading hubs? Right now I'm operating out of Oursulaert and Dodixie, mostly, occasionally making trips to Jita. I'm anxious to spread my wings a bit and try some new markets, though. Any suggestions?

EDIT: I have found the answer to both of my question on one sticky! Here.

HaraKiriPT
Posted - 2009.03.19 14:43:00 - [201]
 

with an investment of 220M ten days ago and a new alt toon (now with about 1M SP)...

according Eve Commander have a profit of 208.7 %... Selling (37 orders)with an open sale volume of 479M , Buying (10 orders) with 91M but only have now on wallet 9M...

i'm i doing this right????
is normal this slow movement of cash cause i'm feeling kinda of broke Neutral ?

Icy Milky
Posted - 2009.03.19 15:23:00 - [202]
 

sure you are doing it right, if you do profit. The fact that you are low on cash does not mean that it is wrong, it means that your money are working for you, instead of sitting in wallet. Wait few days untill your stuff got sold and you will have cash back soon so you can again do your shoping, drain wallet and rotate the circle again... I can see that you have quite ammount of cash in buy orders. Minimize this by training correct skill (Margin trading) which will lower the cash paid in advance for your Buy Orders (Market Escrow).

few points to consider
- how many orders you manage = how many different goods you can trade at one time. The more of orders the more "bandwidth" for your bussiness
- set right balance regarding time spent with order management and enjoying the game (my personal limit is now 93 on one alt and 45 on second and I am not going for more since I do not want to spend 4 hours a day with order management)
- be patient - you have to wait till your budget groove up slowly, buy-sell-profit-repeat. it took me like 5 months to become self-sufficient in terms of buying stuff completly from my own cash to fill whole transport ship (approx. 2-3B per shoping session).
- if you can, borrow money from your friends, returnit asap. You will speed up you bussiness a lot. I did very often, to borrow few hundred millions, return it in 1-2 days (my wallet empty) and then keep money which are mine.
- be careful... gangin in high-sec is reality, make sure you do not risk too much. You will be juicy target once you will start to haul stuff for few bilions in cargo. And you must be ready for that - to cover the loss, not let it disgusted you too much :)

HaraKiriPT
Posted - 2009.03.19 15:45:00 - [203]
 

tks for the tips Icy.

regarding to the suicidal ganking, i'm using 3 giant secure containers on the ships cargo hold (about 13 000m3). i've setted a password offcourse . i remember reading somewhere that if we do this, in case of gank they won't have acess to the stuff

Icy Milky
Posted - 2009.03.19 15:53:00 - [204]
 

sorry to say that, but my last 3,5 Billion worth epxerience says that passworded container will not potect your stuff when ganked...

Sir Ibex
Posted - 2009.03.19 16:00:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: Sir Ibex on 19/03/2009 15:59:59
I've been trading for a while now, but there are still some things I cannot understand...

1)How do YOU tell what is worth trading. Now, I understand that people try to look for things that are probably in demand at the hub they are hauling to. But in truth, it's complete BS. More often than not, you could be selling thousands of hybrid cannons in amarr for example, when not a single laser will sell.
So there must be other factors in play... Do you decide if something is worth trading by looking at average? Daily sales? But how do you tell if that stuff sold in YOUR station and not somewhere else in the region? I suppose you can make a rough estimate by comparing the average daily price to current price in station. but that is a VERY inaccurate estimate because what was the case today might not be the case tomorrow... How do you know if an item is definitely worth your time and money?

2)What do you do if you simply cannot find anything to haul to the station where you were successfully selling stuff for a while? What if all the profit you were making dried up due to enormous competition and price drops? Let's say you still have many sell orders set up in that station. You can just pick up and move elsewhere. You still need to sell this stuff where you currently are! If you'll cancel orders you'll lose money... If you'll keep undercutting lower than what you originally paid, you'll be at a loss. What do you do in such cases?

3)Do you usually haul, or do you sit in station setting buy orders and reselling? Which is better for you and why?

4)How do you deal with people that undercut you literally every 4 min? I doubt there are many people that can sit at their PC modifying orders every 4 min 24/7. It can drive a man nuts... It seems like no matter how low I cut, people will cut even lower. Cutting by a huge margin DOES NOT HELP in my experience. They will cut even to zero if they have to, leaving me wondering where the hell did they get the item in question so cheap, that they can afford to lose all profit on it.

5)Are there any proggies that will automatically calculate your profit per item AFTER all taxes and fees?

HaraKiriPT
Posted - 2009.03.19 16:46:00 - [206]
 

To Icy... ouch Shocked

To Ibex (please note that i'm a noob at trading)

1) research, research, research... it helps to learn what are the best ships, fits, mining and production requirements, etc.... read... read... read.

2)do the maths about the best profit or the minimum loss... sometimes **** happens

3) both strategies are viable. you have to choose what works best to you. my exp. haul: need more time but can have better profit, sit: less time consuming, less money

4) play their game, give up, cancel and move to other station region,... choose

5) i'm using eve commander, but there are others. check http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1005330

Armoured C
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2009.03.23 23:09:00 - [207]
 

ok i have a few questions, and i have been on the stickies and a wiki and how stuff work and there a few things that are still puzzling me, at the moment i have a bond going and once that finished i want to be going into the world of IPO and get on the stock exchange ( well because it sound cool )

at the moment it is just me in the corporation , and all i am doing is hauling trade good from one place to another.

Firstly can i actually do this with one person in my corporation making it publicly tradable on trade good. cuz there was a few thing about board of directors and voting and some stuff but then it say if someone can vote that only one person be the board. can i be on the stock exchange with trade goods?

also how small can i make this IPO were talking about 10 million 20 million isk small. Is this doable ?

How do i get on the stock exchange, how will i sell my share on there =/

how does the profits and dividend work with a IPO.

how will i move the sharesd or does the stock exchange do that for me =/

i know alot of you guys ain't liking me right now because i am loud and scary on the forums but i am deadly serious about this small IPO. and would like some help i knowing what i am actually doing please.

Black Mack
Posted - 2009.03.24 02:52:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Sir Ibex
Edited by: Sir Ibex on 19/03/2009 15:59:59
I've been trading for a while now, but there are still some things I cannot understand...


(1) I am a total noob to the trading scene, but after hours of thinking and studying, I think I have a general grasp of how to read the market graph. First (and arguably the most important) is the number of items moved. Item doesn't get moved, you don't make money. The second most important thing is the range of prices that item is sold at. The yellow median dot will tell you the average, and the two yellow lines that extend from it are the prices it will sell at. A healthy item will have a high amount of movement, with a median dot that sits in the middle of the donchian, with yellow lines that extend above and below. Finally, make sure to take a look at the amount of undercutting that's happening. If there are too many competitors, you won't be able to sell too much.

So there must be other factors in play... Do you decide if something is worth trading by looking at average? Daily sales? But how do you tell if that stuff sold in YOUR station and not somewhere else in the region? I suppose you can make a rough estimate by comparing the average daily price to current price in station. but that is a VERY inaccurate estimate because what was the case today might not be the case tomorrow... How do you know if an item is definitely worth your time and money?

2)What do you do if you simply cannot find anything to haul to the station where you were successfully selling stuff for a while? What if all the profit you were making dried up due to enormous competition and price drops? Let's say you still have many sell orders set up in that station. You can just pick up and move elsewhere. You still need to sell this stuff where you currently are! If you'll cancel orders you'll lose money... If you'll keep undercutting lower than what you originally paid, you'll be at a loss. What do you do in such cases?

(2) Try to look at the item's history. You might be in a temporary dry spell. Also, look at the amount of items moving- if the market has shifted from selling to buying, you can capitalize that by selling the items to a different hub. As far as competition goes, they very well might be getting their supplies from a different market. They also may be try to crash the economy on purpose... they'll drop the prices, then buy a truckload of items for cheap. Look for other markets until things pick back up.

3) I'm currently flirting with using regional buy orders, then contracting people to move items to the hub for me. They'll do it for less than 50,000isk, if it isn't too far, and your time is better spent not hauling.

4)I have no idea how to beat these guys, to be honest. Just don't trade too much in major hubs, I guess.

5) EMMA is an awesome program, but it costs 100mil after a 2 week trial. It'll do pretty much anything you want, though, including calculating profitable courier routes and reproc rates. Give it a shot.

Druk'tel
Posted - 2009.03.24 08:16:00 - [209]
 

hey.. so i was simply wondering..

i was flying around in heimtar and noticed that there where no "expanded probe launchers" in that region.

hence i flew to Jita to try and make me some ISK. this being my first attempt at making a profit out of the market.

anywho.. i checked the market again there where still no Ex probe launchers available. but as soon as i put my couple launchers up for sale. the region was flooded with Ex probe launchers and the BP.


whats up with that ?

can somebody clarify this confusion for me.

thanks

Jen'te An
Gallente
Posted - 2009.03.29 03:21:00 - [210]
 

I started marketing in, shall we say, less traveled areas. When you put something up for sale and there aren't any orders running, you get a lot of goofy stuff like your order is "2000% above regional average." I decided to try to affect the regional average by buying and selling to myself.

Here's my issue:

I put an item on the market for 30M ISK. I made it a distinct number that I would recognize just in case. It was the only order for that item in that station. As soon as I put up the sell order for my item, I found it on the market and bought it. 30M ISK left my wallet. I had the item back in my inventory. Good, right? I noticed that I didn't get any money back in my wallet so I checked "Transactions" in my wallet and my name wasn't in the client column. I was shocked so I tried it again...with the same result. Where the hell did this random order come from? Why, even though I was obviously selecting MY order, did I buy from someone else?


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