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couger malthas
Amarr
Violent Purge PLC
Posted - 2008.11.09 04:05:00 - [1]
 

Jaguar bonuses have been clarified, and resistance bonuses have been removed.

What the **** is this ****?Confused

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.11.09 04:16:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: couger malthas
Jaguar bonuses have been clarified, and resistance bonuses have been removed.

What the **** is this ****?Confused



WELL i HOPE THAT MEANS THEY ARE BUILT IN LIKE THEY SHOULD BE. BUT WHAT HAS IT BEEN REPLACED BY?

stupid caps buttons.

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.09 04:30:00 - [3]
 

OMFG, are you telling me they finally gave AFs a real 4th bonus on the test server!? Please say it's so!

Joss Sparq
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.11.09 05:55:00 - [4]
 

I'd have thought if all the AF's (finally) got a new bonus, it would have been more clearly written than a single reference to the Jaguar.

* Oh, look. Interceptors get another bonus.

Grath Telkin
Amarr
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.09 06:07:00 - [5]
 

Singularity Retribution
Quote:
Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level




Tranquility
Quote:
Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Explosive resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level


Resists are all the exact same on both ships (TQ and SiSi).

It appears that the resistance bonus has been totally removed from the ships, NOT rolled into it.

Its gone from the description, and from the ship completely, you will get no bonuses to your armor and shields on AF's.

So much for trying to make them usefulRolling Eyes

Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.09 06:08:00 - [6]
 

Is this serious?

They did all this crusade to fix AFs then nerf them with the same swing?

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.11.09 06:15:00 - [7]
 

I hope you are kidding. Because that is a dumb, dumb change.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2008.11.09 06:42:00 - [8]
 

so now while other tech 2 ships get 5-6 bonuses AFs get 3?

Wandering Bob
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.11.09 06:59:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Grath Telkin
Singularity Retribution
Quote:
Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level




Tranquility
Quote:
Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Explosive resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level


Resists are all the exact same on both ships (TQ and SiSi).

It appears that the resistance bonus has been totally removed from the ships, NOT rolled into it.

Its gone from the description, and from the ship completely, you will get no bonuses to your armor and shields on AF's.

So much for trying to make them usefulRolling Eyes


Er, I'm in my Jag on TQ - I'm still getting the standard bonuses to resists. Sure they haven't just changed the description?

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.11.09 09:35:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 09/11/2008 09:44:29
Originally by: Wandering Bob
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Singularity Retribution
Quote:
Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level




Tranquility
Quote:
Amarr Frigate Skill Bonus: 10% reduction in Small Energy Turret cap use, 15% bonus to Shield and Armor Explosive resistance and 10% bonus to Shield and Armor Kinetic resistance per level

Assault Ships Skill Bonus: 10% bonus to Small Energy Turret optimal range and 5% bonus to Small Energy Turret damage per level


Resists are all the exact same on both ships (TQ and SiSi).

It appears that the resistance bonus has been totally removed from the ships, NOT rolled into it.

Its gone from the description, and from the ship completely, you will get no bonuses to your armor and shields on AF's.

So much for trying to make them usefulRolling Eyes


Er, I'm in my Jag on TQ - I'm still getting the standard bonuses to resists. Sure they haven't just changed the description?


That's what they did. The base resist bonuses are still applied to the hull, just no longer mentioned in the description. Essentially they now work the same as they do for HACs, applied but not mentioned. They did the same to the T2 industrials btw.

I'm just a little disappointed that they didn't give them a second real frigate bonus. Now they have just one frigate skill bonus.

To make it clear what they did:
Retribution:
75% resist bonus to explosive armor resistance and 50% resist bonus to kinetic armor resistance.

Base Explosive resist: 20%, add 75% of 80 (the difference between 100 and 20) which is 60.
End result 80% Explosive Resistance. (Correct, the Retribution has this on TQ and SiSi)

Base Kinetic resist: 25%, add 50% of 75 (the difference between 100 and 25) which is 37.5.
End result 62.5% Kinetic Resistance. (Correct, the Retribution has this on TQ and SiSi)

The bonus is still applied, as it's part of the hull it is just no longer mentioned in the description as this was confusing. All other T2 ships do this as well.
They have a resistance bonus, it is just not mentioned in their description.


Tzar'rim
Posted - 2008.11.09 09:54:00 - [11]
 

The Jaguar is pathetic though, all it can do it bleed on people.

Zalathar
Minmatar
Trannyz
Posted - 2008.11.09 10:28:00 - [12]
 

the AS resist bonus was always a "dummy bonus" it was pre applied. the resists that were shown on the attributes were the resists you got when you were in the ship. As everyone needs frig 5 to fly it, the bonus is of course the same for everyone.

Just needed to clarify things for you there.


 

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