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Yesukhei
Gallente
Meridian 13
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.11.15 09:29:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 09:29:56
We all tend to think that our opinion is true and others' not. You're the only one to accuse everybody of this while being unwarrantedly self-assured and quite rude.
Actually, you're saying, that MB5 training time should be reduced because you want it to. But who are you to command CCP and us.

Khima
Posted - 2008.11.15 09:44:00 - [32]
 

Quite simply.

I don't want to wait a month to be able to move around a "ship" (an illusion) thats made of paiper thin, even with premium content lacks decent textures - yes I am talking amarr ships. I don't find sufficant reason for me to have to wait a whole month of my life just to be able to pilot this, its unreasonble.


Yesukhei
Gallente
Meridian 13
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.11.15 09:53:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 09:57:02
Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 09:56:26
No curses, no offences - you can be spoken to now =)

That is your choice. You can't stand another learning of MB5 - you ask to reduce training time or you're not going to learn it again ever. I believe, everebody has already heard your application, so there is no sense to keep on speaking about the matter, unless new arguments are involved.

For now, there are 2 reasons - your will and increasing mineral supply. The 1st is not really important for developers and community, the 2nd - well, I don't think, it's required - ships and modules' prices aren't too high at the moment. Maybe, we'll face this problem later.

Khima
Posted - 2008.11.15 10:03:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 10:04:42
Which leads me to a previous statement, the ratio of miners:PvP.
Yes, I agree that EvE is evolved around PvP and its main theme is starwars battles betwean ships. Now out of the entire PvP CCP divised the whole theme of mining and manufacturieng to supplement the PvP, otherwise we would be playing "World of EvE" (raiding deadspace bases to get gold for a new ship does NOT sound very interesting I assure you).

To my main point.
For you to auctly get anything near a good amout of isk out of mining/manufactureing you need a hulk or coveter, otherwise the entire ratio of time:Mining yield is turned FUBAR. The Retriver is the first step of couse, but its still still has a bad ratio. The mawk is somewhat better, but is more suited for icemining.

The only way for you to acuttely get a decent income pr the time:yield ratio you need a hulk and a rorqual or an orca to support it, not to mention you need to be at least 4-5 people. Otherwise its a waste of time, strongly influenced by currently prices.

The way I see it, it should be made easyer to aquire the needed mining equipment so people would auctly take interest into mining, one benefit would be a drake dropping to 35m instead of the 45m currently.

Sir Substance
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.11.15 10:23:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Khima
Quite simply.

I don't want to wait a month to be able to move around a "ship" (an illusion) thats made of paiper thin, even with premium content lacks decent textures - yes I am talking amarr ships. I don't find sufficant reason for me to have to wait a whole month of my life just to be able to pilot this, its unreasonble.




well guess what? you have to.

you dont like it, tough bikkies.

i would like to be able to not have to wait several months to a year to fly a carrier effectively. i would like to not have to take about a year and a half to two years to fly every titan effectively.

but guess what? i ahve to. because if i could be flying a titan tomorrow, a) the game would be hugely imbalanced and b) the game wouldn't be fun.


a large portion of the fun is being able to fly a ship someone else cant. there are tonnes of players out there who cant use a hulk because they cant be bothered training lvl 5 barge. every time i see someone who is 8 months old and mining in a rettie, i shine a little inside because i know ive got more sticking power then them.


mining barge V takes a month, get over it, or get out. either way, stop whining.

Yesukhei
Gallente
Meridian 13
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.11.15 10:29:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 11:37:52
The problem of cluster economics is extremely compmplicated. I cannot fully realise it at once. I also lack statistic information.
What I'm sure of, is that we can't use only miners and PvPers numbers to make decisions. It's rather a question, from where resources come to the world and where they disappear, and I really fear to touch it - that requires total changes in NPC system, starting with creation of NPC miners and producers, creating modules and ships wear, accidents, reduce loot from destryed ships, change missions.... It's awful. Current system works, don't push it before we're all ready for it.

I think, it would be better to increase GREATLY mining and producing abilities of the young players (frigates, low-tech barges and transports), and, vice versa, make high-tech ships less available.

What Trigger
Posted - 2008.11.15 10:47:00 - [37]
 

Lol wait to you realise that you need Astrogeolgy 5 which is a longer skill again. And Mining barge 5 it doesnt take a month if you have decent learning skills, and for needing miners we in the drone regions will do just fine without them Smile

Yesukhei
Gallente
Meridian 13
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.11.15 11:18:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Yesukhei on 15/11/2008 11:17:54
Astrogeology is no problem, with mem and int above 20 (maybe more, if I care to learn rank 3 learnings to 3-4) =)


Nemtar Nataal
Demonic Retribution
Posted - 2008.11.15 11:33:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Khima
Edited by: Khima on 14/11/2008 22:30:23
More ore = more ships = more ships = more PvP = more chaos. Its that friggen simple.

I've already endured twice the waiting time now and honestly it's such an annoyance to me that I want to make sure that eveyone else don't have to endure this mindnumbingly long training time.

If ya wanna fly a hulk: get ready to wait at least 2 months, total waiting time.


ExclamationSee this is where you got it ALL WRONG...

More mins dont mean more ships and more PvP, it means more inflaction thus mining will actually make less isk if more people can do it!

Having the argument that it would make it easier for you to getinto a ship is pointless as you dont look at all the other pilotes around you and how it would affect them...

So stop your mindless winding and do what everyone else does which is cope.

The beauty is that as its equally dificult for everyone to get in the ship...once you get in it you will make more isk then if it had been easier to get into it just basically because everyone else faces the same problem that it will take them ages to get into the hulk and thus will prioretise something else more.

So try and undestand the complexety of the game and accept that the current form and training time helps you more then you actually care to admit!

NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
Posted - 2008.11.15 12:24:00 - [40]
 

If you don't like your training times then get some implants. Mining Barge V is only a 20 day skill time for me. BTW, don't forget to train for T2 crystals. That will add another good month on your training for all of the ores. :D

Darth Vaders
Caldari
Divine Slaves
Posted - 2008.11.15 12:36:00 - [41]
 

LOL i think this suggestion is because of the ORCA.

Noone had a problem before ORCA. Now all of a sudden all these people are suggestioning a diminishing in training time of mining bardge to 5. The reason is they never trained a single mining skill but they want to use the ORCA for salvaging.

I happen to have trained mining bardge to 5 and i have lost much much time to do that only to realise that all these sps were rather useless because mining is unprofitable and boring to do. But now with the ORCA i can do some good salvaging at last. The ORCA is a super salvaging ship. It's liek a salvaging Marauder. Now how would it seem to you if a miner or a researcher would ask to diminish the training towards a Marauder or towards tech 2 Large turrets just because he would have invested his training elsewere?

For the above reasons i find this idea lame.

Daevonar
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.11.15 13:51:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Khima
Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 08:20:21
So many people here have there heads stuck so far up there ass....


people are sticking their heads inside their donkeys... who the hell owns a donkey anymore?

NightF0x
Gallente
Intergalactic League of Terrorists
Posted - 2008.11.15 15:07:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Khima
Edited by: Khima on 15/11/2008 10:04:42
Which leads me to a previous statement, the ratio of miners:PvP.
Yes, I agree that EvE is evolved around PvP and its main theme is starwars battles betwean ships. Now out of the entire PvP CCP divised the whole theme of mining and manufacturieng to supplement the PvP, otherwise we would be playing "World of EvE" (raiding deadspace bases to get gold for a new ship does NOT sound very interesting I assure you).

To my main point.
For you to auctly get anything near a good amout of isk out of mining/manufactureing you need a hulk or coveter, otherwise the entire ratio of time:Mining yield is turned FUBAR. The Retriver is the first step of couse, but its still still has a bad ratio. The mawk is somewhat better, but is more suited for icemining.

The only way for you to acuttely get a decent income pr the time:yield ratio you need a hulk and a rorqual or an orca to support it, not to mention you need to be at least 4-5 people. Otherwise its a waste of time, strongly influenced by currently prices.

The way I see it, it should be made easyer to aquire the needed mining equipment so people would auctly take interest into mining, one benefit would be a drake dropping to 35m instead of the 45m currently.


You do realize that prices on the market for ships are not set by CCP, right? We live in a player driven market.

Your attitude towards mining shows that you don't mine yourself. You can easily make a decent living with 2 accounts (1 on a Hulk and another on an Iterion hauler). No, you won't make as much as a mission runner but you are playing a sub-role to the manufacturers. It is like comparing the wages of someone that works on a production line vs a sales agent. They are 2 completely different roles in the company and how the company works.

Now the training time to get into a decent exhumer is going to be high. Why, you ask? You are flying a T2 barge (or better known as an Exhumer). T2 equipment has always had high skill requirements to get into them. The Hulk is the highest level Exhumer that you can acquire and is pretty much an end-game item for miners. It should have extremely high skill requirements to discourage everyone from taking this route and flooding the market with ore, thus causing the prices to drop.

If you had a character focused on mining to start with then you would have limited skill training to do in order to fly the Orca. Basically what I'm saying is suck it up because it is better for the game to have fewer miners and more PVP'ers than to have everyone flying a Hulk and stripping every belt within hours of them being restocked every week. And please quit trying to compare the income of miners to any other career in Eve. Just like in life, not every career will bring in a bunch of income.

Tarron Sarek
Gallente
Biotronics Inc.
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2008.11.15 15:22:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Tarron Sarek
Battleship 5

Stop complaining.

Oh, and I'm currently doing it for the second time.




You probably wish they made it like they made Battlecruisers, don't you?


No, I actually wish they did Battlecruisers like they did Cruisers.
You missed my point. I wasn't complaining.
I just find it silly to complain about Mining Barge 5, since that's a mere rank 4 skill. It's not even comparable with Cruiser 5 and definitely not with Battleship 5, which I was referring to.

ITTigerClawIK
Amarr
Galactic Rangers
Galactic-Rangers
Posted - 2008.11.15 15:35:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Khima
A whole bleeding month! Why in the nine ****ing hells do we need to wait a whole damn month!? Its insane! There is no way in the world that anyone would want to wait a whole ****ing month just to fly one damn ship! Reduce the damn waiting time to a baseline of 2 weeks! Its a huge/major/massive/grande turn-off to see anyone that is even remotely interested in the mining barge skills: "No way i'm waiting a month, no way - i'm gonna pvp instead"

HUGE MAJOR TUNROFF! A whole month, jesus christe! Who are you kidding!?
****ing reduction man! Reduction! 2 weeks tops! Even with the best skills!

Now come the **** on and don't give me any bull**** about balance, the ratio of miners to PVP players is like 1:20! Stop scareing people way from mining!

And no, there is no point in mining in a stupid cruiser or retriver, its compleately utter junk compared to a hulk, I did the number couch on it.

Its not that ****ing hard to make a reduction in the damn training system, just change a couple numbers and thats done it! Seriously! Evil or Very Mad


i can tell you never heard of learning skills

and if they reduce the time for mining barge 5 for a months training then they will have to reduce the 65 days training for Amarr carrier to lvl 5.

now quit whining and get on with something else while you wait >_>

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C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.15 21:46:00 - [46]
 

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