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Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.07.16 15:50:00 - [301]
 

Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: PecuniaNon Olet
Hi,
i need to trace some of my market transaction, unfortunately i can only go 1month backwards in my wallet history.
Is there any way how to access older logs (i need only last 3months logs aprox.)?


Unfortunately no. The only way to do this is to proactively dump your market logs periodically, and append them together. The unique transaction ID can help you throw out duplicate records.

I believe some of the player made tools (EMMA and so forth) do a lot of this for you. I made a homebrew system that I still play with from time to time, I might make it public some day if it gets decent enough but at the moment it's a clumsy piece of crap that only it's daddy could love.



EVE MEEP
EMMA
EVE Wallet

Those are the three I can think of off the top of my head that keep the transaction log you dump into them from your API.

Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.07.16 15:56:00 - [302]
 

Originally by: hokyl
I have a freighter whats the best way to use it?


This is probably answered elsewhere in the thread... but at any rate:

Short answer: hauling massive quantities of goods, of course.

Long answer: The most lucrative deals in EVE are often formed between players, not solely through in game mechanics. Review the Sell Forums for similar services (I think Red Frog does a regular frieghter service), and advertise your own. Things that will help you get going:

Include your availability: when can you be on, how soon do you expect to be able to complete deliveries, are there certain regions you would prefer to operate in?

Include your pricing model: give players some idea what your expectations are. As a newcomer you'll probably have to bid lower than competing offerings, or have some other marketable reason why players should choose your service.

Have some collateral: Often frieght is arranged via courier contracts. Your customer will be more willing to trust you with their cargo if you can financially guarantee its arrival.

Of course, you could just park the freighter in Jita and hope for random courier contracts. But you'd probably make more isk mining in an industrial ship.


Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2009.07.23 18:47:00 - [303]
 

Originally by: Kazzac Elentria


EVE MEEP
EMMA
EVE Wallet

Those are the three I can think of off the top of my head that keep the transaction log you dump into them from your API.


*Cough* That's EVEWalletAware or EWA, if you prefer a shorter name, not "EVE Wallet". Wink

Locin WeEda
Gallente
Red Frog Investments
Posted - 2009.07.23 20:43:00 - [304]
 

Originally by: hokyl
I have a freighter whats the best way to use it?


The best way to use a freighter is to check with us, and see if we have any available positions for freighter pilots :)
You are of course free to create a competing service as well, or you can use it in combination with trading in bulk items or large items (minerals and ships for instance), or as support for other industry related activities.

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2009.07.24 01:54:00 - [305]
 

Originally by: Locin WeEda
Originally by: hokyl
I have a freighter whats the best way to use it?


The best way to use a freighter is to check with us, and see if we have any available positions for freighter pilots :)
You are of course free to create a competing service as well, or you can use it in combination with trading in bulk items or large items (minerals and ships for instance), or as support for other industry related activities.



On that note, I have a freighter pilot who I would be interested in finding employment for, if the pay's decent. I have the funds to buy him an obelisk but haven't had any reason to - he's got gallente freighter 4.

Zamaranth Sesta
Posted - 2009.07.29 22:18:00 - [306]
 

Ok, I guess this is the place for the questions that I'd cringe to ask with a new topic on the main MD.

I've been "trading" on my main in a few regional markets...I guess.... buying stuff cheap from missioners, pirates, and people who bought the wrong thing and placing the things for sale at full price in a central station in that thinly serviced market. It will take a few days for things to sell usually.

The type of trading I've been doing requires a periodic runs scooping up the stuff from the stations I bought it at (hasty sellers usually want to sell immediately where they're at else they'd truck the stuff to a real trade hub I think). I've done a little bit of buying in one system and selling in another.

I've heard all these people talking about growing their money quickly buying and selling at one trade hub station and I set up an alt to do that.

Looking at the markets though, the difference between buy and sell is under 10% for most items.

I know making a few percent an item would add up, but it looks to me that you'd really need to be online constantly playing 1 cent up to even buy or sell anything.

Unless you eventually had 1 billion plus daily volume, all that time logging in and changing prices every 15 minutes could easily be outpaced by missions and stuff, which I don't really love, but .01 cents isn't much fun either.

I know that no one will tell me what to trade ... that would mess up their own profits.

My questions are

are the markets particularly tight now in Jita ?

if I look harder there should I be able to find stuff that I'll be able to buy and sell there changing prices only a few times a day ?

Is it really movement in price of an item over a few days what you need to trade on a less active scale...is it more speculation than market making?

Hamno
The Hamno Corp
Posted - 2009.07.31 02:28:00 - [307]
 

Originally by: Zamaranth Sesta

My questions are

are the markets particularly tight now in Jita ?

if I look harder there should I be able to find stuff that I'll be able to buy and sell there changing prices only a few times a day ?

Is it really movement in price of an item over a few days what you need to trade on a less active scale...is it more speculation than market making?


The markets in Jita have always been a nightmare for a "normal" buyer/seller, I find its decent if you want to unload some goods quickly or for buying your items...but outside that I avoid.

Remember all those people who talk about how uber they are at pvp? You get the same types in market trading so dont worry about others 'results' to much.

In a trade hub you will have to deal with people constantly 0.1 isking you, but here's my advise. Look for a small hub near a lowsec/0.0 jumping off point(as in the nearest highsec you can find). Bring out the modules PVPers will need and sell everything for Jita+20% or so and you'll make isk. Just be patient, actually look at the market before you trade and you'll be fine.


Zamaranth Sesta
Posted - 2009.07.31 21:09:00 - [308]
 

Originally by: Hamno

Remember all those people who talk about how uber they are at pvp? You get the same types in market trading so dont worry about others 'results' to much.



I guess that's probably about it. Thanks.

As I mentioned I've been doing fine making some extra change making wide spreads in my mains area in light volume but I'd sure like to figure out a way to make these easy hundreds of millions people suggest are laying around out there.

I don't like missioning though so I'll trade more even if it really doesn't make as much.

I guess I should start posting on a real charcter that I've trained enough to get a face on the forums with.

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.08.04 13:14:00 - [309]
 

Originally by: Zamaranth Sesta
Originally by: Hamno

Remember all those people who talk about how uber they are at pvp? You get the same types in market trading so dont worry about others 'results' to much.



I guess that's probably about it. Thanks.

As I mentioned I've been doing fine making some extra change making wide spreads in my mains area in light volume but I'd sure like to figure out a way to make these easy hundreds of millions people suggest are laying around out there.

I don't like missioning though so I'll trade more even if it really doesn't make as much.

I guess I should start posting on a real charcter that I've trained enough to get a face on the forums with.



When station trading, especially in a place like Jita you have to realize that no matter what item you have it will move and move fast. Worry less about the margin of an item and worry more about the velocity of your isk.

Think of it like this. I buy item A in station B move it to station C and it takes 3 days to sell. I make 15% margin on it.
I sit at a station and buy 30 of item A in station C and move all 30 in those same three days. I only make 3% margin though.

Which one is better for your play style is more the question though.

Also contrary to popular belief you can trade in major hubs and not have to babysit your orders. Analyze the movements of items across time, relate those items to similar items or high/lower items in material chains. Note how all things are related.

Once you have those movements down you can very well and reliably predict price fluctuations in nearly every item in EVE.

As an example, there are a few loot drop items.. Meta 2 to be specific (I'll let the interested observer figure out which one) which refine to heavy in specific minerals. As the volumes of these meta items go up and down you can predict the price movements of those minerals the loot is heavy in. You can then setup buy orders as the price points you think the mineral will move to, and just wait for it to go there.

Skie Ankora
The Growroom
Posted - 2009.08.05 23:09:00 - [310]
 

Are there any trading/wallet tracking apps available that can be hosted on a web server (e.g. PHP/Perl script?)

What I would like is to have something like Emma, but hosted on my web server in PHP/Perl.

More specifically:

I have got the yapeal PHP EveAPI toolkit working on my website Linkage. It can download market/wallet transactions to MySQL automatically using a cron job.

I could write my own code to analyse the yapeal MySQL database tables and track profit on items traded, etc., but has anyone already done this?

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2009.08.06 06:34:00 - [311]
 

Originally by: Skie Ankora
Are there any trading/wallet tracking apps available that can be hosted on a web server (e.g. PHP/Perl script?)


try the Sexy Offline Wallet

Throckbane
Posted - 2009.08.07 06:02:00 - [312]
 

Why does Jita usually have the lowest prices and the most traders?

Is it just because all the players decided that Jita was a good location, and it got a reputation for trading, or is there something else special about it?

ingenting
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2009.08.07 12:31:00 - [313]
 

Originally by: Throckbane
Why does Jita usually have the lowest prices and the most traders?

Is it just because all the players decided that Jita was a good location, and it got a reputation for trading, or is there something else special about it?


It had the best location many expansions back, before CCP changed some jumpgates. Now too much stuff there to make anyone leave.

DarthCaboose
Posted - 2009.08.15 16:20:00 - [314]
 

Originally by: Throckbane
Why does Jita usually have the lowest prices and the most traders?

Is it just because all the players decided that Jita was a good location, and it got a reputation for trading, or is there something else special about it?


Jita, I believe, was the closest mission hub area back in the day for most new Caldari players. It's just taken off like that.

While Jita is a great place to buy stuff for cheap (though I've found other player hubs to go even cheaper), it's not the best place in the world to sell stuff. Sure you can sell stuff quickly, but you'll always have those active traders 0.01 ISK-upping you...

D DD
Posted - 2009.08.22 20:05:00 - [315]
 

Where does one buy and sell BPOs and BPCs?

The blueprints available on the market, are they BPOs or BPCs? If both, how does one tell which a certain blueprint is (none, to my knowledge say copy or original in the info).

If I have a BPO and make copies of it, can I sell the copies on the market or only by way of contract?

I tried searching for the answers to these questions, but couldn't find them. If they have already been answered, I'd appreciate it if you provide a link. Thanks in advance.

Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.08.24 16:30:00 - [316]
 

Originally by: Zamaranth Sesta
My questions are

are the markets particularly tight now in Jita ?

if I look harder there should I be able to find stuff that I'll be able to buy and sell there changing prices only a few times a day ?

Is it really movement in price of an item over a few days what you need to trade on a less active scale...is it more speculation than market making?


Markets in Jita are almost always tight. The only place you'll find >10% margin is on lower volume (measuring in isk) goods.

Pretty much anything worth making money on in Jita will get .01 isked. You compare this to mission running: in many ways yes, but you don't lose your billion isk pve ship if you have to go afk suddenly for a couple minutes. Folks that aren't necessarily 100% in the game, but can still be logged in, will see this as a good isk making opportunity. Kind of like mining, but actually a bit safer.

It's a little bit of both: if you naturally buy and sell in the same station, inevitably you end up with a stockpile. When you have both isk and stock to spare, you can afford to place speculative bets on an item, so that either a big rise or fall will result in a profit for you. This of course is usually capitalizing on the occasional big order, whether from a 0.0 supplier or market manipulation effort.


Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.08.24 16:32:00 - [317]
 

Originally by: D DD
Where does one buy and sell BPOs and BPCs?

The blueprints available on the market, are they BPOs or BPCs? If both, how does one tell which a certain blueprint is (none, to my knowledge say copy or original in the info).

If I have a BPO and make copies of it, can I sell the copies on the market or only by way of contract?

I tried searching for the answers to these questions, but couldn't find them. If they have already been answered, I'd appreciate it if you provide a link. Thanks in advance.


Raw, unresearched BPOs for tech I stuff can be bought from the market.
Researched BPOs, Tech II BPOs, and all BPCs are bought in the contracts, and often advertised on the buy/sell forums here. The market couldn't handle the product differentiation of researched blueprints.


flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2009.08.26 15:36:00 - [318]
 

SMall tip , look VERRY carefull when buying bpo's on contract that are researched.Some Scammers set it up as a bpo wich actually is a bpc.If you look on the contract you can see next to the item how well it is researched and if it actually is a bpo or bpc.


Commander Stuart
Posted - 2009.08.29 19:00:00 - [319]
 

Are there trading corps? And if so what would you have to do to get in one and how do they operate?

glas mir
Reaction Scientific
Posted - 2009.09.01 05:38:00 - [320]
 

Originally by: Commander Stuart
Are there trading corps? And if so what would you have to do to get in one and how do they operate?


I know of a few corps that would make that claim. You should check out the recruitment forum.

However, I've never thoguht trading corps added any value. Trading isn't something that takes a large network of people.

Often, though, a single trader can be a great asset to a corp that does other things. Buying raw materials cheaper and selling finished goods for more.

Firid Soulbane
Kickass inc
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2009.10.01 23:34:00 - [321]
 

Edited by: Firid Soulbane on 01/10/2009 23:37:03
What happened to EMFI?


I have 50k of these shares. From what i can learn then dividends were payed for feb - march this year and then nothing. Cant find any information about what happened. Surely there must be a thread but i must have missed it going back through 70 pages of threads.

Mella Elcus
Posted - 2009.10.02 08:35:00 - [322]
 

Where can I get detailed contract history?
The journal doesn't say much, not which item or whom it was sold to/bought from.

It's very hard to set which price to sell an item for, which items has sold and for how much.

So, how do you guys keep track of your contracts?

Raser Moonstrider
Raser Industries
Posted - 2009.10.02 09:41:00 - [323]
 

Originally by: Mella Elcus
Where can I get detailed contract history?
The journal doesn't say much, not which item or whom it was sold to/bought from.

It's very hard to set which price to sell an item for, which items has sold and for how much.

So, how do you guys keep track of your contracts?


Click on the "contracts" icon in your sidebar, and click on the "my contracts" tab. Under the "status" drop-down, choose "Finished" then click "get contracts."

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2009.10.02 17:05:00 - [324]
 

Originally by: Firid Soulbane
Edited by: Firid Soulbane on 01/10/2009 23:37:03
What happened to EMFI?


I have 50k of these shares. From what i can learn then dividends were payed for feb - march this year and then nothing. Cant find any information about what happened. Surely there must be a thread but i must have missed it going back through 70 pages of threads.


There's an easier way to search for information you think is on the eve-o forums. Check out www.eve-search.com. Using that site you can search for all the posts for specific users or you can use keywords to search for information in EMFI or whatever you want. And unlike the eve-online forums search feature, the eve-search search feature actually works and is helpful.

Firid Soulbane
Kickass inc
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2009.10.07 13:36:00 - [325]
 

Eve search didnt really reveal anything new. Does anyone know whats up with EMFI?

Jin Nib
Resplendent Knives
Posted - 2009.10.07 16:36:00 - [326]
 

Originally by: Firid Soulbane
Eve search didnt really reveal anything new. Does anyone know whats up with EMFI?
According to cosmoray's sheet the guy is absent.

baltec1
Posted - 2009.10.13 09:50:00 - [327]
 

So I have finaly decided to get into building stuff but Jita is just a nasty place to offload my goods. Are there any tools in or out of game that will show where demand is high for a product other than visiting every region market?

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2009.10.15 06:13:00 - [328]
 

Originally by: baltec1
So I have finaly decided to get into building stuff but Jita is just a nasty place to offload my goods. Are there any tools in or out of game that will show where demand is high for a product other than visiting every region market?

The Market Discussions FAQ lists four services that aggregate market information across regions.

It also has further information in the following categories:
  1. Basics

  2. Current Market Prices (Asks, Bids)

  3. Market History Graphs and Tables

  4. Out-of-game Market Information

  5. Marketing Strategy and Tactics

  6. Pilot Skills and Standings

  7. Expanding your business

  8. Contracts

GreatGold
First Flying Wing Inc
Posted - 2009.10.22 21:46:00 - [329]
 

Hi All,

I am relatively new to the industrial side of Eve and just had a quick question for you guru's. What got me interested in the industrial side of things was the realization that a single Kronos sold can easily net over double the initial investment in materials, or somewhere in the neighborhood of 500m ISK.

But now with Dominion coming out, it is becoming equally apparent that Kronos (and Marauder's in general) will be dropping drastically in price. Craptacular timing, hah.

So, my question to You is this: what Tech II ships do you predict will maintain, or increase, in profit margin following the release of Dominion and the stabilization of the market in the following months?

Dibsi Dei
Salamyhkaisten kilta
Posted - 2009.10.29 18:17:00 - [330]
 

What happens when an IPO is over? I have shares and receive monthly payment from some corporations. How do I get the initial investment back when an IPO is over?


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