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Diametrix
Caldari
Wavefront Industries
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:03:00 - [1]
 

The live dev blog was exciting. The plans that CCP has for growing EVE sound great.

But I have some considerable trepidation regarding world wide boxed distribution via a large company, in this case Atari.
Don't get me wrong, Atari may well be a much better choice than EA or Sony; but many independent game developers have had terrific MMOs pushed off track due to the complications and contractual obligations involved with big distribution companies.

What CCP undoubtedly has going for it is that EVE is an established product with a proven business model and 5 years of success in the market. This will give them a very strong position to partner with Atari from. Hopefully,they can avoid any arrangements that would give outside agencies a say in how the game is developed.

Everyone remembers Star Wars Galaxies.


Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:06:00 - [2]
 

So long as Atari doesn't try to fiddle with CCP's IP, which I don't think is the intention here.

Mordekai Bloodwake
Gallente
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:09:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Diametrix
The live dev blog was exciting. The plans that CCP has for growing EVE sound great.

But I have some considerable trepidation regarding world wide boxed distribution via a large company, in this case Atari.
Don't get me wrong, Atari may well be a much better choice than EA or Sony; but many independent game developers have had terrific MMOs pushed off track due to the complications and contractual obligations involved with big distribution companies.

What CCP undoubtedly has going for it is that EVE is an established product with a proven business model and 5 years of success in the market. This will give them a very strong position to partner with Atari from. Hopefully,they can avoid any arrangements that would give outside agencies a say in how the game is developed.

Everyone remembers Star Wars Galaxies.




Im almost certain the relationship between CCP and Atari will be purely for retail and distribution of future CCP products, which is a good thing considering the long arm reach Atari has in those fields.


Orion GUardian
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:12:00 - [4]
 

I know the Relationship between Blizzard and Atari [wasn't it?] at least made the whole stuff ino a greedy company which can be seen at a Starcraft 2 being split into 3 parts one per campaign...I dont wanbt to pay 150 for 1 game... [because 3*50 it will be most likely]

so I am not sure what impact Atari might have on CCP, getting them mroe greedy? Handy Ringtones for eve costing 1.99 the thingy with Abonemment? *brrr*

Treenara Mazouk
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:15:00 - [5]
 

Here's the cover box for the retail version shown today at fanfest.

And if scroll down on this post, you'll see the video from the head of Atari about the deal.

Enjoy! Wink

Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:17:00 - [6]
 

WAT? Atari bought CCP?! ShockedShockedShocked

Seth Ruin
Minmatar
Ominous Corp
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:17:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mordekai Bloodwake
Im almost certain the relationship between CCP and Atari will be purely for retail and distribution of future CCP products, which is a good thing considering the long arm reach Atari has in those fields.


Personally, that just makes the most business sense. CCP already has their product and infrastructure. They're not looking for a publisher to front them money, but simply to distribute boxes.

For CCP, it's a good deal because they have the potential to reach a lot more players (can't say the number of times I've perused Electronics Boutique's PC game section for anything interesting I haven't tried yet)

For ATARI, it's an easy investment. They simply need to print and package the material and they get their cut with very initial investment.

Sconitta
Caldari
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:26:00 - [8]
 

I like that the box shows a Nyx - too bad the buyers won't know they will have to wait 2+ years to fly one.

Resnik
N.A.G.A Corporation
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:33:00 - [9]
 

Some of us still have that old red box of EVE since 2003 :)

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:36:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Diametrix
Everyone remembers Star Wars Galaxies.

And everyone forgets that CCP owns the rights to distribute its own product however it sees fit. This isn't an acquisition, just an alternative way they're publishing their software. You'll always see the digitally distributed option.

Diametrix
Caldari
Wavefront Industries
Posted - 2008.11.08 19:48:00 - [11]
 

Winterblink,

I wasn't suggesting that there was an aquisition of CCP or any of its Intellectual Properties by Atari.

It is my, admittedly limited, understanding of big box computer game distribution that it often goes something like this:

Game Developer A: "We have this terrific game but we lack the 1) capital, 2)market connections, and 3) complex committed infrastructure necessary to box, reproduce, advertise, negotiate shelf space and marketing deals with retailers worldwide.

Game Distributor B: "We have 1, 2 and 3. We'll provide those for you but understand that we are commiting a large financial investment in the success of this project and as part of our agreement we want to be certain your game will succeed in the markets we're pushing it to."

Game Dev A: "Oh, thanks,it's a great game! Just look at it!" [The big difference here is that EVE is already out with a HUGE subscriber base, proven performance and successful track record, giving CCP terrific bargaining position.]

Game Distrib. B: "Oh hey, this that and the other thing are WRONG w/ your product and if you want us to market it worldwide you have to change them in the game."

Alot of start-up companies faced with this dilemma have to cave in to the big box company if they want the shelf space and market exposure.

I believe CCP's position is different. I just want to point out the concern with such a drastic change in their approach to growing the game we love.

Winterblink
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.11.08 20:29:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Diametrix
Winterblink,

I wasn't suggesting that there was an aquisition of CCP or any of its Intellectual Properties by Atari.

It is my, admittedly limited, understanding of big box computer game distribution that it often goes something like this:

Game Developer A: "We have this terrific game but we lack the 1) capital, 2)market connections, and 3) complex committed infrastructure necessary to box, reproduce, advertise, negotiate shelf space and marketing deals with retailers worldwide.

Game Distributor B: "We have 1, 2 and 3. We'll provide those for you but understand that we are commiting a large financial investment in the success of this project and as part of our agreement we want to be certain your game will succeed in the markets we're pushing it to."

Game Dev A: "Oh, thanks,it's a great game! Just look at it!" [The big difference here is that EVE is already out with a HUGE subscriber base, proven performance and successful track record, giving CCP terrific bargaining position.]

Game Distrib. B: "Oh hey, this that and the other thing are WRONG w/ your product and if you want us to market it worldwide you have to change them in the game."

Alot of start-up companies faced with this dilemma have to cave in to the big box company if they want the shelf space and market exposure.

I believe CCP's position is different. I just want to point out the concern with such a drastic change in their approach to growing the game we love.

It's definitely a change, but in the case of what you're talking about above, that's more of a conventional publishing deal. In those cases, publishers dump money into developers, thus have a huge investment in the final product (and then tend to try to strongarm said developer on various points as you suggest). I highly doubt that's the case here, is all I'm saying.

Avernus
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2008.11.08 20:42:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Resnik
Some of us still have that old red box of EVE since 2003 :)

Still have mine sitting on my computer desk... dunno why, it's just never been moved elsewhere.

p0pup7arge7
Shooting Gallery
Posted - 2008.11.08 20:43:00 - [14]
 

As long as Atari doesn't screw with game development or take devs, etc...

Leandro Salazar
Quam Singulari
Posted - 2008.11.08 20:52:00 - [15]
 

Personally I wouldn't touch Atari, fka as Infogrames, with a stick and since the MoO3 disaster have made sure to never buy a game again they had their filthy fingers in.

But as long as they don't have anything to do with actual game development, I guess I can live with it.

Azuse
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.11.08 20:59:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Resnik
Some of us still have that old red box of EVE since 2003 :)


It's still sitting in the stack on my desk to this day Laughing, although it was crucial that did the distribution back then. Actually the old boxed copys are still worth buying if you see them for 2/3 quid, the gtc in them still work ugh

Sniper Wolf18
Gallente
A Pretty Pony Princess
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2008.11.08 21:37:00 - [17]
 

Hey guys, i designed a case too!


Whatcha Think?


LaughingLaughingLaughing

Aokie
Gallente
Imminent Ruin
Posted - 2008.11.08 21:42:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Resnik
Some of us still have that old red box of EVE since 2003 :)


Yup, sitting proudly on my shelf. :)


Treenara Mazouk
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Firmus Ixion
Posted - 2008.11.10 15:20:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Diametrix
Winterblink,

I wasn't suggesting that there was an aquisition of CCP or any of its Intellectual Properties by Atari.

It is my, admittedly limited, understanding of big box computer game distribution that it often goes something like this:

Game Developer A: "We have this terrific game but we lack the 1) capital, 2)market connections, and 3) complex committed infrastructure necessary to box, reproduce, advertise, negotiate shelf space and marketing deals with retailers worldwide.

Game Distributor B: "We have 1, 2 and 3. We'll provide those for you but understand that we are commiting a large financial investment in the success of this project and as part of our agreement we want to be certain your game will succeed in the markets we're pushing it to."

Game Dev A: "Oh, thanks,it's a great game! Just look at it!" [The big difference here is that EVE is already out with a HUGE subscriber base, proven performance and successful track record, giving CCP terrific bargaining position.]

Game Distrib. B: "Oh hey, this that and the other thing are WRONG w/ your product and if you want us to market it worldwide you have to change them in the game."

Alot of start-up companies faced with this dilemma have to cave in to the big box company if they want the shelf space and market exposure.

I believe CCP's position is different. I just want to point out the concern with such a drastic change in their approach to growing the game we love.

It's definitely a change, but in the case of what you're talking about above, that's more of a conventional publishing deal. In those cases, publishers dump money into developers, thus have a huge investment in the final product (and then tend to try to strongarm said developer on various points as you suggest). I highly doubt that's the case here, is all I'm saying.

It's a win-win situation. CCP gets to tap into Atari distribution network, and Atari get to (re)launch a successful and well established MMO. It's a way of bringing new players that would not normally use the digital download model.

Titus Vulso
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.11.10 15:22:00 - [20]
 

CCP will be the end of Atari.

Demeterus
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.10 15:28:00 - [21]
 

As an old Commodore Amiga user (and C64 woot!) my nose wrinkles at the choice of partners in this venture.

And yes, those Commodore boxes being peddled is sacrilege! :P

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.11.10 16:11:00 - [22]
 

Wow that box is awesome.

Any aspiring newblet can fly any of those ships on the cover after about 1 year (Moros, Phoenix, Nyx, etc).

brinelan
Caldari
Posted - 2008.11.10 16:19:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Hey guys, i designed a case too!


Whatcha Think?


LaughingLaughingLaughing


Laughing

Dathremar
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2008.11.10 16:36:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Wow that box is awesome.

Any aspiring newblet can fly any of those ships on the cover after about 1 year (Moros, Phoenix, Nyx, etc).


Was going to say the same thing. Why not have a cover with Battlecruisers/Battleships and frigates? It would still look epic and the ships on the box would be ships that a newbie can fly within a few weeks/month. I've been playing the game a year and I still don't have a capital yet ugh

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.11.10 16:40:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Dathremar
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Wow that box is awesome.

Any aspiring newblet can fly any of those ships on the cover after about 1 year (Moros, Phoenix, Nyx, etc).


Was going to say the same thing. Why not have a cover with Battlecruisers/Battleships and frigates? It would still look epic and the ships on the box would be ships that a newbie can fly within a few weeks/month. I've been playing the game a year and I still don't have a capital yet ugh



Who would want to fly a capital? I guess a carrier would be damb useful to haul my menagerie of ships about, but why all the angst over a glorified hauler?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.10 17:05:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Sniper Wolf18
Hey guys, i designed a case too!


Whatcha Think?


LaughingLaughingLaughing


Every time you post, i lose a handful of braincells, please stop posting.

Veldya
Guristari Freedom Fighters
Posted - 2008.11.10 17:10:00 - [27]
 

Does this mean we will get a pop-up space invaders game in combat ships and asteroids in mining ships? :P

No'akai
Minmatar
House Aratus
Posted - 2008.11.20 21:16:00 - [28]
 

Meh... I don't like the sound of this... I don't like Atari in general (remember remember, ET)

Anyhow, will this mean that the expansions will cost money?

Karille
Gallente
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Posted - 2008.11.20 21:21:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Karille on 20/11/2008 21:21:43
I'm just having a bit of a laugh about the 12+ rating.

Originally by: No'akai
Anyhow, will this mean that the expansions will cost money?


No, they just want to get the game onto shelves so more people know about it.


Pesky LaRue
Brotherhood Of Fallen Angels
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.20 21:21:00 - [30]
 

i believe that they will just distribute the box set, they're not taking over as publisher.

Originally by: No'akai
Anyhow, will this mean that the expansions will cost money?


Devs said no - the expansions will remain free, this is just a way of giving new players everything in one go. it's a pretty common way of MMOG's milking money from people who are unwilling to buy an older game and then have to pay for each expansion (not the case here, of course)


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