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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:12:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: NyteTyger
What is the 'proper' structure for a short term loan with collateral? What repayment terms and interest rates would be considered the average?


110% collateral, more if the collateral varies in price significantly

5%/month, you may get bites for shorter time periods, but minimum is usually 1 month.

NyteTyger
Gallente
NiteSun Enterprises
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:40:00 - [362]
 

Originally by: SetrakDark
Originally by: NyteTyger
What is the 'proper' structure for a short term loan with collateral? What repayment terms and interest rates would be considered the average?


110% collateral, more if the collateral varies in price significantly

5%/month, you may get bites for shorter time periods, but minimum is usually 1 month.


Thanks for the quick reply!

How is collateral usually handled? Held by a 3rd party?

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens
Posted - 2009.12.30 17:49:00 - [363]
 

Originally by: NyteTyger
How is collateral usually handled? Held by a 3rd party?


Could be, but that will cost you. Best to go with a trusted lender who will just hold it. Cosmoray, BMBE, EBank.

Throw a thread up and someone should bite pretty fast.

xythyl
Gallente
Scientia Industries
Posted - 2010.01.01 00:14:00 - [364]
 

Is there an application / tool to tell one when an item is outbid in the sell / buy orders category?


Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
Posted - 2010.01.01 22:20:00 - [365]
 

Originally by: xythyl
Is there an application / tool to tell one when an item is outbid in the sell / buy orders category?




Nope. Its my understanding such a program would be forbidden.

Proton Power
Amarr
Retirement Retreat
Posted - 2010.01.02 14:57:00 - [366]
 

Originally by: Athre
Originally by: xythyl
Is there an application / tool to tell one when an item is outbid in the sell / buy orders category?




Nope. Its my understanding such a program would be forbidden.


It would be so cool though Very Happy

Princess Korella
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.06 23:32:00 - [367]
 

How do I set up a contract to buy BPCs instead of BPOs? When I try setting up an item exchange contract and search for my blueprint it defaults to the BPO and I can't figure out how to specify that I want a copy. Can I also specify that I want ME 0 and PE 0?

Princess Korella
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.01.06 23:47:00 - [368]
 

what is an appropriate price to ask for a Hammerhead I BPC with no added research (ME0, PE0). I would like to buy BPCs for invention but all the contracts I've seen are selling BPC with extremely high ME and PE for prices that would not make invention profitable.

Ulf Raben
Gallente
Posted - 2010.01.08 19:23:00 - [369]
 

Edited by: Ulf Raben on 08/01/2010 19:28:28
I am totally new to the market forums
Regarding the auctions I have a few quetions :

1. What is a "BUMP"
2. When U bid on something .. and in case ur bid is best
.. HOW ? ... is the transaction finalized ? ... with
other words as the auction takes place outside the
normal trading place in EVE .. how can seller and buyer
be sure to get what is stated ? ..
How does that work ?

3. If an auction is ongoing and Bids are appearing
.. can eventual bidders withdraw their bids ?

I would be grateful for some simple explanations

Thank You .. Ulf Raben

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2010.01.08 19:55:00 - [370]
 

Edited by: Dretzle Omega on 08/01/2010 19:56:06
Originally by: Princess Korella
what is an appropriate price to ask for a Hammerhead I BPC with no added research (ME0, PE0). I would like to buy BPCs for invention but all the contracts I've seen are selling BPC with extremely high ME and PE for prices that would not make invention profitable.


ME0 And PE0 you can get from the market. Hammerheads are Gallente drones, so NPCs should be selling them in Gallente space. You'll probably find some in other space at a markup.

EDIT: Sorry, I didn't read that you were looking for BPCs. It shouldn't matter if you get > ME or PE, as long as you still only pay what you want for it. You may have to work this out with a research company.

Originally by: Ulf Raben
Edited by: Ulf Raben on 08/01/2010 19:28:28
I am totally new to the market forums
Regarding the auctions I have a few quetions :

1. What is a "BUMP"
2. When U bid on something .. and in case ur bid is best
.. HOW ? ... is the transaction finalized ? ... with
other words as the auction takes place outside the
normal trading place in EVE .. how can seller and buyer
be sure to get what is stated ? ..
How does that work ?

3. If an auction is ongoing and Bids are appearing
.. can eventual bidders withdraw their bids ?

I would be grateful for some simple explanations

Thank You .. Ulf Raben



1. A Bump is just a post. It happens to "bump" the thread up to the top of the first page of that section of the forums. I believe the rules are to not just have the word "bump" in that post, but to also have something to say, even if it's just like "waiting for more bids".

2. Usually.... contracts. Unless the auction is more complicated, like a service he wants to render you, in which case you have to be able to trust the other person.

But at the end of an auction the auctioneer should accept the highest bid and work it out with you in-game.

3. Yes, bids have been retracted, for various reasons.

Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
Posted - 2010.01.09 14:38:00 - [371]
 

I've noticed that almost 45% of the market in jita has barely any profit left for example notice the warp disruptors t2 sell and buy price is almost indentical.I can understand that t2 producers want to get rid of stock easy but who is the big brain that is placing 100 units buy order at margin of 15-25k per module?This same tendency has carried over other items aswell what could be the cause of this?

Dretzle Omega
Caldari
Global Economy Experts
Posted - 2010.01.11 15:04:00 - [372]
 

Originally by: Grozen
I've noticed that almost 45% of the market in jita has barely any profit left for example notice the warp disruptors t2 sell and buy price is almost indentical.I can understand that t2 producers want to get rid of stock easy but who is the big brain that is placing 100 units buy order at margin of 15-25k per module?This same tendency has carried over other items aswell what could be the cause of this?


I haven't looked at those particular items, but at times as buy orders are creeping up, or sell orders are creeping down, the margin will be slim to non-existant. They can even rise so that the buy orders start buying out the sell orders. Looking at the price history you might see fluctuations with rises and falls attributed to this. It's not likely that someone posted a sell order first when the buy order was so high so that, with broker fees, he would have been better off selling to the buy order.

But keep looking. There are still items, even in Jita, worth trading in that keep a decent spread. Or you can take your knowledge from what you've been noticing and bank on future wells in the market, buying when low and either selling when demand rises or posting a sell order for the buy orders to catch up to.

Kalrand
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.01.11 15:10:00 - [373]
 

Who uses t2 warp disruptors for anything?

Veloni
Posted - 2010.01.14 20:21:00 - [374]
 

I wanted to have a go at trading, because well, it's refreshing to do something else then blowing stuff up.
If my intial experiments go well I might get a second account that focuses on it.

That said, trading between stations atm isn't my thing, because of my limited hauling capacitity.

So basicly what I am doing atm is, place buy orders for items that have a good margin between the highest buy order and the lowest sell order.

I buy a certain amount of that, play the 0,0001 isk wars on the buy orders untill I get the items, then put up sell orders, and try to sell them with a profit.

Am I doing it right, or is there some stupid mistake that I'm doing?

Later if I decide to go larger, is it needed to focus on one thing, for example just trading between and in stations with buy/sell orders.
Or do people generally also focus on things as manufacturing? Or is that just not possible due to having to spread your SP to much around.

Drake Modain
Raata Invicti
Reckoning.
Posted - 2010.01.14 23:36:00 - [375]
 

So I hear mention of traders talking about "MD" channels. I'm assuming this has something to do with widespread market chat channels where people maybe place or offer big orders? can anyone give me info on this?

Glen1806
Posted - 2010.01.15 11:13:00 - [376]
 

any idea when the price of hulks will go down ???Crying or Very sad

Deimos Draganov
Posted - 2010.01.15 19:27:00 - [377]
 

Edited by: Deimos Draganov on 15/01/2010 19:49:09
I have a general question related to issuing bonds. I am thinking of issuing a small bond for my Corporation, to help me have a little more capital to flex my trading muscle (now that I understand the system a lot better).

As I, and my company, are fairly new to the game I do not expect to be able to float anything that big (untrusted, unproven) but I think that maybe a 1,000,000,000 ISK amount would be reasonable.

My question is this, are these bonds traded in the game as the companies' shares, or do they just exist on a conceptual and trust level?

Onyth
Had Holdings
Posted - 2010.01.17 22:32:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: Deimos Draganov
Edited by: Deimos Draganov on 15/01/2010 19:49:09
I have a general question related to issuing bonds. I am thinking of issuing a small bond for my Corporation, to help me have a little more capital to flex my trading muscle (now that I understand the system a lot better).

As I, and my company, are fairly new to the game I do not expect to be able to float anything that big (untrusted, unproven) but I think that maybe a 1,000,000,000 ISK amount would be reasonable.

My question is this, are these bonds traded in the game as the companies' shares, or do they just exist on a conceptual and trust level?


You might want to consider getting a loan, definatly if you can provide sufficient collateral you shouldn't have any problems getting one (a few posts above its nicely explained how much collateral should do).

If you don't want to get a loan, then try to look for a bond/ipo thread (preferably a good one xD) but you should be able to see that at the reactions more experianced people than me gave to them.

And mostly shares are given out to easily distribute profits, but in essense that's not 'nessesary', if you can keep track of your investors without shares and want to take the extra effort to turn out a fair share of the profits to everyone manually, I doubt anyone will complain.

Deimos Draganov
Posted - 2010.01.18 00:15:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Onyth
You might want to consider getting a loan, definatly if you can provide sufficient collateral you shouldn't have any problems getting one (a few posts above its nicely explained how much collateral should do).

If you don't want to get a loan, then try to look for a bond/ipo thread (preferably a good one xD) but you should be able to see that at the reactions more experianced people than me gave to them.

And mostly shares are given out to easily distribute profits, but in essense that's not 'nessesary', if you can keep track of your investors without shares and want to take the extra effort to turn out a fair share of the profits to everyone manually, I doubt anyone will complain.


Thank you for youre advice, it is much appreciated.

Roger Kiyosaki
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.01.21 14:23:00 - [380]
 

Hey MD, quick question:

Is there a channel out there in Eve for buying/selling shares/bonds?
I believe something like a trading floor could be beneficial with proper moderation.

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.01.23 08:53:00 - [381]
 

Originally by: Roger Kiyosaki
Is there a channel out there in Eve for buying/selling shares/bonds?
I believe something like a trading floor could be beneficial with proper moderation.

You are overestimating the trade volume.

There are a few loosely trade-related chat channels in which you might find buyers or sellers for publicly traded shares, many MDers will hang out in scc-lounge and/or Signatures.

Then there is a forum thread doing exactly what you would like to see: The 2010 stock exchange tracker.

And a (very new) mailing list who could/can also be used to this purpose: Market Alerts Mailing List.

Chat channels have the big disadvantage of both buyer and seller having to be online at the same time.

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens
Posted - 2010.01.23 14:38:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
You are overestimating the trade volume.

Chat channels have the big disadvantage of both buyer and seller having to be online at the same time.


^

Sgt MaxFightmaster
Posted - 2010.02.07 07:26:00 - [383]
 

I'm not entirely sure I understand the concept of collateral with respect to bonds/ipos. If I have x$ backing up an investment that means that money is not being used in a money making capacity. So, for a 10 bil isk bond if I have it backed up by 10 bil isk in assets/cap that's a lot of money that is not being used to make investments.

If the collateral was, say a BPO or a POS, then for it to still be making its ROI it would need to be in use, which I would assume would mean that it would need to be in the owners' hands to maintain income from it (ie I could not give the BPO to someone else to hold onto as then it would not be in use and making me money).

I do understand it in the case of a courier contract, just not as I have seen it in Bonds. Am I missing something here?

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.02.07 09:44:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: Sgt MaxFightmaster
If the collateral was, say a BPO or a POS, then for it to still be making its ROI it would need to be in use, which I would assume would mean that it would need to be in the owners' hands to maintain income from it (ie I could not give the BPO to someone else to hold onto as then it would not be in use and making me money).

You are basically right but missing some of the finer points.

BPOs don't have to be in your possession to be used for manufacturing or to be researched. They can be locked down by a 3rd party and still be used by yourself.

Many people own unused "collectables" that they wouldn't mind giving away for a month or two but that would be hard to liquidate and reacquire.

(Only stupid investors would value these at anything more than the value of instant liquidation)

Everyone who is giving a liquid asset (such as a freighter) as collateral is just trying to grind some reputation and has no real need for the money.

Sgt MaxFightmaster
Posted - 2010.02.07 21:31:00 - [385]
 

Ok, makes sense, particularly the point about the freighter, cause I can't see how anyone would lock up that much of their capital.

So then, how do you find a 3rd party that is trustworthy? Seems like at the end of the day there's always the trust issue.

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.02.09 04:58:00 - [386]
 

For reputable third parties, you usually look at people who have either a reputation specifically as a third party (e.g. cosmoray, Chribba) or have less to gain from yoinking your stuff than they do from maintaing good relations with the rest of MD. For example, I wouldn't mind being a third party to a venture that needed collateral held for, say, 1b - but I don't feel that I would be the right person to hold 100b in, say, T2 BPOs - simply because I've provided no real proof that I can be trusted with that much in assets. The rule of thumb, imho, is that the person should have more disincentive to scam than incentive, as much as can be arranged for.

Not that I'm saying I would scam if somebody needed me to lock down 100b in t2 bpos, mind you, just that I don't feel that my current disincentives to scam from a purely external viewpoint don't justify that much trust in myself.

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2010.02.09 05:09:00 - [387]
 

Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 09/02/2010 05:33:45
Getting to learn the market graphs a little more intimately. When you seen the median price sitting at the top of the donchian channel my understanding is that >50% of the orders for the day were done off of the same sell order which had the max price of the day.

Is that the correct understanding?

Also, what do yall take from that? Is it price manipulation, or what? I'm not sure why it would end up like that.

Maybe if someone was buying out all of the stocks in a region and bought out all of the low quantity items, and the sell order at the top of the channel was the cheapest one that had significant quantity?

Also, I read on evelopedia that the lines on the median represent the "high/low" prices. What interpretation do you put on the difference between that spread and the donchian channel, like seeing the low end of the median spread hit the bottom of the donchian channel shows that there are really stupid/ignorant players here who will fill lowball orders regularly. Or on the high end that there are people lazy enough to spend that much extra? Or am I overthinking this one.

Edit: Also, how lucrative are the insanely low ball bids? Seems to me that that just starts the .1 game just to catch those 1 in a 100 that don't know how much something is worth (or don't know how the market system works.) How many (% wise) of your orders will people put into those? Seems like they are really low probability of firing and require a LOT of oversight.

Aeneidae
Caldari
Quallity Assurance Business Unit
Posted - 2010.02.09 16:54:00 - [388]
 

Quick easy question: What channel are you all guys into(Breaker, Cosmo, VV, Raw, etc, etc)? Would love to hang there and just read and maybe learn some new things. :)

SetrakDark
DarkCorp Citizens Holdings
DarkCorp Citizens
Posted - 2010.02.09 20:46:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Aeneidae
Quick easy question: What channel are you all guys into(Breaker, Cosmo, VV, Raw, etc, etc)? Would love to hang there and just read and maybe learn some new things. :)


"scc-lounge" and "signatures"

Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
Posted - 2010.02.10 00:36:00 - [390]
 

Edited by: Grozen on 10/02/2010 00:37:06
Edited by: Grozen on 10/02/2010 00:36:47
Did this venture went ok or not?
BSAC mineral market manipulation
Interested to find out but wasn't around at the time.


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