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Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2009.06.20 13:34:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: Erat Ipgnik
Ok, this is really noob, since I have played for 2 days now. I am trying to buy a frigate. In order to do so, I would like to have some small energy turret skills before, to arm it at least somehow. I noticed there was the skill available in station where I am. The price was 18000 ISK. I bought it at the price, no bargain made. However, it only says Buy order is made. When I will get the skill?

Is the game system made it the way that even when you are willing to pay the asked price, the seller must still accept the deal? So, if the deal is not accepted in expiration time, I will not get that skill to be learned?

Generally, orders are matched and executed in 'instantaneously', where matches exist. If you still have an outstanding bid listed, this suggests that the outstanding ask that you had intended to hit with your bid was actually matched by someone else while you were entering your order.

From your description, it looks like you were setting up an 'Advanced' Buy Order, with a duration longer than 'Immediate'. If you just want to buy something quickly, it might be easier to simply right-click the order you want to buy from, rather than setting up a buy order.

P.S. Shouldn't your name be 'Etar Ipgnik', rather than 'Erat Ipgnik'?

Erat Ipgnik
Posted - 2009.06.20 21:03:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: Thoraemond
Originally by: Erat Ipgnik
Ok, this is really noob, since I have played for 2 days now. I am trying to buy a frigate. In order to do so, I would like to have some small energy turret skills before, to arm it at least somehow. I noticed there was the skill available in station where I am. The price was 18000 ISK. I bought it at the price, no bargain made. However, it only says Buy order is made. When I will get the skill?

Is the game system made it the way that even when you are willing to pay the asked price, the seller must still accept the deal? So, if the deal is not accepted in expiration time, I will not get that skill to be learned?

Generally, orders are matched and executed in 'instantaneously', where matches exist. If you still have an outstanding bid listed, this suggests that the outstanding ask that you had intended to hit with your bid was actually matched by someone else while you were entering your order.

From your description, it looks like you were setting up an 'Advanced' Buy Order, with a duration longer than 'Immediate'. If you just want to buy something quickly, it might be easier to simply right-click the order you want to buy from, rather than setting up a buy order.

P.S. Shouldn't your name be 'Etar Ipgnik', rather than 'Erat Ipgnik'?



Hehe, congrats, I was expecting the first one to notice =). If I would put it correctly, You wouldn´t have asked =). I selected the name in order to just kid a bit. I have no intention to be a pirate (propably due the reason i have MBA in real life =), so trade and something else would be my interest =).

Basilla Lambros
Gallente
Mort's of Caille
Mort's Empire
Posted - 2009.06.23 23:03:00 - [273]
 

Hello. I am a small time trader who is having problems getting above 30M... Can anybody give me some tips, suggestions on how to make more ISK at this point.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.06.24 14:00:00 - [274]
 

Originally by: Nadia Perkins
I started to trading 4 days ago and i'm sellingbuyin a lot of item.
Is there a tool that say you the number of sold and bought item, the earn per item, what item did you earn more with etc?


You might read the sticky thread dedicated to the marketing tools.

Icy Milky
Posted - 2009.06.24 15:32:00 - [275]
 

Edited by: Icy Milky on 24/06/2009 15:37:06
Edited by: Icy Milky on 24/06/2009 15:36:16
Originally by: Basilla Lambros
Hello. I am a small time trader who is having problems getting above 30M... Can anybody give me some tips, suggestions on how to make more ISK at this point.

1a) buy items for 30M, sell them with profit... lets say 25% = 37,5M
1b) buy items for 37,5M ... sell them with profit... repeat

2) Ask friend in corp to lend you some cash. Buy items, sell with profit. Return money... Repeat untill you will not need to borrow money.
I personaly had this "self-sufficient point" for my scale of bussines at 2 Billions in cash... When I started, I usualy borrowed few hundreds millions from veteran friends (always returned back in 2 or 3 days). After 6 months I was on my own. Imo this is the most comfortable way how to build your budget when you start from "zero". Also very exciting when you do your first buy for 1 billion and you are scared to death when undocking from Jita in T1 hauler, because you know that technically that cargo is not your :D

3) Do other activities which produce money (e.g. missions). Then return to point 1.

Good luck.

edit: train of course Trading skills
- Accounting, Broker Relations to lower your tax and fees
- Trade, Retail, Wholesale (later) to have more sell/buy orders so you can trade more items at one time

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2009.06.26 04:22:00 - [276]
 

This 'Ask Questions Here' thread has been expanded upon for the EVElopedia: Market Discussions FAQ. It still needs additions and corrections. See this thread for a list of the questions currently covered.

Marius Flagg
Posted - 2009.06.26 17:27:00 - [277]
 

I noticed something called EMMA was recently mentioned on the market forums. What is EMMA?

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2009.06.26 17:51:00 - [278]
 

Originally by: Marius Flagg
I noticed something called EMMA was recently mentioned on the market forums. What is EMMA?

EMMA is the Eve Market Monitor Application. For more details about what this application does, and to get the software, you can normally find an official announcement thread for EMMA near the top of this forum, e.g., 'EMMA - Future Plans, New Location for Defects - Look Here to Get EMMA'.

StillbornOne
Posted - 2009.06.27 10:44:00 - [279]
 

hi.
i am trading with cruise missiles in the citadel region.
for 4 days now the quantity of wrath cruise missiles sold in the citadel dropped from 12m to about 2m average. with it came a huge price-dumping. i have absolutely no explanation for that phenomenon. does anyone have an explanation why the quantity dropped by 85% when it was stable before that for months?

Kazzac Elentria
Posted - 2009.06.29 18:43:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: StillbornOne
hi.
i am trading with cruise missiles in the citadel region.
for 4 days now the quantity of wrath cruise missiles sold in the citadel dropped from 12m to about 2m average. with it came a huge price-dumping. i have absolutely no explanation for that phenomenon. does anyone have an explanation why the quantity dropped by 85% when it was stable before that for months?


Market activity in mission heavy areas can often come in waves as people migrate between the various agents up to their max quality lvl 4's for that particular corporation.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.06.30 11:06:00 - [281]
 

Quote:

Is there a community approved "template" for relatively small IPO's, currently in use at the moment? I'm examining the idea of "micro" ventures.



Beware there's a little showstopper on small operations.

Investing is a true end game and is done by fat wallet players who will move money only if it's enough to bother.
Despite a small amount looks "easy" to be borrowed, it's not.

They get suspicious due to you being an unknown new player (regardless wether you are asking for 1 ISK or 1B) and the fact you promise little back (due to the small investment) actually detracts off the business attractivity.


Quote:

1)Item is unprofitable so people stop building.
2)Less supply causes the prices to inflate.
3)At some point it becomes fairly profitable again.
4)People notice this new profit potential and start manufacturing like crazy
5) Excess supply causes prices to fall and we are back to 1)



Also, never understimate other's people stupidity, and YOUR stupidity.

Others will see that now the ship offers a minimal profit as long as you sell 3 per day? In few minutes they dump 4000000000000000 ships at barely above production price.
And what about you? Did you buy off buy orders or off sell orders? In the latter case, no surprise you get no profit.

Also, did you bother checking how many ships can that market sustain before crashing? Or are you cranking out a zerg of ships just to see them sold one per day tops?

Always recall the ying yang: they are stupid and fail but you can easily be stupid like them and fail. The less stupid wins.


Quote:

I was wondering if anyone has ever put together a fund - something like a mutual fund - that would invest in at least 10-20 of the bonds/IPOs out there - thus spreading the risk.



A mutual fund exists, just check the first 1-2 forum threads.

The hard part at investing on multiple IPOs / bonds is that EvE is not real life.

In real life you are more or less safe investing and diversifying because the bonds default ratio is not so bad. Profit percentages are low as well, making it a "tranquil" activity.
In EvE there's no control so the more bonds you take the higher the probability one of them will fail / scam. Add the fact that unlike real life, in EvE even bonds are supposed to earn two digits yearly interest and you get a stretched situation where a default can taint the compound fund interest a lot.

This makes so that the big investors just invest on 10000% safe, single bonds that they can individually track and control.


Quote:

1) Its not much profitable (i could even say stupid) to buy items (say... 1mn MWD II) in a mission hub, to resell it in a trade hub right? The other way around should be the "right way" am i correct?



There's NO fixed "rule" in trading, it's all out, permanent PvP.
2 days ago I found how by going _2_ jumps out of my trade hub I could buy dozens of items for less than the lowest hub buy order.
How it's possible this happens? How's "logic" that none else got it?

Answer: take the opportunity NOW, analyze later. Before someone else beats you to it.
So I filled up and basically doubled my wallet in one day, in the face of logic.


Quote:

2) I usually check the table view on the price history to see if i will trade on a certain item. And i stay away from every item unless they have 3 digits in both columns (orders and quantity). What would you consider a minimal value for these two columns?



Again, no simple rule. If it's titans, you can bet you'll see 1 digit! If it's tritanium you'll see billions. I'd stay above 200 per day as a general rule of thumb. More is better.


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.06.30 11:09:00 - [282]
 

Quote:

i am trading with cruise missiles in the citadel region.
for 4 days now the quantity of wrath cruise missiles sold in the citadel dropped from 12m to about 2m average. with it came a huge price-dumping. i have absolutely no explanation for that phenomenon



What Kazzac said plus mass banning of RMT china farmers and "summer effect", where people actually recall that there's something outside their monitor.

Also, give a look at the trend graph. Notice how it's called "trend" because it can show you ... trends. Some items have periodical trends, where you can buy low and later sell high. Others where you can trade a lot some days and be stuck in others.

Gail Wynande
Posted - 2009.07.09 00:28:00 - [283]
 

Does the price history graph reflect both buy and sell orders for the given item?

Rudy Gnarl
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2009.07.09 14:07:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: Gail Wynande
Does the price history graph reflect both buy and sell orders for the given item?

Yes it does. However, if one day nothing was sold to a buy order, the low on the scale for that day will be the lowest sell order that someone bought from.

Now I have also had the experience of selling something for higher than what ever shows up on the market table for that day...very strange actually...I guess a glitch. In a way I liked it because no one would think my high priced modules were selling, but I also use this knowledge to know that even if I don't see a price on the table it might still be selling.

Khan Vash'Taak
Amarr
Posted - 2009.07.10 14:21:00 - [285]
 

Hello,

I am new to EVE and have decided to start trading, this process would be more profitable if I could perform market analysis across regions.
After looking at the resource section there seem to many applications, but before starting a random download fest I ask which app', if any, provide tools for regional analysis and provide historical data?

Regards.

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2009.07.10 15:54:00 - [286]
 

The following answers/corrections and many more are available now in the Market Discussions FAQ on the EVElopedia. The FAQ was largely based on the 10 pages of this (very useful) thread, but condenses it and makes the information easier to read.


Originally by: Rudy Gnarl
Originally by: Gail Wynande
Does the price history graph reflect both buy and sell orders for the given item?

Yes it does. However, if one day nothing was sold to a buy order, the low on the scale for that day will be the lowest sell order that someone bought from.

"Each transaction results from the matching of a buy order and a sell order, so each single transaction in the market history data represents the filling of one ask and one bid."


Originally by: Rudy Gnarl
Now I have also had the experience of selling something for higher than what ever shows up on the market table for that day... I guess a glitch.

It is not a glitch.


"Are outliers excluded?

Yes, by design.

It has been hypothesized that outliers outside two standard deviations are excluded, but CCP has not explained and player researchers have not (yet) determined the exact method or formula that determines which transactions are excluded."



DarthCaboose
Posted - 2009.07.11 20:15:00 - [287]
 

Edited by: DarthCaboose on 15/07/2009 20:47:19
Haven't seen this mentioned in the MD forums proper, so here goes...

Getting into trade is something anyone with a good bit of patience and common sense will be able to do. Many of the skills out there are extremely helpful for managing the money flow. However, a few of the skill books have "questionable" value when it comes to profits and all that. Keep in mind that if trading is definitely what you want to do, then getting these skills in the long run will be great. If you're like many others in Eve who want to keep your character and assets diversified to a more active type of money-making (mining, missions, manufacturing, etc...), then a bit of math can show this off a bit.

Herko's in-depth explanation of what these skills do exactly can be found here! I highly recommend everyone read through that guide before continuing below.


I'll be assuming you're getting the skill books at the base NPC price (since getting the basic set of skills books significantly lower than that is most likely a mistake on some player's part, and probably not tenable to work the margins with). These prices are true in the Domain region as of writing.

Accounting: 4.5 mil ISK.
Accounting is a great skill to have for cutting down on those pesky sales taxes that take their small cut from any selling you do. Yes, even non-traders will benefit over time from this skill even when they blindly sell their Level 4 mission goods for the lowest bidder, though the prerequisite of Trade IV means not many of them will ever pick this skill book up.

That's my praise, the issue is... Is it worth it to get this book? Read on below.

At Level V, Accounting cuts your taxes back by 50%, from 0.01 to 0.005 of the total amount. Assuming that Accounting is at Level V, it would take 900 mil ISK in sales to counteract the skill book price (and even more, if you factor in the two and a half-ish weeks it would take to get it up to that level). At Level IV, it would take 1,125 mil (1.125 bil ISK). At Level III, (1.5 bil ISK), and so on...


Broker Relations: 90,000 ISK.
While this skill only helps you out with setting buy and sell orders, it is a much more affordable skill for the starting trader. The Prereqs only require Trade II, which means you can be cutting your costs very early on, and as a Rank 2 skill is not as painful as Accounting to get up to Level V.

Speaking of Level V, this skill cuts your broker fee by 25%, so that the broker fee changes from 0.01 to 0.075 of the total amount. Assuming Broker Relations is at Level V, it would only take 36 mil ISK in sales to counteract the skill book price. At Level IV, it would take 45 mil ISK. At Level III, 60 mil ISK, and so on...


The following skills do not improve the absolute value of trading, they just make the process a lot more convenient!

Daytrading and Marketing are really the only skills you need to participate in the sell order and 0.01 ISK game. Procurement and Visibility are great for cutting into the buy order market; though it's probably not totally necessary to do if you're looking to play the middle-man. Marketing goes for 3.15 mil ISK, Daytrading goes for 11.25 mil ISK, Procurement for 1.35 mil ISK and Visibility for 6.75 mil ISK. Not cheap, but the skill requirements for Marketing and Procurement are low...

Margin Trading is a relatively high skill requirement that costs 18 mil ISK since it needs Accounting and Trade at IV. This skill does not save you money in transactions but does allow you to get more for your ISK with buy and sell orders (though, at the risk of losing out on broker fees if you don't back up the additional cover escrow needed). This is a more advanced skill, so if you have Accounting to IV (and understand the opportunity cost of getting that skill), then you shouldn't think twice about this one.

Rudy Gnarl
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2009.07.12 06:07:00 - [288]
 

Originally by: Thoraemond
The following answers/corrections and many more are available now in the Market Discussions FAQ on the EVElopedia. The FAQ was largely based on the 10 pages of this (very useful) thread, but condenses it and makes the information easier to read.


Originally by: Rudy Gnarl
Originally by: Gail Wynande
Does the price history graph reflect both buy and sell orders for the given item?

Yes it does. However, if one day nothing was sold to a buy order, the low on the scale for that day will be the lowest sell order that someone bought from.

"Each transaction results from the matching of a buy order and a sell order, so each single transaction in the market history data represents the filling of one ask and one bid."


I don't see how this is a correction of my response...I was simply explaining that sometimes the low for a day is the lowest sell order not the highest buy order....that's all, I didn't say anything about transactions being composed of one or two or three-hundred orders.

On the omission of outliers, that makes sense for the graph, but I would think they could design the table to display the highest and lowest orders rather than omitting anything. Again, I still see this omission on the part of CCP as an advantage at times.

Originally by: DarthCaboose

Broker Relations: 90,000 ISK.
While this skill only helps you out with setting buy orders, it is a much more affordable skill for the starting trader. The Prereqs only require Trade II, which means you can be cutting your costs very early on, and as a Rank 2 skill is not as painful as Accounting to get up to Level V.


One correction here: you also have to pay a broker's fee for setting up sell orders as well. This makes Broker Relations even more useful...

Darth I like your post a lot. Funny I was just training an alt in Accounting and trying to figure out how long it would take me to re-coop the 4.5 million. This is useful for anyone trying to figure out if these skills are worth the isk. The real question though, if you have only one character training at a time, is - are these skills worth the time in training...



Gordon Rex
Posted - 2009.07.13 06:32:00 - [289]
 

Hello all you Masters of Market Manipulation. I'm a long time reader, first time poster. I have a quick question for you, and it may be obvious and lame. If so, feel free to flame me like my name's Ricdic.Javascript:insertsmilie('Laughing','WebPost','text');

I have a pretty good grasp of the market graph and table, but I was wondering if there's a way to filter that information to prices and volume to specific systems (or even stations)?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Lasakywa
Section XIII
Posted - 2009.07.13 19:02:00 - [290]
 

Hi, maybe it has been answered before..

I would like to know why the price of all implants increased so much lately ?

For example : Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co 'gunslinger' AX-2 -> 275m instead of 120m.

Do you think the price of all implants will drop soon ?

Thanks.

Thoraemond
Minmatar
Far Ranger
Posted - 2009.07.14 02:00:00 - [291]
 

Originally by: Gordon Rex
I have a pretty good grasp of the market graph and table, but I was wondering if there's a way to filter that information to prices and volume to specific systems (or even stations)?

Short answer: 'no'. Market History data is region-wide only. Sometimes you might be able to guesstimate where a lot of volume is moving, based on comparing current market orders to the history.

This answer and others available in the Market Discussions FAQ on the EVElopedia.

glas mir
Reaction Scientific
Posted - 2009.07.14 02:59:00 - [292]
 

Originally by: Lasakywa
Hi, maybe it has been answered before..

I would like to know why the price of all implants increased so much lately ?

For example : Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co 'gunslinger' AX-2 -> 275m instead of 120m.

Do you think the price of all implants will drop soon ?

Thanks.


can't say for sure, but if you look at the market graph with different time filters, i.e. 10 days, 1 month, 3 months, 1 year. And couple that with rumors of a recent large scale macro ban you can make your own opinions. Manipulation of the market could certainly be causing them to trade above trend or it could be the fundamentals changed, that is there new "cost."

Gordon Rex
Posted - 2009.07.14 03:39:00 - [293]
 

Originally by: Thoraemond

Short answer: 'no'. Market History data is region-wide only. Sometimes you might be able to guesstimate where a lot of volume is moving, based on comparing current market orders to the history.

This answer and others available in the Market Discussions FAQ on the EVElopedia.


Thanks for the reply Thoraemond. Guess I should have checked that FAQ section a little closer.

hokyl
Posted - 2009.07.14 18:25:00 - [294]
 

I have a freighter whats the best way to use it?

Midas Man
Caldari
Dzark Innovations
Posted - 2009.07.15 08:48:00 - [295]
 

Edited by: Midas Man on 15/07/2009 09:04:17
Originally by: glas mir
Originally by: Lasakywa
Hi, maybe it has been answered before..

I would like to know why the price of all implants increased so much lately ?

For example : Hardwiring - Eifyr and Co 'gunslinger' AX-2 -> 275m instead of 120m.

Do you think the price of all implants will drop soon ?

Thanks.


can't say for sure, but if you look at the market graph with different time filters, i.e. 10 days, 1 month, 3 months, 1 year. And couple that with rumors of a recent large scale macro ban you can make your own opinions. Manipulation of the market could certainly be causing them to trade above trend or it could be the fundamentals changed, that is there new "cost."


I trade in the Hardwiring implants, from my experience CCP have on a few occasions banned numerous macro/RMT account, as these are the most common source of these implants the supply massively reduces shortly after. I always keep a number of various hardwiring is stock from when they are ~95mil to seed into the market in these conditions.

I will also buy up the stock from the market in these condition, most other traders know what price people will pay and if you relist from ~120m to 200-300 depending on implant most of the time the price sticks for a while.

In the past the macro/RMT have been back usually within a month or so once they get new character's skilled up.

As a safty net use a 1 unit order for the implants and push the price up to 10-15% above what you bought them and when you notice the supply increase you can dump left over stock for a decent profit still.

edit added missing % sign

PecuniaNon Olet
Posted - 2009.07.15 22:42:00 - [296]
 

Hi,
i need to trace some of my market transaction, unfortunately i can only go 1month backwards in my wallet history.
Is there any way how to access older logs (i need only last 3months logs aprox.)?

Neja Halcyon
Posted - 2009.07.15 23:58:00 - [297]
 

I've been playing Eve for almost 4 years and this one still baffels me. Today I checked prices on Giant Secure Containers and at a single 0.0 station I found 3 sell orders:

3 @ 722,222.22
3 @ 742,999.92
7 @ 1,500,000.00 (mine)

I wanted to remove my compeditors' goods from the market so that buyers would have to take my price. I bought the first two orders but was surprised to see that after I bought the 742k order, it was replaced with a new order. That left the station with the following:

3 @ 742,999.92
7 @ 1,500,000.00 (mine)

My question is, "where did the replacement order come from?" I double checked my wallet and confirmed that I bought both orders for a total of 6 cans. I also closed and reopened the market window to confirm that the page had refreshed, which it had. And there is still a competing order that is lower in price than my order.

Is this a bug in the system that I need to petition? Or is this a legitimate but undocumented game mechanic for replacing filled orders. And if it's a legitimate mechanic, how can I set up such an order?

Thanks in advance for your insight,

Neja Halcyon

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2009.07.16 12:17:00 - [298]
 

Quote:

Is this a bug in the system that I need to petition? Or is this a legitimate but undocumented game mechanic for replacing filled orders. And if it's a legitimate mechanic, how can I set up such an order?

Thanks in advance for your insight,

Neja Halcyon



Is the station an NPC one? If so, click its corp and check "market activity". If you see giant secure container @ that station, you got your answer.

Neja Halcyon
Posted - 2009.07.16 13:52:00 - [299]
 

Edited by: Neja Halcyon on 16/07/2009 13:54:06
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:

Is this a bug in the system that I need to petition? Or is this a legitimate but undocumented game mechanic for replacing filled orders. And if it's a legitimate mechanic, how can I set up such an order?

Thanks in advance for your insight,

Neja Halcyon



Is the station an NPC one? If so, click its corp and check "market activity". If you see giant secure container @ that station, you got your answer.



I guess I was so tired I wasn't thinking straight when I posted my question. In looking at the market again today I see that the 2 orders I listed previously are still there, followed by orders in two other stations that are the same distance away. But below the orders in another station are several, lower priced orders in the station where I was working. That tells me that the game sold me the lowest priced cans and left the cans at the prices I was expecting.

Thank you, Vaerah, for the info.

Peace,

Neja :)

Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2009.07.16 15:47:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: PecuniaNon Olet
Hi,
i need to trace some of my market transaction, unfortunately i can only go 1month backwards in my wallet history.
Is there any way how to access older logs (i need only last 3months logs aprox.)?


Unfortunately no. The only way to do this is to proactively dump your market logs periodically, and append them together. The unique transaction ID can help you throw out duplicate records.

I believe some of the player made tools (EMMA and so forth) do a lot of this for you. I made a homebrew system that I still play with from time to time, I might make it public some day if it gets decent enough but at the moment it's a clumsy piece of crap that only it's daddy could love.


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