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C C P Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.11 23:51:00 - [1]
 

Quantum Rise, the latest expansion release for EVE Online, has been deployed. The Tranquility server is now online and accepting connections.

Please use this thread to provide us with your feedback and thoughts on the deployment of PLEX (30 day Pilots License Extension). It is important to us to know of any issues that you encounter or feedback that you have while using this new feature.

Full details regarding PLEX can be found in Oveur's Blog.

The Dev Team will be monitoring this thread throughout the next few days to keep abreast of the PLEX deployment and status.

Fredou
Gallente
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2008.11.12 01:16:00 - [2]
 

first thing I can say is:

I, welcome, the overlords resellers.
I, welcome, the overpriced price for the reason above.


unless you put something to prevent reselling? (did you?)

CCP finnz

Posted - 2008.11.12 01:24:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Fredou
first thing I can say is:

I, welcome, the overlords resellers.
I, welcome, the overpriced price for the reason above.


unless you put something to prevent reselling? (did you?)


You can resell PLEx (Pilot License) like you would resell any other item in eve.

Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
Posted - 2008.11.12 01:35:00 - [4]
 

What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money?

branodn lee
Minmatar
kadian blades
Posted - 2008.11.12 01:36:00 - [5]
 

did ccp think about that fact now the gtc price's are going to double unless you stop it. i say eve total accounts are going to go down by 10% because who is going to pay 350mill or more per 30days..

Caiman Graystock
Caldari
Cornelius Starship and Computer Design
Posted - 2008.11.12 01:42:00 - [6]
 

Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price.

branodn lee
Minmatar
kadian blades
Posted - 2008.11.12 01:47:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Caiman Graystock
Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price.


thats why i say only about 10% will kill off 1 or more accounts. i know i will have to close all 4 of my accounts, even this one. i cant afford to pay for eve with rl cash, and i cant afford it with isk now ether...

Skeezer
Amarr
Posted - 2008.11.12 02:25:00 - [8]
 

How do you set up a sell order for the pilot's license?

Arri Gato
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.12 02:26:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Arri Gato on 12/11/2008 02:27:05
Originally by: branodn lee
Originally by: Caiman Graystock
Give the market time to equalise, anything new always goes for high isk to begin with. As for the cost, who'd have thought people would pay 600m for 60 days- yet they continue to sell near that price.


thats why i say only about 10% will kill off 1 or more accounts. i know i will have to close all 4 of my accounts, even this one. i cant afford to pay for eve with rl cash, and i cant afford it with isk now ether...



There is free games you can play, or maybe get a job? Or maybe you would like eve to be ad-financed?

I think this is a good feature, and the prices will stabilize.

Tigaro Spiritor
Posted - 2008.11.12 02:38:00 - [10]
 

Good job exposing the ETC to proper market forces, prices have already dropped to 200 million in Oursulaert. Very Happy

Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account?

branodn lee
Minmatar
kadian blades
Posted - 2008.11.12 02:39:00 - [11]
 




There is free games you can play, or maybe get a job? Or maybe you would like eve to be ad-financed?

I think this is a good feature, and the prices will stabilize.



i do have a job but i don't make much, i can barely pay my bills so paying for a game is not happening. so before you start telling people to get a job think about how the hole worlds economy is doing right now and eat it.

Len Huntae
Posted - 2008.11.12 06:13:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Skeezer
How do you set up a sell order for the pilot's license?


Buy an ETC as per usual (a list of ETC resellers can be accessed under your account sidebar). Go in game, hit escape and you will see a new button on the lower left side next to "your petitions". Hit "convert etc" and voila, you will get 2 30 day PLEX's. It can only be done at a station, and cannot leave the station you create them at, so don't mess it up Smile.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2008.11.12 06:43:00 - [13]
 

I suppose the question raised in one of the GD threads deserves some reposting: Are scams involving PLEX's going to be legal, or should we expect swift GM action if someone sells his code to me for 2m instead of 200m. Not that I would, just wondering for posterity Shocked

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2008.11.12 08:17:00 - [14]
 

We need moar price gouging peeps, get to it! Mad

0vermama
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor
Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account?


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Skeezer
Amarr
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:22:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Len Huntae
Originally by: Skeezer
How do you set up a sell order for the pilot's license?


Buy an ETC as per usual (a list of ETC resellers can be accessed under your account sidebar). Go in game, hit escape and you will see a new button on the lower left side next to "your petitions". Hit "convert etc" and voila, you will get 2 30 day PLEX's. It can only be done at a station, and cannot leave the station you create them at, so don't mess it up Smile.


Thanks mate.

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:26:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Poreuomai on 12/11/2008 12:27:10
Quote:
# Gates which are currently Smuggler stargates will remain so.
# Gates between systems in the same constellation will use Small gates.
# Gates between systems in different constellations in the same region will use Medium gates.
# Gates between systems in different regions will use Large gates.
# Gates between two major hisec empires have border gates of the appropriate faction on each side.
# Gates between a major hisec empire (as defined above) and 0.0 space have border gates on both sides; on both sides the gate type is determined by the asteroid pirates present as usual.
# Gates in systems with Blood Raider or Sansha asteroid pirates will use Amarr gates.
# Gates in systems with Guristas asteroid pirates will use Caldari Gates.
# Gates in systems with Serpentis or Rogue Drone asteroid pirates will use Gallente gates.
# Gates in systems with Angel asteroid pirates will use Minmatar gates.

It's a small change but a welcome one as it makes the universe slightly more believable.

CCP Fallout

Posted - 2008.11.12 12:36:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Last Wolf
What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money?



Because PLEXes are in-game items, selling them on eBay is not allowed.

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:54:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Last Wolf
What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money?



Because PLEXes are in-game items, selling them on eBay is not allowed.
Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them?

0vermama
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Originally by: CCP Fallout
Originally by: Last Wolf
What about E-bayers? Are these Items still considered Property of CCP, considering they are almost directly bought with the (Original) Owner's money?



Because PLEXes are in-game items, selling them on eBay is not allowed.
Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them?

if you sell a GTC for 2m instead of 200m that is not a scam
WTF open your(not you C) eyes if you dont open the wallet

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:12:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Chribba
Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them?


It's the first in-game item market-item which can be bought with RL cash and sold on the open eve-market for ISK, so that's a tricky one regarding scamming. On the other hand, if you are scamming then you would probably NOT actually be dealing with items bought with RL money (though the other party would think you are) so meh.

But more to the point, why is Chribba asking about scamming??? Laughing

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:14:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: Chribba
Judging by that, then it's OK to scam using them since they're in-game items, and as long as you don't take advantage of any exploits you can do just whatever you like with them?


It's the first in-game item market-item which can be bought with RL cash and sold on the open eve-market for ISK, so that's a tricky one regarding scamming. On the other hand, if you are scamming then you would probably NOT actually be dealing with items bought with RL money (though the other party would think you are) so meh.

But more to the point, why is Chribba asking about scamming??? Laughing
So I can secure it of course Smile No really just to know how they treat it since, as you said, it's the first in-game item that you actually can buy for real money.

CCP Explorer

Posted - 2008.11.12 15:41:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor
Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account?
You can always apply the ETC code to an expired account through the account management web site. To buy, sell and apply a PLEX token you need to be in-game.

Ki Anna
Ki Tech Industries
Posted - 2008.11.12 16:06:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor
Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account?
You can always apply the ETC code to an expired account through the account management web site. To buy, sell and apply a PLEX token you need to be in-game.
Okay, so any idea on when you will allow the application of a PLEX token to an inactive account?

neoe77
Amarr
Posted - 2008.11.12 17:05:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: neoe77 on 12/11/2008 17:10:46
Edited by: neoe77 on 12/11/2008 17:06:46
Originally by: Ki Anna
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Tigaro Spiritor
Any idea when you will allow applying the ETC to another expired account?
You can always apply the ETC code to an expired account through the account management web site. To buy, sell and apply a PLEX token you need to be in-game.
Okay, so any idea on when you will allow the application of a PLEX token to an inactive account?

I think you cannot do this. unless the inactive account has the isk to buy a PLEX by calling his sprit out from his frozen body to place an order on the plex market, that will not hurt the rule of no-RMT. or it could be a RMT action.

cleardew
Posted - 2008.11.13 02:40:00 - [26]
 

Is there a way to move the PLEX cards? I didn't realize they are not moveable and they have been placed in a hanger far away from Jita, where the PLEX market seems to be a lot more active. I can't undock with them in a cargohold... so any other thoughts? Or any way we can move these around safely?

Last Wolf
Umbra Wing
Posted - 2008.11.13 02:45:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: cleardew
Is there a way to move the PLEX cards? I didn't realize they are not moveable and they have been placed in a hanger far away from Jita, where the PLEX market seems to be a lot more active. I can't undock with them in a cargohold... so any other thoughts? Or any way we can move these around safely?


Read patch notes/dev blog.

Chian XinLian
Darwin's Contraptions
Posted - 2008.11.13 08:41:00 - [28]
 

How difficult would it be to make all PLEX trading global, orders crossing borders. They are Concord items, so they are global in that sense.

Right now they are at best region wide, when you see them on some region @ 200mil, they might as well be 400mil on somewhere else. Currently finding cheapest sell orders / highest buy orders requires flying across several regions. Adding alt to every region aint really an option.

Also, since they are station locked and cannot be moved (in any way) market cannot compensate differences through traders/haulers.

They can be applied from assets so in that sense there is no reason why they couldnt be traded global instead of current 'region wide at best'..

If you really want PLEX to be adhered with your market in eveuniverse - make plex global commodity..

Rivqua
Caldari
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.11.13 10:24:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Chian XinLian
How difficult would it be to make all PLEX trading global, orders crossing borders. They are Concord items, so they are global in that sense.

Right now they are at best region wide, when you see them on some region @ 200mil, they might as well be 400mil on somewhere else. Currently finding cheapest sell orders / highest buy orders requires flying across several regions. Adding alt to every region aint really an option.

Also, since they are station locked and cannot be moved (in any way) market cannot compensate differences through traders/haulers.

They can be applied from assets so in that sense there is no reason why they couldnt be traded global instead of current 'region wide at best'..

If you really want PLEX to be adhered with your market in eveuniverse - make plex global commodity..


Not at best or at worst, they are region wide, period. The market servers are region wide. They don't talk to eachother. They each handle a region.

/Riv

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2008.11.13 11:01:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: GM Grimmi
CCP has not made any special exceptions for the Pilotís License items. They are treated as regular in-game items with regards to market orders and contracts. Scams are easily avoidable by careful scrutiny of market orders and contracts and we urge anyone to be alert when dealing in Pilotís Licenses.

Be sure to check actual item in contracts and the actual price of the Pilotís License on offer. Also make sure to check prices for Pilotís Licenses in market buy and sell orders before accepting the transaction.

As with any policy, this is subject to change if deemed necessary.



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