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Eraggan Sadarr
Comply Or Die
Posted - 2008.11.22 12:13:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
After reading your comments and discussing it internally we decided to exclude CONCORD EVE Mails from deleting NPC EVE Mails older than 3 months, they will still be subject to the fetching 1000 EVE Mails limit so if you have CONCORD EVE Mails going back further than your last 1000 EVE Mails you will have to delete newer EVE Mails to gain access to them. Smile


You really should think about making an export feature before you start deleting. I sometimes use those mails to go back and remember the past three years. I would really be a shame to remove that kind of history and not i line with your previous statements on preservation of eve history.
Please help all us sentimental players by making an export feature. you already have the marketlog export, so just do a quick and dirty mail export.

Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Noob Much Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.22 13:06:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
After reading your comments and discussing it internally we decided to exclude CONCORD EVE Mails from deleting NPC EVE Mails older than 3 months


I know this is a rare thing for me to say but:

THANKS FOR LISTENING CCP Very Happy

Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Noob Much Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.22 13:20:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: David Grogan
Edited by: David Grogan on 22/11/2008 11:51:26
Edited by: David Grogan on 22/11/2008 11:50:30
perhaps an ability to save your eve mails to a file stored locally on a player's pc which could be accessed by mozilla thunderbird or open office or linux and mac equiv would good


Here's how I see it. I may be totally wrong but anyway.

Probably the only thing Evemail shares with e-mail is the name. There is no mail protocol stack, mail headers and the likes, but an Evemail is probably no more than a database table entry thats polled by, or pushed to, the client.

However, one COULD expose that through an IMAP client OR make it available as a downloadable file for e.g. Thunderbird nevertheless. You'd have to export the database stuff into something like mbox format (which is very straight-forward) so people could open it in Thunderbird, or you could expose that through an IMAP server. You'd not need a domain name for that, just an IP, and half a day of coding (at least if you're not aiming for real time).

But for IMAP to be really useful and have the ability to send eve mails out of game, then you'd need a proper mail server, email addresses like evename@eve-online.com, mail servers, mail server admins etc - thats a major addition that would be awesome but I don't think CCP will see that as worth the investment (I know I likely wouldn't).

So while I agree that an export is needed before stuff is deleted, they might as well hack something into the client to export the stuff into CSV (or mbox) format, seems like the most painless route (not considering the database burst load of someone polling thousands of mails at once for export; but then again those bursts seem to be happening in the current implementation anyway).

Thats my $0.02 cents.

Ghost Goat
Posted - 2008.11.22 14:10:00 - [214]
 

Edited by: Ghost Goat on 22/11/2008 15:21:17
just applied the patch and got this message :

"installation has been completed but one or more updated
files were locked . you will have to restart your computer before the changes can take effect .

would you like to restart your computer now ? "

anyone else got that ?

update

it seems what caused this was a "ghost" EVEFILE.exe running in the back round ,
that refused to actually shut down, although it wasn't indicated that its still running
anywhere beside the task bar .

after restarting and trying to open eve i got error msg :

"
moved c:\program files2\ccp\eve\bin\\RTA29900 to c:\doucuments and setting\me\local setting\temp\eve76d0.tmp\RTA29900

moved c:\program files2\ccp\eve\bin\\RTB29900 to c:\doucuments and setting\me\local setting\temp\eve76d0.tmp\RTB29900 "

and then another one saying blue.dll and trinty dll are corrupted

and now when i try to open eve i get the error :

" cant locate blue.dll reinstalling should solve the issue "

thanx for the update below .
just tried to install some old eve setup file i had around but it failed ,
also tried to copy blue and trinity dll from sisi folder to original folder
but it didnt worked either files still corrupted .

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.11.22 15:08:00 - [215]
 

Just to clarify, this EVE Mail change will come in the next patch which will likely be Quantum Rise 1.0.2, it will not be in Quantum Rise 1.0.1 as that patch got split up. Smile

CCP Wrangler

Posted - 2008.11.22 15:09:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Ghost Goat
Edited by: Ghost Goat on 22/11/2008 14:31:23
Edited by: Ghost Goat on 22/11/2008 14:30:11
just applied the patch and got this message :

"installation has been completed but one or more updated
files were locked . you will have to restart your computer before the changes can take effect .

would you like to restart your computer now ? "

anyone else got that ?

update

it seems what caused this was a "ghost" EVEFILE.exe running in the back round ,
that refused to actually shut down, although it wasn't indicated that its still running
anywhere beside the task bar .

after restarting and trying to open eve i got error msg :

"
moved c:\program files2\ccp\eve\bin\\RTA29900 to c:\doucuments and setting\me\local setting\temp\eve76d0.tmp\RTA29900

moved c:\program files2\ccp\eve\bin\\RTB29900 to c:\doucuments and setting\me\local setting\temp\eve76d0.tmp\RTB29900 "

and then another one saying blue.dll and trinty dll are corrupted

and now when i try to open eve i get the error :

" cant locate blue.dll reinstalling should solve the issue "

great ...


We're looking into it, please keep an eye on this thread for more information as it becomes available.

Gilgamoth
Minmatar
Eldritch Storm
Posted - 2008.11.23 01:11:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
After reading your comments and discussing it internally we decided to exclude CONCORD EVE Mails from deleting NPC EVE Mails older than 3 months, they will still be subject to the fetching 1000 EVE Mails limit so if you have CONCORD EVE Mails going back further than your last 1000 EVE Mails you will have to delete newer EVE Mails to gain access to them. Smile

Thanks for this Wrangler. Any chance we can get existing Concord Kill mails into the Kill Log instead then we can clear down more eve-mails.

Regards,

Gil

Dantes Revenge
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.23 16:13:00 - [218]
 

It would be nice to be able to store these elsewhere, even clientside since they are only of sentimental value to the players. Have a Concord mail section as a seperate window so any Concord evemails are sent there instead of via the normal evemail system. This can easily be saved clientside to save server database issues.

Personally, as far as evemails are concerned, I can't see a why this sort of information can't be saved clientside to take them off the server completely. If they can be exported, even with a seperate application to an Access database file, it would allow those of us who want to save certain evemails to keep even the very old stuff safe.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2008.11.24 09:20:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr
You really should think about making an export feature before you start deleting. I sometimes use those mails to go back and remember the past three years. I would really be a shame to remove that kind of history and not i line with your previous statements on preservation of eve history.
Please help all us sentimental players by making an export feature. you already have the marketlog export, so just do a quick and dirty mail export.
This.

Kematian
Viziam
Posted - 2008.11.25 07:55:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Originally by: Eraggan Sadarr
You really should think about making an export feature before you start deleting. I sometimes use those mails to go back and remember the past three years. I would really be a shame to remove that kind of history and not i line with your previous statements on preservation of eve history.
Please help all us sentimental players by making an export feature. you already have the marketlog export, so just do a quick and dirty mail export.
This.


Thirded

Pypok
O.W.N. Corp
OWN Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.25 16:54:00 - [221]
 

Just to clarify,

There will not be a fix to the horrible eve-mail system?
We will not be able to create categories for mails?
The "sort by unread" will still be completely useless because it doesn't function properly?
There will not be a "sort by Date" function?
We will still need to send 25 messages because eve-mail has a character size limit?
We will not be getting a CC function?
We will not be getting a header section in eve mail so we can see who the mail is from and to whom it was sent (if more then 1 person)
We will not be getting an auto complete name based on address book?
=============================

Just to clarify, we are not getting anything actually useful?

Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2008.11.25 19:15:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Pypok
Just to clarify,

There will not be a fix to the horrible eve-mail system?
We will not be able to create categories for mails?
The "sort by unread" will still be completely useless because it doesn't function properly?
There will not be a "sort by Date" function?
We will still need to send 25 messages because eve-mail has a character size limit?
We will not be getting a CC function?
We will not be getting a header section in eve mail so we can see who the mail is from and to whom it was sent (if more then 1 person)
We will not be getting an auto complete name based on address book?
=============================

Just to clarify, we are not getting anything actually useful?


Confirming i am the fail in eve-mail.

John McDuff
Caldari
Jovian Labs
Jovian Enterprises
Posted - 2008.12.02 09:21:00 - [223]
 

Wrangler I understand that all shortcomings to the evemail system mentioned here are besides the point of this thread. But since you are evidently reading this from time to time could you at least mention if it is looked at at all. Are there any changes on the drawingboard? It truly is, and has been for 5 years, a disastrous tool in its current form.

Gone'Postal
Roast and Toast Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.03 16:10:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: John McDuff
Wrangler I understand that all shortcomings to the evemail system mentioned here are besides the point of this thread. But since you are evidently reading this from time to time could you at least mention if it is looked at at all. Are there any changes on the drawingboard? It truly is, and has been for 5 years, a disastrous tool in its current form.


QFT,

+A few posts up there is some damn good items to add to the evemail system.


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