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Fir Q
Minmatar
Steel Fleet
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.11.12 02:59:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Viper ShizzIe
Originally by: Fir Q


(7:49:40 PM) VipperShizzle: Dude, just join o****
(7:49:44 PM) VipperShizzle: but make sure you get me access to your forums first


quoting a failed chatlog attempt


dude, it's on CAOD, it's obviously true.

Plus i use the program called Pidgion and that's how it shows up when i talks to you on MSN *shrug*

Sacul
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.11.12 03:28:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Fir Q
Originally by: Viper ShizzIe
I'm sure Fir Q will be removed from EC alliance leadership in the days to come.

Or last night.


I have a personal invite from Shiz to join Illuminati.

(7:49:40 PM) VipperShizzle: Dude, just join o****
(7:49:44 PM) VipperShizzle: but make sure you get me access to your forums first



I can't figure out if you are just a naive nubin or really really stupid. You sure as hell are new to COAD.

Hubris
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.12 03:39:00 - [153]
 

O**** would be a good Corp for you. Send me 5 bil and I will put in a good word for you.

Dungar Loghoth
Caldari
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
Posted - 2008.11.12 03:54:00 - [154]
 

I prefer Shamis's explanation.

Nathan Rothschild
Gallente
New Eden Securities Exchange Commission
Posted - 2008.11.12 04:17:00 - [155]
 

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Aaron Mirrorsaver
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.11.12 04:23:00 - [156]
 

Originally by: VaNari
The full story starts two days ago while EC was deployed to help PL in Venal. (Take note that EC had been deployed for a few days) While EC was deployed SOT came into the 7BX-6F region and began open hostile with around a 70 man fleet. During hostile yesterday SOT setup a POS and brought in an additional 5-10 cap ship fleet and began hostile against EC POS's.

EC's response during this time was to hold conversations with PL and SOT. I hold no knowledge of these convos, but the end result was PL told EC to get out. (Personally I'd like to know why when EC to my knowledge did buy the regions in question from PL.) During the convo EC and allies continue to be attacked, but fired no return hostile shoots on SOT.

After diplomacy had broke down open hostilities against SOT began by EC and CONOS. The main goal of these hostilities was to break pilots out of the EC owned station in 7BX-6F because SOT had deployed bubbles throughout the 7BX-6F system in what I think was hopes to trap pilots in system.

After hostilities and all pilots were relativity safe logistics maneuvers were taken by both side. I hold no knowledge of these maneuvers.

Beginning around 20:00 eve time SOT once again locked down the 7BX-6F system and a huge fleet battle ensured with max system reaching around 250-300 in system. Specifics on the battle I cannot report, but I can say that the fight was eventually ended when PL dropped two Titans and double DD'd. (Reminds me of someone spraying two dogs with water). End result, fight over till another day. .

In regards to EC being in the GBC, while I can't say for a fact that they are not, it is news to 99.9% of us here in fountain that we are. (Seems like a convenient excuse to kick out EC)

If anything here is wrong I am just going off what I have heard while engaged in the fountain region. I hold no claims to the extent of damage or the exact motives of either side involved; however, I will say that I am in CONOS and I am supporting EC in this fight.





this is what you get for being a pet in a pet alliance. Seriously what did you expect?
buying regions now yeah... thats a good one.

After taking it back from you, they should sell it to you again and rinse and repeat.

Nathan Rothschild
Gallente
New Eden Securities Exchange Commission
Posted - 2008.11.12 04:50:00 - [157]
 

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Halada
Caldari
Lone Star Joint Venture
Posted - 2008.11.12 07:03:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Fir Q
The truth is that being a "PL Customer" means you're only safe as long as you owe them something. The moment they are paid off you're no longer safe.
[...]
I've put more time into this alliance than anyone else in it and simply put this is how I was repaid for my work.



I can feel your pain and can certainly sympathize with the disappointment you must be facing. You became a geek without a life outside of EVE for months like any Alliance leaders did, built something, and got stabbed. But HOW, and I ask this with the gentlest tone possible, HOW the **** did you not see this coming?

Aside the usual trolls I've seen people throw words like "disgusting" or "backstabbing". That were true if PL would have had a history of being fairplay with a sensor of e-honor, but they never did, and never hid that. So you sold a few hundreds GTC, or slaved some of your members into plexing, and thought buying half a region worth billions in resources from an Alliance much superior to you in strength, would be a good idea? Perhaps a good short term idea, if you can make your investment back, but a pretty ****ing stupid idea if you thought this would last forever.

This is PL we're talking about. Saying this is "a complete shock" just shows you were too naive all along and didn't do your homework. ****ed is fine, shocked isn't.

Welcome to EVE?

Fir Q
Minmatar
Steel Fleet
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.11.12 07:05:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: Fir Q on 12/11/2008 07:08:20
Originally by: Halada
Originally by: Fir Q
The truth is that being a "PL Customer" means you're only safe as long as you owe them something. The moment they are paid off you're no longer safe.
[...]
I've put more time into this alliance than anyone else in it and simply put this is how I was repaid for my work.



I can feel your pain and can certainly sympathize with the disappointment you must be facing. You became a geek without a life outside of EVE for months like any Alliance leaders did, built something, and got stabbed. But HOW, and I ask this with the gentlest tone possible, HOW the **** did you not see this coming?

Aside the usual trolls I've seen people throw words like "disgusting" or "backstabbing". That were true if PL would have had a history of being fairplay with a sensor of e-honor, but they never did, and never hid that. So you sold a few hundreds GTC, or slaved some of your members into plexing, and thought buying half a region worth billions in resources from an Alliance much superior to you in strength, would be a good idea? Perhaps a good short term idea, if you can make your investment back, but a pretty ****ing stupid idea if you thought this would last forever.

This is PL we're talking about. Saying this is "a complete shock" just shows you were too naive all along and didn't do your homework. ****ed is fine, shocked isn't.

Welcome to EVE?


I think the shock is more me being scape goated. Than anything, we always knew the chance of them turning on us was there. I just hope they let SoT try to take us alone, it's fun :D

EDIT - oh, and we made all our isk back and then some so far.

Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.12 09:07:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Halada
Originally by: Fir Q
The truth is that being a "PL Customer" means you're only safe as long as you owe them something. The moment they are paid off you're no longer safe.
[...]
I've put more time into this alliance than anyone else in it and simply put this is how I was repaid for my work.



I can feel your pain and can certainly sympathize with the disappointment you must be facing. You became a geek without a life outside of EVE for months like any Alliance leaders did, built something, and got stabbed. But HOW, and I ask this with the gentlest tone possible, HOW the **** did you not see this coming?

Aside the usual trolls I've seen people throw words like "disgusting" or "backstabbing". That were true if PL would have had a history of being fairplay with a sensor of e-honor, but they never did, and never hid that. So you sold a few hundreds GTC, or slaved some of your members into plexing, and thought buying half a region worth billions in resources from an Alliance much superior to you in strength, would be a good idea? Perhaps a good short term idea, if you can make your investment back, but a pretty ****ing stupid idea if you thought this would last forever.

This is PL we're talking about. Saying this is "a complete shock" just shows you were too naive all along and didn't do your homework. ****ed is fine, shocked isn't.

Welcome to EVE?


TBH this is less of a back stab and more the removal of something irritating that has no use. Now to be fair for most of pl EC was one of our favourite renters. They were useful at times for helping our us timezone and if they had just carried on like that then things would have been cool and we probabaly would have became long term friends.

Instead EC started demanding more and more from us. Lets ignore the fact that the only reason they still have space is due to use rescueing them. They demanded compensation for setting other renters blue. They demanded compensation for moons they took in a lang grab after we did the leg work. And they were just generally a pain in the butt.

Anyways as i said theres alot of cool guys in EC and im sorry to see us neutral to them but this really is a lesson in why not to **** all over the hand that feeds you.

KENDO AIRDOG
Gallente
Meat 2 Veg
La Cosa Nostra Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.12 12:25:00 - [161]
 

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Joe Elliot
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:29:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: KENDO AIRDOG
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Possible - or perhaps they are just enjoying the attention, and not really caring much about what whiners think will "happen to them" after this drama? :)

NAT Mav
Caldari
TribalWar Inc
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:42:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
moons they took in a lang grab after we did the leg work.


Clearly not:

http://eve-search.com/thread/879987/page/1

Firkragg
Amarr
Blood Covenant
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.12 13:55:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: NAT Mav
Originally by: Firkragg
moons they took in a lang grab after we did the leg work.


Clearly not:

http://eve-search.com/thread/879987/page/1



So your saying it wasnt a land grab since they took it from a 12 man corp or whatever it was instead of having to face a group like unat for it?

NAT Mav
Caldari
TribalWar Inc
Posted - 2008.11.12 14:15:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
So your saying it wasnt a land grab since they took it from a 12 man corp or whatever it was instead of having to face a group like unat for it?


EC fought for those two moons, regardless of who had them at the time.

As far as keeping them, EC assisted PL in the taking of two more Prom moons in a deal (proposed by PL) to keep them.

If PL wanted EC off the moons, they shouldn't have made that deal, and later reneged.

Quote:
?[ 2008.10.06 01:06:03 ] Hortoken Wolfbrother > We've decided you can keep the f7c moons, but you meat one condition
?[ 2008.10.06 01:12:31 ] Hortoken Wolfbrother > we're going to hit towers at 24:00 tomorrow
?[ 2008.10.06 01:12:41 ] Hortoken Wolfbrother > provide RR bs/guardians
?[ 2008.10.06 01:15:24 ] Hortoken Wolfbrother > if you can provide around 12-15 bs for an hour+ some support, thatd be more than enough



Now, if you just want to say "haha we took EC's ISK and now we're kicking them out", I'm sure we can all live with that...it's a risk you take trusting anyone in EVE. But PL trying to justify their actions is laughable. Can't let all your other renters see your true colors, can we?

Narciss Sevar
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.12 14:44:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 12/11/2008 14:44:23
Originally by: NAT Mav
Originally by: Firkragg
So your saying it wasnt a land grab since they took it from a 12 man corp or whatever it was instead of having to face a group like unat for it?


EC fought for those two moons, regardless of who had them at the time.

As far as keeping them, EC assisted PL in the taking of two more Prom moons in a deal (proposed by PL) to keep them.

If PL wanted EC off the moons, they shouldn't have made that deal, and later reneged.


We never reneged on the deal. ID wanted you off those moons and weren't going to let you keep them without causing headaches. So a replacement deal was arranged where we would get you a dyspro(fir q made it with shamis), he then went around pestering other directors about the deal as well, which was the straw that in the end broke the camels back and we decided you were more trouble than you are worth.

Shadoo
Gallente
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.12 14:57:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: NAT Mav

Now, if you just want to say "haha we took EC's ISK and now we're kicking them out", I'm sure we can all live with that...it's a risk you take trusting anyone in EVE. But PL trying to justify their actions is laughable. Can't let all your other renters see your true colors, can we?


You paid for your space, we defended your space after payment against RQM, you started to be annoying to deal with and went on to demand a cut of the action without actually doing any heavy lifting of your own and thus we reset you. It's pretty simple.

Firkragg trying to play PL White Knight is about as dumb as you pretending to claim EC could have conquered F7C on your own had PL not been actively fighting against UNAT/CAN weeks before hand with fleet stationed in Outer Ring. It seems like you two are another special olympics boxing match in progress.

The BigOne
Gallente
Redheads and Railguns
Posted - 2008.11.12 22:04:00 - [168]
 

Methinks it's better to be a renter than a buyer, hey?

Fir Q
Minmatar
Steel Fleet
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.11.12 23:18:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Narciss Sevar
Edited by: Narciss Sevar on 12/11/2008 14:44:23
Originally by: NAT Mav
Originally by: Firkragg
So your saying it wasnt a land grab since they took it from a 12 man corp or whatever it was instead of having to face a group like unat for it?


EC fought for those two moons, regardless of who had them at the time.

As far as keeping them, EC assisted PL in the taking of two more Prom moons in a deal (proposed by PL) to keep them.

If PL wanted EC off the moons, they shouldn't have made that deal, and later reneged.


We never reneged on the deal. ID wanted you off those moons and weren't going to let you keep them without causing headaches. So a replacement deal was arranged where we would get you a dyspro(fir q made it with shamis), he then went around pestering other directors about the deal as well, which was the straw that in the end broke the camels back and we decided you were more trouble than you are worth.


When you actually provide some proof where I did that let me know.

Thanks!

/me waits for some fabricated goodness.

Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.11.12 23:49:00 - [170]
 


Demondrew
Minmatar
do you
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.11.13 09:39:00 - [171]
 

EC pilots quit posting here

GF in 7BX tonight Sot.


Demondrew/Bishop Malkori

Soban Vuex
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 10:35:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Soban Vuex on 13/11/2008 10:36:17
GF EC, thanks for the nearly 4 hours of straight pew pew, and pls stop shooting me with tower im not FC...

Quote:
2008.11.13 07:26

Victim: Soban Vuex
Corp: Bulgarian Mafia Squad
Alliance: Sons of Tangra
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Ishtar
System: 7BX-6F
Security: 0.0
Damage Taken: 64648

Mortuus
Minmatar
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.11.13 11:09:00 - [173]
 

Amazing battle guys!

gf SoT

Porgy
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 16:27:00 - [174]
 

my eyes are bleeding this morning. Ya'll had me up past my bedtime. GF EC. Thanks for livening up our TZ.

C4w3
Minmatar
Corp 1 Allstars
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.11.13 16:56:00 - [175]
 

EC and their /friends /former Pl petīs are angry .... SoT are regulary farming them, from their area, we are farming pl pets from our end, and in the middle angry carbears screaming on forums.

This was a Viper Shizzle approved Love post.

(Soban due to your win as a person you get a mentioning) *Spelling.

Laughing

Porgy
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 18:21:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: C4w3
EC and their /friends /former Pl petīs are angry .... SoT are regulary farming them, from their area, we are farming pl pets from our end, and in the middle angry carbears screaming on forums.

This was a Viper Shizzle approved Love post.

(Soban due to your win as a person you get a mentioning) *Spelling.

Laughing


pretty damn accurate.

Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 20:20:00 - [177]
 

Finlay forums allow me to post \o/

Soban Vuex
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 20:24:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: Soban Vuex on 13/11/2008 20:24:26
Originally by: C4w3
EC and their /friends /former Pl petīs are angry .... SoT are regulary farming them, from their area, we are farming pl pets from our end, and in the middle angry carbears screaming on forums.

This was a Viper Shizzle approved Love post.

(Soban due to your win as a person you get a mentioning) *Spelling.

Laughing

Do i get free Ishtar with that, im kinda low on resupply :D
And how's pet farming going for you, any good loot? Me admits i stole an Amarr Navy EANM to cover part of my godlike-suicide-carrier-tackling Ishtars who went down in flames but achieved their goal.

Rejected Enlightenment
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.13 20:35:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: C4w3

This was a Viper Shizzle approved Love post.



Confirming this.

<3 C4

Archetype02
Gallente
Black Flag Contract Auxiliary
Posted - 2008.11.13 21:03:00 - [180]
 

wow this thread has more pl alliance posters than goodfellas in a goodfellas fail thread.


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