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Chruker
Posted - 2008.11.18 22:53:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Chruker on 02/02/2009 12:46:06
Sign this if you want CCP to prioritize the development of a better ingame browser

Development on the ingame browser (IGB) have been neglected for so long.
- For the last 2+ years it has had horrible rendering time on any content with tables.
- It is also rendering tables errornously, especially noticable in the computation of table and column widths.

Now lately it seems to have gotten some very annoying bugs:
- All pages (regardless of content) seems to have some sort of delay (2-3 seconds), making sites very slow.
- Form fields are broken (maybe especially when combined with tables).
- The IGB also fails to construct correct urls for some images in tables.

And while I'm sure most of these bugs have been reported or are least hopefully bugging CCP players during their daily gametime, then I fear that fixing the IGB have so low priority.

I believe the horrible performance of the IGB are hurting sites already providing some content, but even more important it is likely preventing community developers to develop sites that take advantage of the IGB's unique functionality.

Personally, I dont care if CCP fixes their existing code (through a UI overhaul), uses some other 3rd party code (Opera ex.), use browser functionaly provided by the OS, or some other option. However it must render HTML correctly and fast.

Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
Posted - 2008.11.18 22:54:00 - [2]
 


Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2008.11.18 22:56:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ix Forres
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


This, especially if it can be a part of other UI changes and updates


Nathalia Itiero
Gallente
Blue Republic
Posted - 2008.11.18 22:57:00 - [4]
 


Rachel Nightwalker
Posted - 2008.11.18 22:58:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Rachel Nightwalker on 18/11/2008 22:58:37
Originally by: Ix Forres
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.




I have a project already in development that would benefit from not having to handle things totally different for the IGB.

Salvis Tallan
Gallente
Sparse Enterprises
Posted - 2008.11.18 22:58:00 - [6]
 

Agreed. Every window in game uses the IGB, with all the love the server-side stuff is getting, this would be a huge leap forward for the client.

EveMap
Posted - 2008.11.18 22:59:00 - [7]
 


Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:01:00 - [8]
 

If you had created this in the Assembly Hall we could have added fancy little thumbs up or down if we liked the idea Twisted Evil

I have always found the browser very slow, but I chalked it up to my crappy computer so I guess I will refrain from voting at this point in time due to not being very knowledgeable on the topic.


Slade

Jameroz
Echoes of Space
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:02:00 - [9]
 

Yes, we need better IGB!!

HowardStern
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:03:00 - [10]
 

no

Thea Arsoniztik
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:04:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Thea Arsoniztik on 18/11/2008 23:05:30
Edited by: Thea Arsoniztik on 18/11/2008 23:04:39
Signed. the IGB is very buggy atm and lacks the ability to do a lot of basic things that other browswers can do. I can't even search google on the IGB. Crying or Very sad

I would also like the ability to view pr 0ns. Pr 0nto!

Thanks for reading.

Conq Er
Lucky Traders ltd
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:05:00 - [12]
 

No.

Thea Arsoniztik
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:06:00 - [13]
 

Yes.

Chruker
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:07:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Rachel Nightwalker
I have a project already in development that would benefit from not having to handle things totally different for the IGB.

Exactly. Having to dumb down a site for the IGB to display it, isn't a good thing.

CCP doesnt even bother with it for their own site.

Originally by: Slade Trillgon
If you had created this in the Assembly Hall we could have added fancy little thumbs up or down if we liked the idea Twisted Evil


I thought all the forums had that functionality, however this needed more readers than the Assembly Hall can provide :-)

Mr M
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:07:00 - [15]
 

Last time I heard something they said that they wont touch the ingame browser because they're going to swap it for something fresh and new. But they have said that for a couple of years now.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:09:00 - [16]
 

do you want????

It's like a new browser could be a bad thing?

Anyway... they've already said they are working on a new one.

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:11:00 - [17]
 

Yes, of course.
I know the devs would like a better IGB too, specially since the actual IGB will prevent editing the Evelopedia in game.
But it will take some time to do it, that's for sure. So I don't expect this to happen in the next expansion, or even in the 2009 winter expansion... Sad

BTW, I don't know if this can be useful, but maybe it can help (keep in mind I'm not a programmer. Razz)

pxdom

I also found something by Mozilla called PyXPCOM, used to communicate with XPCOM, which may allow to embedd Gecko on a python application.

ouroboros trading
Gallente
Medics On Fire
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:14:00 - [18]
 

no thanks, security risks and all that.

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:16:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: ouroboros trading
no thanks, security risks and all that.

They don't need to implement a ECMAScript engine, just a layout engine.
Besides, it runs inside the client (a wrapper) and you have to trust the sites...

Jana Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:18:00 - [20]
 


Gieron
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:29:00 - [21]
 

/signed

I have also noticed the delay bug. It makes the IGB unusable in many situations where it used to be at least bearable.

Captain Hack
Caldari
The Sons of Anarchy.
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:30:00 - [22]
 

no

Chruker
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:30:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dmian
Yes, of course.
I know the devs would like a better IGB too, specially since the actual IGB will prevent editing the Evelopedia in game.


Yeah, I was thinking that the Evelopedia thingy may force them to prioritze it higher, because of the ingame thing.

The layouts shown at the fanfest would most likely need some tables :-)

ouroboros trading
Gallente
Medics On Fire
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dmian
Originally by: ouroboros trading
no thanks, security risks and all that.

They don't need to implement a ECMAScript engine, just a layout engine.
Besides, it runs inside the client (a wrapper) and you have to trust the sites...


well if it was kept very simple.

you know what people are like, a single ***** and blam.


sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:33:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: sableye on 18/11/2008 23:34:13
I actually remember one of the dev's saying recently they are working on integrating a new browser or something.

also why does the ingame browser have no horizontal scroll bar, thats the most annoying thing of all.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:38:00 - [26]
 

no need, no offence

Darkeen
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:41:00 - [27]
 

No.

I never understood why you have a browser in a game when you can Alt-Tab (or Alt-Ctrl-D in Linux) to open the PC's web browser.

If your reading a browser then your not paying attention to the game and your Semi AFK.
Deal with the consequences.

Remove the IGB entirely and allow the server to improve speed and performance issues by not having to handle browser requests.



Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.11.18 23:46:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Darkeen
I never understood why you have a browser in a game when you can Alt-Tab (or Alt-Ctrl-D in Linux) to open the PC's web browser.

Done properly, it will be the layout engine for all things text, for example:

- Agent windows
- Mission details
- Item database (in fact, that's exactly what will happen with Evelopedia)
- A looooong etc.

NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
Posted - 2008.11.19 00:07:00 - [29]
 

Weren't there a few **** sites awhile back there were IGB friendly? I know that there was a casino that was friendly

DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Chain of Chaos
Posted - 2008.11.19 00:54:00 - [30]
 

In all honesty no, the thing is a waste imho. Rather see them include an open standard browser without any modifications to it or better yet just take it out. Having the internet in GTA IV wasnt fun either.


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