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Quarath
Caldari
HI-TECH
Posted - 2004.07.07 16:38:00 - [1]
 


ISD Zhuge Liang


Gallente
ISD STAR
Posted - 2004.07.07 17:36:00 - [2]
 

This is an update thread for the EVE Territorial Map of 0.0 space. Just like the top sticky it will be kept tidy and posts will be deleted after changes have been agreed on.

Do not flame, do not troll, this is a community resource for your benefits.

Zhuge

Quarath Temp
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2005.02.03 20:05:00 - [3]
 


The Enslaver
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2005.02.03 23:47:00 - [4]
 

Aye, however You need to change the 'JQA' to 'SUPRM'.

Please feel free to send a character there and take a peek. Perhaps various peeks over a week would be more to your liking? Wink

shivan
Minmatar
Drunken Wookies
Posted - 2005.02.05 06:51:00 - [5]
 

SE and FIX are at war now

Emmerich Steiner
Caldari
Vogon Deconstruction Fleet
Posted - 2005.02.05 09:56:00 - [6]
 

Though it is true that Flashpoint 3 does indeed have Imperium forces fighting the ocasional JQA force, the perdominant force in the region is Supremecy.

And this shouldn't be news, but Supremecy is not a part of the Imperium, We are close allies but seperate... A clear distinction needs to be drawn here.

juduzz
Amarr
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.02.06 14:03:00 - [7]
 

NSA/xNSA are in deklien and roir

The Chef
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.02.07 09:49:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: The Enslaver
Aye, however You need to change the 'JQA' to 'SUPRM'.


Lies. JQA is still there, we just choose to fight on our own terms, avoiding your BS/Assult Frigate gank fleets.

Look at it this way: You can't pull out to go attack Xetic/FA because JQA is still around. This seems proof enough that it is not "your" space yet.

Loka
Gallente
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
Posted - 2005.02.07 11:38:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: The Chef
Lies. JQA is still there, we just choose to fight on our own terms, avoiding your BS/Assult Frigate gank fleets.

Look at it this way: You can't pull out to go attack Xetic/FA because JQA is still around. This seems proof enough that it is not "your" space yet.


Yes JQA frigatesquads still there. I can confirm. But iam pretty sure, when you would have to explain or define me, what owning would mean, iam pretty sure, you wouldnt be able to confince anybody, that JQA is owning their space.

Yes again, JQA is fighting still with ganksquads, but i haven saw only 1 System held by JQA. You search fopr possibilitys to attack the defender, therefore you are the aggressor here.

Your space was conquered, now you terrorise it. Thats the only and single way you can look at it.

The Chef
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.02.07 12:45:00 - [10]
 

Why do you care anyway? If you own our space, you know it. By leaving JQA on there, you don't attract attention from enemy forces.

If you ~must~ remove JQA, you can NOT put anything in its place. If you want to debate on kills:loss ratios, I suggest you first start uploading your loss mails to eve-kills.

Hastrabull
Caldari
Rave Technologies Inc.
C0VEN
Posted - 2005.02.07 14:40:00 - [11]
 

Supremacy conquered xJQA space.

We own this space.
xJQA Navy has changed to small guerilla forces and are trying to gank lonely Supremacy pilots.
This IS piracy.

Supremacy OWNS xJQA space now.

The Chef
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2005.02.07 15:36:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Hastrabull
Supremacy conquered xJQA space.

We own this space.
xJQA Navy has changed to small guerilla forces and are trying to gank lonely Supremacy pilots.
This IS piracy.

Supremacy OWNS xJQA space now.


JQA space has been invaded by a hostile pirating force, Supremacy.
Supremacy blob up in one system in a futile attempt to kill JQA pilots. Sadly, some JQA pilots are not capable of following orders and end up getting killed in their BS.
JQA is defending its space by using frigate squads to avoid the Supremacy blob(s), to quite an effective end (2 Battleship kills/day for 1/2 frigate losses is quite good for a bunch of frigies.)

Both points of view have merit. Neither are entirely accurate.

Angelus X
Caldari
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.02.07 17:43:00 - [13]
 

Should that area of Syndicate not be changed to a similar colour pattern as the area of space contested between "Foundation" and "Keiretsu". JQA/ex-JQA Space is still very much contested tbh, considering in many systems neither side can leave a ship alone for more than 5 minutes unless safespotted.

Emmerich Steiner
Caldari
Vogon Deconstruction Fleet
Posted - 2005.02.07 17:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Angelus X
considering in many systems neither side can leave a ship alone for more than 5 minutes unless safespotted.


You can't do that in fountain either, and apparently that is soverign FA territory :D

anister
Caldari
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.02.07 20:00:00 - [15]
 

I can confirm that JQA presence in "JQA Space" is minimal, looks like you've been evicted and those that haven't left the region are locked down.

Angelus X
Caldari
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.02.07 23:13:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: anister
I can confirm that JQA presence in "JQA Space" is minimal, looks like you've been evicted and those that haven't left the region are locked down.


This is the kind of ignorant statement that starts flames and destroys threads Sad I think you guys have stated enough times your opinions regarding the ownership of JQA/ex-JQA space. I hope I am right in assuming Quarath will not make radical changes to his Eve Map without consulting representatives of all the groups involved in the conflict first. If your really that desperate to have your names on Lower Syndicate, you could always make your own map Laughing

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2005.02.08 00:36:00 - [17]
 

BoB are taking Delve.
Shinra are still in full control of PB.
Fix are still in full control of Querious.

dbp

General Killah
Gallente
Roman Anvil
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2005.02.08 05:10:00 - [18]
 

Can you please put a small contested zone around the T-nn area in Stain region, Rome have quite a strong hold on it, and a skull and crossbones in 4GQ would also be appropriate(many battle between Rome and Stain happen there.

Ben Derindar
Caldari
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2005.02.08 06:53:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Ben Derindar on 08/02/2005 06:53:14
The Syndicate constellations in question should be striped in the meantime, with the skull at VV moved to cover the middle of the area.

SUPRM and friends have done enough to earn at least that much, but JQA are still there too, and every once in a while we do still break out the battleships. Smile

/Ben

DB Preacher
Minmatar
Reikoku
KenZoku
Posted - 2005.02.08 08:38:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: fugazii
tbh i have to agree w/jqa on this, theyre still fighting therefor its contested. just because they dont use bs, doesnt mean theyve lost, even if it is only w/frigs, its a bit hypocritical tbh considering back 5 months ago ca only defended thier space with ruptures.


Yeah and Quarath has set precedence for this previously too.

PA remained on the map, with the BoB colour surrounding it in Venal through the same thing.

So I guess it's just the case that as long as both sides want to contest it, there isn't really anything Quarath can do except put both sides on there.

I didn't agree with it at the time but I suppose unless you can hold a region for 3 months uncontested then it isn't yours.

IMO, uncontested means holding the stations for 80-90% of the time.

Seems to be the way of things anyway?

dbp


Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2005.02.08 08:49:00 - [21]
 

If there were a definition for holding space that everyone can agree to, then it would be easier.

Thing is, nobody really agrees to what it means to hold space.

Where there are conquerable stations, it might make sense to say that whoever holds them at least 80-90% of the time, like DBpreacher suggested, 'owns' the space. For other regions, it is more difficult.

Unayoq
Caldari
LFC
Lotka Volterra
Posted - 2005.02.08 18:00:00 - [22]
 

To save space, you can use "3FA" for the 3rd Front Alliance. Most people who care about our existence (friends, neutrals and foes) will know what that means. :)

0mega
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2005.02.08 18:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: The Chef
Originally by: The Enslaver
Aye, however You need to change the 'JQA' to 'SUPRM'.


Lies. JQA is still there, we just choose to fight on our own terms, avoiding your BS/Assult Frigate gank fleets.

Look at it this way: You can't pull out to go attack Xetic/FA because JQA is still around. This seems proof enough that it is not "your" space yet.



Supremacy control this space you have a few people there doing guerilla warfare 15-20 no more but you live from safe spots and always hide when confronted by a fleet, you just look for single ganks on unsuspecting individuals, you never fight fleet on fleet your power and presence there is over, you just refuse to accept the truth, all alliance and corps that claim space have guerilla forces in them. the truh is we NPC hunt, we mine and do as we want in our space you cannot claim that anymore.all ye do is hide.

Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2005.02.08 19:17:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Beringe on 08/02/2005 19:17:51
Originally by: 0mega
the truh is we NPC hunt, we mine and do as we want in our space you cannot claim that anymore.all ye do is hide.

And do you stop us from doing the same?

I'd say contested space. No more.

EDIT: Actually, Tholarim said it before I did.

Shin Ra
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2005.02.08 22:37:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: General Killah
Can you please put a small contested zone around the T-nn area in Stain region, Rome have quite a strong hold on it, and a skull and crossbones in 4GQ would also be appropriate(many battle between Rome and Stain happen there.



Burn Eden, Rome and Unknown Shoe have been working together around the 4GQ system in Stain. Engagements have take place all over the region, and the route up towards HED-GP. Please make a red blip on the map that say, "Burn Eden/R0ME/Unknown Shoe vs SE". Although Burn Eden have only been here a few day, BS kills are mounting up and I know R0ME and UNKN have kills heaps since they have been here.

Suicide Kingston
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.02.08 23:47:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Unayoq
To save space, you can use "3FA" for the 3rd Front Alliance. Most people who care about our existence (friends, neutrals and foes) will know what that means. :)



As long as JQA stands your existence will be. Because you choose not to fight with your once ally when war broke out will be the death of you as well.

Trooper B99
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.02.09 12:43:00 - [27]
 

I would say, lets put the JQA constellation as contested between SUPRM and JQA just now, just to keep things friendly.

The map after that . . . well, that's something else. This is a progressive history after all. Wink


Originally by: Suicide Kingston
As long as JQA stands your existence will be. Because you choose not to fight with your once ally when war broke out will be the death of you as well


Well lad, actually they did fight for a long time after war broke out. I don't want to get into it here as it's not the place, but i'd suggest checking out:

Part 1 - 3FA's reasons for Leaving the war
Part 2 - JQA startng hostilities with 3FA
Part 3 - JQA Hiring Mercs instead

ElricUK
Gallente
Synergy.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2005.02.09 19:54:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: ElricUK on 09/02/2005 19:58:30
G Alliance doesnt claim or control the deklein region and no longer holds its 3 stations. 'Northern Community' might be an appropriate label for the region, for the moment at any rate.

Suicide Kingston
Minmatar
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.02.10 13:44:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Trooper B99
I would say, lets put the JQA constellation as contested between SUPRM and JQA just now, just to keep things friendly.

The map after that . . . well, that's something else. This is a progressive history after all. Wink


Originally by: Suicide Kingston
As long as JQA stands your existence will be. Because you choose not to fight with your once ally when war broke out will be the death of you as well


Well lad, actually they did fight for a long time after war broke out. I don't want to get into it here as it's not the place, but i'd suggest checking out:

Part 1 - 3FA's reasons for Leaving the war
Part 2 - JQA startng hostilities with 3FA
Part 3 - JQA Hiring Mercs instead


How CONVENIENT for all these things to happen. As for 3FA fighting a hopeless battle, well maybe they should have regrouped with JQA forces instead of trying to slug it out on their own. Sounds like an error in judgement which is not JQAs fault.

For 3FA to claim neutrals are getting killed in a time of war in a system past their official claimed territory, so what? Alliances have been doing it for years and haven't broken treaties over it. Did you ever consider warning JQA for it's policies before pulling out or are you using hindsight as 20-20 for an excuse?

As far as I am concerned, Supremacy has learned how alliances can fall internally from what CA has gone through and used this information to destablize a treaty. They hand picked small industrialized alliances with little PvP experience. They picked them a part partly with might and partly through diplomacy. While your tactics are supreme (no pun intended) they did not go unnoticed.

This certainly is not far-fetched, especially since we have Supremacy now defending 3FA on the boards. To me it sounds as if you offered 3FA a deal just like the other corporations within JQA. I believe this because they actually set their standings toward you to 5.1 and JQA to 0! The only reason I can see for that is to allow you into their space and not allow JQA. 3FA officially covers their tracks with any JQA spies in their corps with a statement saying it's to avoid friendly fire. What they are really doing is saying Supremacy is our new friend.

Being that 3FA is a small alliance with little to no chance against you once JQA falls, it was obviously going to be them next. 3FA just bought themselves some time. I hope they are gathering their belongings soon.

Trooper B99
Caldari
Body Count Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2005.02.10 14:54:00 - [30]
 

Again, this isn't the place for this discussion as this is a community resource as edplained in the initial postings.


I will repost your comments and reply to you in this thread:Linkage



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