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Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2010.07.29 19:22:00 - [481]
 

Originally by: Bernard Schuyler
For someone brand new at trading, are there any tips on picking a station or stations to get your feet


A quick glance at the market gives you a good starting point.

- Open the market.

- Go through a dozen or so items commonly used, like Rifter, Drake, Damage Control II, Large Shield Extender II, Ogre II ... you get it. Adjust the list to the type of goods you'd like to sell (minerals, cap production parts, <your trading field>)

- Take note of the system(s)/station(s) where most (both number of orders and volume) of them are sold.

- Pick the station that seems to be the best for your trading wishes.

Marshiro
Posted - 2010.07.30 07:47:00 - [482]
 

Okay, new question.

1. Is there some way you can improve the speed of loading orders in the market window and computing averages in the price window? Some folks are giving me numbers like 30minutes to update a tycoon V worth of orders, but my experience in jita requires me to wait some 10~20 seconds to have everything loaded more often than not. Is this a bandwidth problem, client problem or server problem?

2. What do you do when evemon is clogged up with more than a quadrillion orders or something? Is there a way to clear the history (okay, maybe i should ask in Battleclinic, but i figure folks of MD probably face this issue a lot) and make it run faster?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2010.07.30 11:14:00 - [483]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 31/07/2010 08:08:38
Originally by: Marshiro
Okay, new question.
2. What do you do when evemon is clogged up with more than a quadrillion orders or something? Is there a way to clear the history (okay, maybe i should ask in Battleclinic, but i figure folks of MD probably face this issue a lot) and make it run faster?


You might want to try a dedicated trader tool like EMMA, EVE Trader, EVE Meep, (bias alert:) EVEWalletAware etc. The Market Resources wiki lists some apps along with the link to their web site or EO forum thread.

[Edit]
Link to Wiki added

Dino2d
Posted - 2010.07.30 20:36:00 - [484]
 

Is there a way to see the demand in a single solar syste or station that is in the same region as you are. For example i am traveling from Arant to Vale( Both in same region) and i want to check what is in demand in Vale but i dont wanna waste time browsing through all products from which some are not in demand on Vale.

Thank you
Dino

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2010.07.31 01:00:00 - [485]
 

Originally by: Marshiro
1. Is there some way you can improve the speed of loading orders in the market window and computing averages in the price window?
Cache cleaning helps this.
Originally by: Dino2d
Is there a way to see the demand in a single solar system or station that is in the same region as you are.
No.

Blatantly Obvious
Posted - 2010.07.31 14:23:00 - [486]
 

Hey, I'm curious about what industrial to train for, on the way to getting into perhaps a freighter at some point. I also wonder if the gallente freighter undocks more easily than the other races due to its vertical size. :)

Tekota
The Freighter Factory
Posted - 2010.08.04 17:34:00 - [487]
 

Originally by: Blatantly Obvious
Hey, I'm curious about what industrial to train for, on the way to getting into perhaps a freighter at some point. I also wonder if the gallente freighter undocks more easily than the other races due to its vertical size. :)


Can't really go wrong with Gal industrial - by far and away the best T1 indy when levelled to skill V and a spacious well rounded freighter. If you're only interested in training a T1 indy to skill IV then the Min Mammoth is your best bet; Min also have a very handy blockade runner for wormholes (2 high slots), but the smallest freighter (albeit the most "nimble") if you were to take Min indy to level V. Truth be told there's not a whole lot of difference in the freighters, but the T1 level V gal indy is good enough to sway the choice in many cases to gallente.

Really not sure if any dock easier or not - though my observations are it makes naff all difference. Amarr make the prettiest freighter tho :o)

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.08.06 18:03:00 - [488]
 

Edited by: Lucyna on 06/08/2010 18:22:22
Edited by: Lucyna on 06/08/2010 18:21:13
It's usually worth it to train to Amarr Industrial I to get the Bestower, truely the best bang for the SP required. From there you can train other races (Minmatar and Gallente are good), but if you are taking the path to Freighter, it doesn't really matter what the best bang for your SP is, because you are committed to taking Industrial to level V anyway.

Comparison (remember, all get 5% increase in cargo and velocity per level)
Unskilled:
Frenir:
Max Velocity
80 m/sec
Mass
820,000,000 kg
Capacity
720,000 m3

Obelisk:
Max Velocity
65 m/sec
Mass
940,000,000 kg
Capacity
750,000 m3

Providence (soooo pretty)
Max Velocity
70 m/sec
Mass
900,000,000 kg
Capacity
735,000 m3

Charon:
Max Velocity
60 m/sec
Mass
960,000,000 kg
Capacity
785,000 m3

So, if you are not planning on having others web you to instawarp, then the Fenrir is your best bet; it's much smaller mass makes it more agile.

You also might want to read this. Why not to buy a Freighter

Also
Originally by: Seragon

Possible loot > Cost to gank
Cost to gank = Ships to gank * Ship cost

Possible loot = Freighter cargo * 50%
Possible loot = Freighter cargo / 2

Ships to gank = freighter EHP / (1 ship dps * time before concord)

Ship cost = (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)

Freighter cargo / 2 > (Freighter EHP (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single ship DPS * Time before Concord)


So in the end if...

Freighter Cargo > (2 * Freighter EHP * Time before concord * (Initial Price + Insurance Cost + Mod Cost - Insurance Payout)) / (Single Ship DPS)



Keep that formula in mind before you undock.

PureMurder
Posted - 2010.08.06 21:28:00 - [489]
 

Firstly, awesome answers and thanks! And I agree, the providence is beautiful -- could be the determining factor in choosing ships when the difference in performance is so small. Sorry about my response here, not trying to be a know-it-all but... well there aren't many people you can discuss these things with so... :)

The suicide formula could have included the mod drop rate of the suiciding ships, if you have time to scoop that up (% based for how often it gets looted before you can get to it or whatever).

Also, I think you might be able to exceed the profitability line a little because it would be hard for people to justify killing you for like 1 ISK if you went 1 isk over.

Doing a little self-trading-hauling between bordering regions, I've decided that there isn't actually much isk to be gained by doing so. Finding a route that will make 1m/trip is actually pretty hard and the time just isn't worth it. It's entirely possible that I'm "doing it wrong", so any comments here are appreciated (how to find a route). Currently I'm just going off eve-central, uploading market data and looking for trades region to region or intra-region. I find also that it's very hard to determine what trades involve me going into low sec.

Just curious - I figure that the most popular races for suicide gankers = amarr and minmatar but I'm not sure. Any comments on that?

Further, I'm looking for some indy software that will let me calculate the reprocess values of different items in the game so that I can trade better. Any help here would be greatly appreciated!

EdwardNardella
Capital Construction Research
Posted - 2010.08.08 18:19:00 - [490]
 

I suspect that this question may be acceptable in its own thread but I figured I would ask here first.

I am looking for systems with a high trade volume but are not in the top 10 most populated systems. In other words, what systems are market hubs that aren't listed here:

1 Jita
2 Rens
3 Amarr
4 Dodixie
5 Oursulaert
6 Motsu
7 Arnon
8 Hek
9 Akiainavas
10 Penirgman

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2010.08.09 01:11:00 - [491]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 09/08/2010 01:13:01
Secondary mission hubs like Lustrevik. Entry (or near-entry) systems to 0.0 like Esescama or Orvolle.

But of course "high trade volume" is a relativ term. Compared to all four major hubs, the volumes aren't really high. Compared to some low sec dead end out in the void, on the other hand ...

Kei Darker
Posted - 2010.08.10 01:58:00 - [492]
 

Hello Hello. Just a quick question. I feel like it isn't worth making a new thread for, so I'll just put it here.

Here it is: What is a good calculation for what price I should sell a blueprint copy at once I manufacture it? I have a few BPOs and I've researched some ME into a few of them and would like to start copying away and selling. I'm relatively new to eve and looking to start this business venture, but am not sure what prices I should be selling BPCs at once I make them and trying to figure if it would be better to make the BPCs or just use the BPOs to make ships and sell them.

Thanks in advance.


Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.08.10 04:25:00 - [493]
 

Another question...

I've heard that people at the top end of the trade money-makers are either using or manipulating markets that are contract only (like faction ships). Is there some strategy or does it just take a crapload of capital and some manipulation to make the ISK in these markets?

Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
Posted - 2010.08.11 04:37:00 - [494]
 

Originally by: Kei Darker
What is a good calculation for what price I should sell a blueprint copy at once I manufacture it?

Try this recent thread in Science and Industry: Linkage

Serene Python
Posted - 2010.08.19 21:45:00 - [495]
 

So I've wanted to mess about with the market for a while. Been buying goods from a mission hub and selling stuff there as well... I got the hang of testing the waters but I'm only making roughly 1-2m profit a day so I'm wondering what else I need to do to be able to make much more than this. I've got almost 100m just sitting in my wallet that I'm unsure of how to use to make more isk. Suggestions?

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.08.19 22:04:00 - [496]
 

Originally by: Serene Python
So I've wanted to mess about with the market for a while. Been buying goods from a mission hub and selling stuff there as well... I got the hang of testing the waters but I'm only making roughly 1-2m profit a day so I'm wondering what else I need to do to be able to make much more than this. I've got almost 100m just sitting in my wallet that I'm unsure of how to use to make more isk. Suggestions?


Seems like it's time to expand to other places. Look at the hubs prices. Their sell orders might not be as high as some of the mission hubs, but what you lose in margins you make up for in volume. Also, you can try branching out into different regions as well.

Check eve-metrics.com for pricing around Eve.

Serene Python
Posted - 2010.08.20 00:42:00 - [497]
 

Originally by: Lucyna
Originally by: Serene Python
So I've wanted to mess about with the market for a while. Been buying goods from a mission hub and selling stuff there as well... I got the hang of testing the waters but I'm only making roughly 1-2m profit a day so I'm wondering what else I need to do to be able to make much more than this. I've got almost 100m just sitting in my wallet that I'm unsure of how to use to make more isk. Suggestions?


Seems like it's time to expand to other places. Look at the hubs prices. Their sell orders might not be as high as some of the mission hubs, but what you lose in margins you make up for in volume. Also, you can try branching out into different regions as well.

Check eve-metrics.com for pricing around Eve.

I actually am avoiding trade hubs cause of the 0.01 isk wars. I'll check out moving the goods out to other mission areas, anything else I could try doing as well?

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.08.20 16:41:00 - [498]
 

Originally by: Serene Python
Originally by: Lucyna
Originally by: Serene Python
...
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I actually am avoiding trade hubs cause of the 0.01 isk wars. I'll check out moving the goods out to other mission areas, anything else I could try doing as well?


Typically you can find higher buy prices than your buy prices at hubs, or you can ship your items to hubs and list them right in the middle of buy and sell orders to move them quickly at hubs, no 0.01 isking. This is more true of Sell than it is of buy orders at hubs.

You could set up more buy orders around other mission hubs. If you still aren't getting the volume you want, go ahead and find other items or move into another station.

Serene Python
Posted - 2010.08.24 02:47:00 - [499]
 

Originally by: Lucyna
Originally by: Serene Python
Originally by: Lucyna
Originally by: Serene Python
...
...

I actually am avoiding trade hubs cause of the 0.01 isk wars. I'll check out moving the goods out to other mission areas, anything else I could try doing as well?


Typically you can find higher buy prices than your buy prices at hubs, or you can ship your items to hubs and list them right in the middle of buy and sell orders to move them quickly at hubs, no 0.01 isking. This is more true of Sell than it is of buy orders at hubs.

You could set up more buy orders around other mission hubs. If you still aren't getting the volume you want, go ahead and find other items or move into another station.

Alright thanks will try this and see how I do.

Lillith Starfire
Posted - 2010.09.11 12:09:00 - [500]
 

Sorry to ask noob question but how do bonds and loans work? I have been reading this forum with interest but can not find out how these things work. Is it just a case of people asking for 123 ISK and then it is up to them to repay the interest and the original amount? Or is there some kind of in game mechanism to enable all this? Do you have to be in a player corp?

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.11 18:20:00 - [501]
 

Originally by: Lillith Starfire
Sorry to ask noob question but how do bonds and loans work? I have been reading this forum with interest but can not find out how these things work. Is it just a case of people asking for 123 ISK and then it is up to them to repay the interest and the original amount? Or is there some kind of in game mechanism to enable all this? Do you have to be in a player corp?


The very basic of investments is you give your money to a player offering equity or bonds. They work in slightly different ways.

Stock
Bond

One in-game mechanic for issuing return on investments is the dividend function, which can be used in the corporation window. To answer your question on having to be in a player corp, no you really don't. People pay out "manual dividends" by keeping track of who invested what amount then paying them out based on how much they've invested.

You can see many examples of bonds and several examples of stock in the forum. Also, check out the eve wiki on investing in EVE.

Remember, there are no secure bonds or IPOs (initial public offerings of stock), the people who run the investments can usually walk away with the entire investment at any time and pay out nothing, resulting in a total loss for you.

Samroski
Games Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.15 11:39:00 - [502]
 

What happens to market orders when you deactivate an account?

Do they continue to buy and sell?

Could one reactivate the account 3 months later and reap in profits on long term orders? :)

Taji Kann
Caldari
Bright Exports Ltd
Posted - 2010.09.16 06:52:00 - [503]
 

Originally by: Samroski
What happens to market orders when you deactivate an account?

Do they continue to buy and sell?

Could one reactivate the account 3 months later and reap in profits on long term orders? :)


Yes and yes. Done that a few times.
Unsubbed. Later re-subbed to fat wallet (and some filled/expired buy orders too).

Your long term success with this depends of course on whether the market stays stable,
falls or rises for a particular item and its volume movement.

Gamarabi
Sweeper Group
Posted - 2010.09.17 11:19:00 - [504]
 

Does anyone know of a thread that would point out stable public companies? If there isn't a thread could anyone make suggestions on good public companies to purchase shares in?

Imperator Principes
Minmatar
Muppets With Gunz
Posted - 2010.09.17 18:37:00 - [505]
 

Originally by: gamarabi
Does anyone know of a thread that would point out stable public companies? If there isn't a thread could anyone make suggestions on good public companies to purchase shares in?


I would look at either the LLSE or the BSAC.

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2010.09.17 19:53:00 - [506]
 

Edited by: Hel O''Ween on 17/09/2010 19:53:20
Originally by: gamarabi
Does anyone know of a thread that would point out stable public companies? If there isn't a thread could anyone make suggestions on good public companies to purchase shares in?


Ironically, the Titans4U scam alert thread also list a couple of the successful past and current non-scamming business. Read from here. They're not all open for new investments now, though. But you might find some names to watch out for in the future.

Grey Wind
Posted - 2010.09.21 23:56:00 - [507]
 

Most likely a newb question frequently asked. But I am looking into getting a trading alt going, and have absolutely NO bloody idea how all this trade **** works as far as people that make good money on it. Is there any group that teaches basics to people, a public channel new folks can go to in order to learn how to do this stuff...Basically anything to help me go from "I R NEWB" to "I know how this **** works"

Misha M'Liena
Amarr
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.09.22 10:01:00 - [508]
 

Grey wind. First off. Read. Then read some more. There's the stickies. In the stickies are **Guides** (novel concept reading guides on being a trader i know) Then read some more.
You will learn alot.

with regards Misha.

PinkFish
Posted - 2010.09.25 02:39:00 - [509]
 

I'm looking at the profit potential of various moon material reactions and I'm trying to understand market pressures therefrom. Specifically I'm holding a medium sized stock of Fernite Carbide and I'm attempting to understand how it's price relates to some sort of equilibrium.

When I cost out creating Fernite Carbide it yields a profit of ~680k per batch, putting it in the lower-middle of the field for profitability. Then I look at things like Nanotransistors which produce something like 1.6m per batch. My question is why is there so much resistance to price change on Fernite Carbide when market forces should push people away from creating it as fast as they do? Why do people react the less-profitable goods?

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.09.27 01:44:00 - [510]
 

Originally by: PinkFish
I'm looking at the profit potential of various moon material reactions and I'm trying to understand market pressures therefrom. Specifically I'm holding a medium sized stock of Fernite Carbide and I'm attempting to understand how it's price relates to some sort of equilibrium.

When I cost out creating Fernite Carbide it yields a profit of ~680k per batch, putting it in the lower-middle of the field for profitability. Then I look at things like Nanotransistors which produce something like 1.6m per batch. My question is why is there so much resistance to price change on Fernite Carbide when market forces should push people away from creating it as fast as they do? Why do people react the less-profitable goods?


Have you considered folks who have the moons to produce Fernite Carbide, but perhaps lack the moons to make Nanotransistors? There may be a cost to exporting the "wrong" materials and/or importing the "right" ones.

Alternately, there's the tried and true "not everybody figures out their profits" theory.


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