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SiJira
Posted - 2009.01.04 19:08:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: SiJira on 04/01/2009 19:08:23
eve central will never be well updated and the less busy a system is the less likely eve central will be accurate for it

there are a lot of trades outside of the trade hubs but you will have to find them yourself and that is what keeps them profitable

Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
Posted - 2009.01.04 20:00:00 - [122]
 

Cpt Jacqui - Eve Central question:

1) It is only as good as its last update - always check the time stamp.
2) Realize it is easily manipulated.
3) Realize uploads only happen if someone with the software has done a check on your item.

That being said its decent to take a look at, but do not consider it law.

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.01.06 05:10:00 - [123]
 

Oh questions, oh questions, wherefore art thou questions?

Loaby
Amarr
Imperial Forces
Posted - 2009.01.06 12:46:00 - [124]
 

can someone please explain me the donchian channel? i dont get it. start with adam and eve, pleaseEmbarassed

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2009.01.06 13:23:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Loaby
can someone please explain me the donchian channel? i dont get it. start with adam and eve, pleaseEmbarassed


Donchian Channel


Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.01.06 13:24:00 - [126]
 

Originally by: Midas Man
Originally by: Loaby
can someone please explain me the donchian channel? i dont get it. start with adam and eve, pleaseEmbarassed


Donchian Channel




Best explanation really, although you missed a perfect good Adam and Eve joke there Midas Laughing

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2009.01.06 13:29:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Midas Man on 06/01/2009 13:31:46
Originally by: Kazzac Elentria
Originally by: Midas Man
Originally by: Loaby
can someone please explain me the donchian channel? i dont get it. start with adam and eve, pleaseEmbarassed


Donchian Channel




Best explanation really, although you missed a perfect good Adam and Eve joke there Midas Laughing


Very Happy Numb brain from work Embarassed


edit lol forgot joke

On the Second day God says to Adam, "I have some good news... and some bad news."

Adam responds, "Well tell me the good news first."

"Alright my son, the good news is I will give you both a brain and a *****... the bad news is I'm only going to give you enough blood to run one at a time."

Loaby
Amarr
Imperial Forces
Posted - 2009.01.06 16:09:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Midas Man

edit lol forgot joke

On the Second day God says to Adam, "I have some good news... and some bad news."

Adam responds, "Well tell me the good news first."

"Alright my son, the good news is I will give you both a brain and a *****... the bad news is I'm only going to give you enough blood to run one at a time."



thats why i dont understand the donchian channel

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2009.01.06 16:31:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Midas Man on 06/01/2009 16:33:19
Originally by: Loaby


thats why i dont understand the donchian channel


joking aside, in basic terms the Donchian channel show the change in price of the item over time. Anything with a wide donchian channel, signals a good opportunity for speculative trading. ie buy when price is near the lower end and sell at the high end. Watching the items for a week or two should allow you to spot when to buy and when to sell.
Anything with a narrow donchian channel will be pointless to day trade on, but opportunities can be spotted in regional variance on the item, so look for areas where items are cheaper, that said if the donchian channel is narrow trading then generally opportunities will be small.

engimonger
Posted - 2009.01.06 17:51:00 - [130]
 

Is it fair to say 'Dochian channel' = VIX?

Or, if it's not equivalent, is it at least similar?

Aluin Chaput
Caldari
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.09 00:24:00 - [131]
 

I am only sort of new, but here I go... by the way, the question is theoretical, mainly my way of reviving a good thread.

Would it be possible to, with enough ISK, to take a random highsec system and turn it into a hub?

Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
Posted - 2009.01.09 01:11:00 - [132]
 

I recall a project that Proton Power and a few others were attempting to undertake such a feat, or something like that.

However, my own personal thought is you could have all the inventory of Jita in a random system, but people just wouldn't go there. Jita's success is all about it's location imo.

Aluin Chaput
Caldari
Sacred Templars
Black Star Alliance
Posted - 2009.01.09 01:19:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Kylar Renpurs

However, my own personal thought is you could have all the inventory of Jita in a random system, but people just wouldn't go there. Jita's success is all about it's location imo.


True. It would take some nice market manipulation, either overpriced goods in a highly traveled system of under priced goods in a low traveled system to pull off, but maybe somebody could do it. It would be really interesting to see, who knows, maybe somebody will pull it off.

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2009.01.09 09:41:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Midas Man on 09/01/2009 09:42:07
Originally by: Aluin Chaput

True. It would take some nice market manipulation, either overpriced goods in a highly traveled system of under priced goods in a low traveled system to pull off, but maybe somebody could do it. It would be really interesting to see, who knows, maybe somebody will pull it off.



IMO the only possible way to pull off a feat like this would be to target rare items. ie taking the majority of the popular deadspace/officer mods and ship etc aswell as building materials for tech2 out of Jita and moving them to your new location.

Underpriced goods would be the wrong way to go because you would just open the flood gate for interregion traders to reverse your attempt and take it back to Jita for profit.

It would be very expensive and maynot work quickly, you would need to keep moving large volumes of the ggods out of Jita until people start to abandon it for your new hub.

The biggest hurdle would be the volume of traders that rely on a system like Jita, and im sure many would invest money to ensure a plot like that didn't work. so i think we are stuck with jita as the "main" hub and few smaller hubs centered around points of interest until CCP decide otherwise.

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.01.10 16:36:00 - [135]
 

Good discussion, good questions. Bring em on!

CCP Mitnal


C C P
Posted - 2009.01.11 04:30:00 - [136]
 

Belated glue applied.

To answer concerns as to why, we now have two sticky threads specifically to deal with new marketeers entering Market Discussion.

This was quite clearly pointed out as a concern by more experienced players when we discussed the sub forum.

Loaby
Amarr
Imperial Forces
Posted - 2009.01.12 07:41:00 - [137]
 

what happens if 2 people are setting up orders at the same price for the same item. who will sell/buy if someone buys/sells from them?

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.01.12 08:47:00 - [138]
 

The one with the oldest order

Forceflow
Chernobyl Trading Corporation
Posted - 2009.01.14 03:41:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Forceflow on 14/01/2009 04:07:05
Edited by: Forceflow on 14/01/2009 03:41:12
I'm been doing some searching through the eve-search and couldn't find the info I was looking for.

I've been considering starting a small bond to raise capital and get a start in MD. However, on the issue of providing collateral, would shares in ongoing IPOs of an equivalent amount be sufficient or would more tangible Eve assets be required? Also, how would it be held? Would it have to be transfered to a trusted 3rd party?

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.01.14 15:59:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Forceflow
Edited by: Forceflow on 14/01/2009 04:07:05
Edited by: Forceflow on 14/01/2009 03:41:12
I'm been doing some searching through the eve-search and couldn't find the info I was looking for.

I've been considering starting a small bond to raise capital and get a start in MD. However, on the issue of providing collateral, would shares in ongoing IPOs of an equivalent amount be sufficient or would more tangible Eve assets be required? Also, how would it be held? Would it have to be transfered to a trusted 3rd party?



In most cases you will gonna need an audit done , the one doing this person in a lot of cases also is the one who keeps the colleteral in safety.

Regarding if shares would be good enough i am not sure since some IPO's could still turn out to be a faillure in the end in wich case your collateral immediatly falls away.

Question firstly is if it wouldn't be wiser for yourself to sell those shares for a little profit of what you bought them or the buying price itself.It would be odd if the percentage of profit you gain from your own business will be lower then these shares bring you on a monthly base and in this way you also will not have to deal with handing over X percentage to investors on money you worked hard for yourself.

Sure having shares of others are a nice income but they are a passive income and if you don't have the capital to both run your own active income from your business and on a side have a passive income from shares i'd certainly throw those out first.


Loaby
Amarr
Imperial Forces
Posted - 2009.01.14 16:33:00 - [141]
 

what does IPO stand for?

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.01.14 16:36:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Loaby
what does IPO stand for?


Initial Public Offering



Basically you have a great industrial idea to work out but don't have isk.You try and get shareholders who hand you the isk and in replacement give them a percentage of the profits for it.Check the forums here , the 1st page is filled with them.


Brock Nelson
Posted - 2009.01.15 04:09:00 - [143]
 

Didn't warrent its own thread but how do you calculate the average price if you have something like this below


Sold 500,000 units @ 115.01
Sold 125,410 units @ 152.00
Sold 1640 units @ 114.00

I know getting the average of 3 prices wouldn't work since I sold more units at lower price than higher price.

Yes, its now public that I'm no accountant ok?

Forceflow
Chernobyl Trading Corporation
Posted - 2009.01.15 04:15:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Brock Nelson
Didn't warrent its own thread but how do you calculate the average price if you have something like this below


Sold 500,000 units @ 115.01
Sold 125,410 units @ 152.00
Sold 1640 units @ 114.00

I know getting the average of 3 prices wouldn't work since I sold more units at lower price than higher price.

Yes, its now public that I'm no accountant ok?


It would be your total money recieved divided by the total volume sold.

Quick Cal: Final avg price = 122.41 (rounded to 0.01) for your 627050 units.

Loaby
Amarr
Imperial Forces
Posted - 2009.01.15 07:05:00 - [145]
 

yeah, its:

sold x1 @ y1
sold x2 @ y2
sold x3 @ y3

average price = ((x1 x y1) + (x2 x y2) + (x3 x y3)) / (x1 + x2 + x3)

MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Posted - 2009.01.16 19:17:00 - [146]
 

BTW, just for completeness, that formula (above) is called a "weighted average". A "simple average" would be the "(y1 + y2 + y3) / 3" formula.

MDD

Loaby
Amarr
Imperial Forces
Posted - 2009.01.17 17:26:00 - [147]
 

sometimes it happens that i place i sell order at lowest price of all sell orders and then someone buys something from me but the sell-price shown in the wallet is the price of the seller above me. why?

Lord Zarcam
Amarr
Posted - 2009.01.17 23:34:00 - [148]
 

Another quickie question, at what point does negative faction standings interfere with travel for trading?

Today while running a few missions I noticed I was at a -2.3 or -2.5 with Minitar Faction. I remember reading a few weeks ago that as a trader I need avoid any negative faction standings if possible. Is it time I start running some Mini's missions?

Johnny Rockefeller
Edge Technologies
Posted - 2009.01.18 06:17:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Loaby
sometimes it happens that i place i sell order at lowest price of all sell orders and then someone buys something from me but the sell-price shown in the wallet is the price of the seller above me. why?


Ooo I can totally answer that one. When you buy something off the market, you always buy from the lowest sell order in your station, even if you try to buy from a higher one. If you try to buy from a higher one, you just pay that higher price to the person that was selling it for less.

MailDeadDrop
Rage and Terror
Posted - 2009.01.18 07:25:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Loaby
sometimes it happens that i place i sell order at lowest price of all sell orders and then someone buys something from me but the sell-price shown in the wallet is the price of the seller above me. why?

Originally by: Johnny Rockefeller
Ooo I can totally answer that one. When you buy something off the market, you always buy from the lowest sell order in your station, even if you try to buy from a higher one. If you try to buy from a higher one, you just pay that higher price to the person that was selling it for less.

Good answer Johnny. To illuminate, think about the process this way: when the buyer clicks on a line and says "buy", they are saying "I'm willing to pay this price for this item". Therefore, the system takes that amount of ISK out of their wallet. But the *broker* system always matches purchase orders with the lowest-cost available item in the selected station. A slightly more intelligent purchase/broker system would refund the excess to the buyer, but that would simply increase the lag in Jita. Very Happy

MDD


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