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Jackspanoni
Black Hats Delta
Posted - 2008.11.19 01:42:00 - [1]
 

Another move away from the EVE that I love. : (

More than 750 Fanfest 2008 attendees were treated to three days straight of non-stop breaking news and new features for EVE Online. The Quantum Rise presentation was given to a packed house, a Walking in Stations hands-on demo was available, and multiple speakers detailed what's in store for the Summer Expansion - new effects, game play features, and improved AI. Want more? CCP announced a partnership with Atari to bring EVE back to retail shelves (adding a new distribution option to CCP's successful digital distribution system). In the Summer Expansion, players can look forward to unstable wormholes, epic mission arcs, and a revamped new player experience. STILL want more? Then top that off with customizable Tech 3 ships! The biggest news? It's not coming in the summer. The next EVE Expansion will be delivered on March 10! More news and links to coverage can be found on the EVE-O Boards

Valya Dire
Posted - 2008.11.19 03:28:00 - [2]
 

and this is the right forum to whine about this... how?

atari are publishers, ccp are using them to (zomg) publish a boxed copy

DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2008.11.19 09:51:00 - [3]
 

I dont know what his complaint is.
There has been talk that Ambulation will not be a "Free" upgrade and thats why we'll see the boxed unit go back out. Until this product goes on the shelves and we find out if upgrades are going to cease being free then there's little reason to complain.

CCP Cascade

Posted - 2008.11.19 16:31:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Jackspanoni
Another move away from the EVE that I love. : (


What move? What exactly in this is not awesome?

Originally by: DeODokktor

There has been talk that Ambulation will not be a "Free" upgrade and thats why we'll see the boxed unit go back out.


This is unfounded speculation.

J'oorus
Posted - 2008.11.19 17:42:00 - [5]
 

Umm .. I might sound as an unusually pessimistic guy voicing this .. but I am a little nervous about this partnership.

I bought some games from Atari some while ago and have experienced their products in a VERY BAD WAY .. basically the games were cool and all that .. nice graphics .. but the gameplay is horrible .. just horrible.
( I steer clear of Atari games now, I dont buy their product as I dont want to pay for crap )

I'll give 3 examples .. ( there are more, if you care to look ).

When Neverwinter nights 2 was released it was preforming very badly .. crashing .. lagging ..stuttering .. basically a memory leak or something that caused the game to slow down and die.

The same thing was happening with the game Witcher .. which came out later .. and I was wery excited .. but when I got it and tried it .. ( hot from the box ) .. it was full of annoying bugs and unlpayable .. the game Froze up repeadedly and you could not be fast enough to save your progress .. some weeks later they introdiced a hotfix and that helped somewhat.

Gothic 3 .. that game just made me cry .. it was worse than the other two above combined .. memory leak .. hiccups .. crashes were frequent .. I threw it away after the first day. ( and I had high hopes for that game when it came out, I was crushed )

But my point is, in all of these examples above .. Atari has been releasing an unfinished product, I would dare to call it a Alfa-release version of the game .. and then introducing patches and fixes when people have already bought the product.

I mean shouldnt the company release games that can be played immediately out of the box without crashing ?!
Maybe some time later, they patched those games up .. I dont know .. and that shouldn't matter )

Beware CCP .. PLEASE DON'T BE influenced by this terrible and horrible behaviour by Atari .. I dont want to see EvE or your next games drop dead on release, like has been the case with Atari of late !!

-J'oorus

Borgholio
Minmatar
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
Posted - 2008.11.19 18:34:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: CCP Casqade
Originally by: Jackspanoni
Another move away from the EVE that I love. : (


What move? What exactly in this is not awesome?




Over the last few years, Atari has been gaining a highly negative reputation among gamers. Many good games have been totally ruined by Atari's faceless corporate style of management, and their non-existent tech support.

The last Atari game I purchased was Master of Orion 3, which was a perfect example. The Master of Orion series was a legendary game franchise permanently destroyed through a typical Atari cycle of cutting half the good features in development to save money, releasing a barely-completed game that plays as if it's still in beta, posting a few half-baked patches that don't really fix much of anything, then quietly moving the game to the discount bin and forgetting it ever existed.

Yes, I'm bitter...but for good reason. Atari really does suck. I hope that CCP is only going to Atari for simple distribution on store shelves. If you let Atari do anything in regards to development or tech support, EVE will be doomed.

Emeki
Posted - 2008.11.19 19:58:00 - [7]
 

I watched and listened to all the EVE Fanfest videos and there was a round table where Hillmar and one other said candidly that
A) you do not have to buy the box because
B) Every expansion is free in EvE

SO why try to throw cold water on them entering the boxed PC marketplace..Hell I'll buy a box and won't think twice (seeing as I still have the original Simon and Schuster box stuffed somewhere in my old games box in a closet.)

Celebrate the fact that Atari is willing to embark on the venture to box the game. Not only that, you think the Guys/Gals at CCP who love this game so much DIDN'T learn from SImon and Schuster? publisher -vs- distributor.... Give me a break

~Emeki


Originally by: CCP Casqade
Originally by: Jackspanoni
Another move away from the EVE that I love. : (


What move? What exactly in this is not awesome?

Originally by: DeODokktor

There has been talk that Ambulation will not be a "Free" upgrade and thats why we'll see the boxed unit go back out.


This is unfounded speculation.

Mr Coffee
Gallente
Infinite Improbability Inc
Posted - 2008.11.20 00:33:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Mr Coffee on 20/11/2008 00:38:58
Originally by: J'oorus
Umm .. I might sound as an unusually pessimistic guy voicing this .. but I am a little nervous about this partnership.

I bought some games from Atari some while ago and have experienced their products in a VERY BAD WAY .. basically the games were cool and all that .. nice graphics .. but the gameplay is horrible .. just horrible.
( I steer clear of Atari games now, I dont buy their product as I dont want to pay for crap )

I'll give 3 examples .. ( there are more, if you care to look ).

When Neverwinter nights 2 was released it was preforming very badly .. crashing .. lagging ..stuttering .. basically a memory leak or something that caused the game to slow down and die.

The same thing was happening with the game Witcher .. which came out later .. and I was wery excited .. but when I got it and tried it .. ( hot from the box ) .. it was full of annoying bugs and unlpayable .. the game Froze up repeadedly and you could not be fast enough to save your progress .. some weeks later they introdiced a hotfix and that helped somewhat.

Gothic 3 .. that game just made me cry .. it was worse than the other two above combined .. memory leak .. hiccups .. crashes were frequent .. I threw it away after the first day. ( and I had high hopes for that game when it came out, I was crushed )

But my point is, in all of these examples above .. Atari has been releasing an unfinished product, I would dare to call it a Alfa-release version of the game .. and then introducing patches and fixes when people have already bought the product.

I mean shouldnt the company release games that can be played immediately out of the box without crashing ?!
Maybe some time later, they patched those games up .. I dont know .. and that shouldn't matter )

Beware CCP .. PLEASE DON'T BE influenced by this terrible and horrible behaviour by Atari .. I dont want to see EvE or your next games drop dead on release, like has been the case with Atari of late !!

-J'oorus


How long have you played Eve for? lol I'd say Eve is riddled with its own glitches and issues, nothing new. I can only imagine that CCP will try to prevent this in the future, because anything less than that will only serve to hurt their business.

Shalisha Brutel
Posted - 2008.11.24 11:49:00 - [9]
 

Would be nice to see if CCP intends, to only use Atari as a distribution/marketing medium, or if they allow Atari to mess up the Game codes and make the EvE I like into a steaming slag.

Shalisha

Leelo Atriedes
Amarr
TransGalactic Networks
Posted - 2008.11.24 14:10:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Shalisha Brutel
Would be nice to see if CCP intends, to only use Atari as a distribution/marketing medium, or if they allow Atari to mess up the Game codes and make the EvE I like into a steaming slag.


It would be interesting in what way ATARI would interfere with EVE Online's underlying program code (if it's that you mean by "Game codes").

Atari is going to distribute a boxed version of the game, you can't seriously mean that would effect the downloadable client in any way at all.

Shalisha Brutel
Posted - 2008.11.24 15:19:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Shalisha Brutel on 24/11/2008 15:22:01
Err yes that's what I meant ( the actual program .. the EvE code ).. not the Game Codes ( as in GTC ).

We don't know yet which kind of "Partnership" this is.

Will ATARI help with programming future expansion/patches, with its own programmers ( in which case EvE will be totally ruined ), or in other fields which to not affect the actual game .. only the presentation / marketing.

Anax Walsinghami
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.11.24 16:50:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: J'oorus

Gothic 3 .. that game just made me cry .. it was worse than the other two above combined .. memory leak .. hiccups .. crashes were frequent .. I threw it away after the first day. ( and I had high hopes for that game when it came out, I was crushed )-J'oorus


I'm playing Gothic 3 and have had no real problems. Where-as my new vid cards bios was giving me problems with Eve, Gothic played very stable for me.

Sic Jakey
Posted - 2008.11.25 05:44:00 - [13]
 

The only issue I had with Atari was over DRM with the NWN series, otherwise I had no problems. If the new expansion will be free (truly awesome if it is), then there would be no reason to have drm hell. We see how it goes. I'd honestly just like to see eve time cards in stores.

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2008.11.25 06:31:00 - [14]
 

At this moment in time (post-QR release, post QR 1.0.1 patch) I think CCP might want to concentrate on the product that is generating recurring monthly revenue, rather than diverting resources to a tired idea whose 15 minutes of fame have passed.

Leelo Atriedes
Amarr
TransGalactic Networks
Posted - 2008.11.25 11:10:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Leelo Atriedes on 25/11/2008 11:14:41
Edited by: Leelo Atriedes on 25/11/2008 11:13:04
Originally by: Shalisha Brutel
Edited by: Shalisha Brutel on 24/11/2008 15:22:01
Err yes that's what I meant ( the actual program .. the EvE code ).. not the Game Codes ( as in GTC ).

We don't know yet which kind of "Partnership" this is.

Will ATARI help with programming future expansion/patches, with its own programmers ( in which case EvE will be totally ruined ), or in other fields which to not affect the actual game .. only the presentation / marketing.



Press release

I feel fairly confident that CCP will not outsource any code bashing to Atari.

Feel free to prove me wrong.

CCP Sputnik


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.25 12:14:00 - [16]
 

the deal with Atari is very simple, they put it on a disk and into the shelves (plus some nice advertisement material) that's it.

The expansion and the full client will be free to download like always.

The boxed set is basically just a 60 day GTC in a box (plus disk and more). The only difference old players will see are more new players - NOBODY IS REQUIRED TO BUY THE BOX, its just a nice to have maybe.

Hoshi
Hedron Industries
Red Dwarf Racketeering Division
Posted - 2008.11.25 12:28:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CCP Sputnik

The boxed set is basically just a 60 day GTC in a box (plus disk and more).


Does that mean that I as an existing player can buy the box and add the time to my account instead of starting a new account?

CCP Sputnik


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.25 12:32:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Hoshi

Does that mean that I as an existing player can buy the box and add the time to my account instead of starting a new account?

I don't know, have to check this with somebody who is working on this project. (But at least it would make sense ^^)

Shalisha Brutel
Posted - 2008.11.25 13:24:00 - [19]
 

Well I must say that I'm not as pessimistic about this "partnership" when All ATARI does is, put this into the box and advertise this.

But Atari has got a bad name in the gaming industry lately, and it is no wonder that some people, I would say many people, are concerned about this turn of events. And if they are not allowed close to the internal Code of EvE, as ccp has pointed out, things are not as bleak.

Thanks for clearing up this point.

Shalisha

Mikhale Romanov
Aku.
Posted - 2008.11.26 07:36:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CCP Sputnik
the deal with Atari is very simple, they put it on a disk and into the shelves (plus some nice advertisement material) that's it.

The expansion and the full client will be free to download like always.

The boxed set is basically just a 60 day GTC in a box (plus disk and more). The only difference old players will see are more new players - NOBODY IS REQUIRED TO BUY THE BOX, its just a nice to have maybe.



Digital distro FTW.. Nurture your partnership with Valve and make the updates on steam better. Talk to stardock and get eve on Impulse as well. Game stores are the way of the past!

Daminari Haxifawn
Posted - 2008.11.26 07:39:00 - [21]
 

I second Mikhales post. Digital distribution is the best way to go, i HATE having to drive to the store. Impulse is good, and i play ALL my games thru steam. I have been using steam for years and was excited to see it finally appear on there.

Box sets might get you more subs, but im telling you, steam is the way to go.

Ralle030583
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.11.26 07:49:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Ralle030583 on 26/11/2008 07:52:16
Originally by: CCP Sputnik
Originally by: Hoshi

[..stuff..]
(But at least it would make sense ^^)

you know that marketing division isn't always doing stuff which makes sense ;-)


Originally by: Daminari Haxifawn
I second Mikhales post. Digital distribution is the best way to go, i HATE having to drive to the store. Impulse is good, and i play ALL my games thru steam. I have been using steam for years and was excited to see it finally appear on there.

Box sets might get you more subs, but im telling you, steam is the way to go.

eve is on steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/8500/

Mikhale Romanov
Aku.
Posted - 2008.11.26 07:54:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ralle030583
Edited by: Ralle030583 on 26/11/2008 07:52:16
Originally by: CCP Sputnik
Originally by: Hoshi

[..stuff..]
(But at least it would make sense ^^)

you know that marketing division isn't always doing stuff which makes sense ;-)


Originally by: Daminari Haxifawn
I second Mikhales post. Digital distribution is the best way to go, i HATE having to drive to the store. Impulse is good, and i play ALL my games thru steam. I have been using steam for years and was excited to see it finally appear on there.

Box sets might get you more subs, but im telling you, steam is the way to go.

eve is on steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/8500/



Did you even read what I said?

Ralle030583
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.11.26 08:17:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Mikhale Romanov
Originally by: Ralle030583
Edited by: Ralle030583 on 26/11/2008 07:52:16
Originally by: CCP Sputnik
Originally by: Hoshi

[..stuff..]
(But at least it would make sense ^^)

you know that marketing division isn't always doing stuff which makes sense ;-)


Originally by: Daminari Haxifawn
I second Mikhales post. Digital distribution is the best way to go, i HATE having to drive to the store. Impulse is good, and i play ALL my games thru steam. I have been using steam for years and was excited to see it finally appear on there.

Box sets might get you more subs, but im telling you, steam is the way to go.

eve is on steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/8500/



Did you even read what I said?

hmm nope.. missed it...
reading 0/5 ;-/

annoing
Amarr
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.11.28 00:19:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Borgholio
cycle of cutting half the good features in development to save money, releasing a barely-completed game that plays as if it's still in beta, posting a few half-baked patches that don't really fix much of anything.......
Yes, I'm bitter...but for good reason.


I'm sorry, for a minute I thought you were talking about Eve there Rolling Eyes






Elhina Novae
HAMMER -N- SICKEL
Posted - 2008.11.28 07:13:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: CCP Sputnik
Originally by: Hoshi

Does that mean that I as an existing player can buy the box and add the time to my account instead of starting a new account?

I don't know, have to check this with somebody who is working on this project. (But at least it would make sense ^^)

Just like I expected thanks for clarificationSmile

CCP Sputnik


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.28 13:01:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: CCP Sputnik on 28/11/2008 13:01:07
Originally by: Elhina Novae
Just like I expected thanks for clarificationSmile


HAHA yes very clear ^^ I talked to the guys and unfortunately you have to wait for the official press release to get a clarification on this.

I know as much as you guys atm.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2008.11.28 16:49:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: CCP Sputnik
Originally by: Hoshi

Does that mean that I as an existing player can buy the box and add the time to my account instead of starting a new account?

I don't know, have to check this with somebody who is working on this project. (But at least it would make sense ^^)


Please not only check, but make sure it is true.
We in Russia had pretty bad experience already with this way of EVE distribution.
You know, some people tend to have something material to exhibit their fascinations. I myself has a nice galactic map from WC:Prophecy box pinned on my wall (it also serves good in room decoration, yeah!).
And purchasing EVE box and then realize that card supplied with it only good for creation of new account was... sad, to say the least.


 

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